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Post by josedominguez on May 31, 2009 9:57:57 GMT -9
Me again, I wanted quick and easy ruins and wasteland scenery for MDRG using textures that would match my bases. I've started on a set that's edged with grass as we play on a static grass matt. But this can easily be altered for any printable texture. I'll be making the first batch with the green base tab. The base tab overlaps on the inside wall to give a bit of rigidity. That means you only need one of the black tabs. Cut the other one of when you decide which way the wall is going to fold (wanted poster in or out). I'll be making a range of low walls and some two story ruins (Mordheim style!). All part of my mutant wasteland stuff, I wanted scenery and figs that all looked unified Just an example for now, I'll be putting up the first PDF later in the week. (some of the cut lines need realigning).
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Post by onemonkeybeau on May 31, 2009 16:03:58 GMT -9
Great stuff Jose!
Looking forward to more scenery from you!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by Floyd on May 31, 2009 18:05:58 GMT -9
:Thumbs up: Can we get a couple more wall & debris parts, please? How about adding some more grit and dirt to that wall and roughen and tatter that poster! Seriously, good start to some MDRG terrain. I've been thinking about what would make for some interesting themes that haven't been done yet, or done adequately in paper terrain for the post-apocalyptic setting. Truthfully, there isn't much 28mm stuff(in paper). Yes there is the Platform Command series from WWG and the Helworks 2:Cathedrea Noctis. Or the closer fit but harder to find small set for the Rezolution skirmish game. The only one that comes to mind as even close to something along these lines is Microtactix:Industrial Station Wreckage (and it is free). So really, this niche sub-genre of NearFuture scifi is wide open. You know, stuff like this would be great: Beneath the Planet of the apes and this one has some cool building ideas that no ones done. And it could be done with either WWG:Mayhem sets or Microtactix:Twilight City sets. Or this lovely and evocative piece... which could be made by some creative kitbashing of WWG:Mayhem Downtown and Hinterlands sets. Here is a page full of inspiration. ~F
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Post by stevelortz on May 31, 2009 19:07:09 GMT -9
I've had dreams that were set in places that look like some of those post-apocalyptic vistas you linked to, Floyd. Interesting, indeed!
Have fun! Steve
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Post by josedominguez on Jun 1, 2009 10:15:12 GMT -9
:Thumbs up: Can we get a couple more wall & debris parts, please? How about adding some more grit and dirt to that wall and roughen and tatter that poster! Seriously, good start to some MDRG terrain. I've been thinking about what would make for some interesting themes that haven't been done yet, or done adequately in paper terrain for the post-apocalyptic setting. Truthfully, there isn't much 28mm stuff(in paper). Yes there is the Platform Command series from WWG and the Helworks 2:Cathedrea Noctis. Or the closer fit but harder to find small set for the Rezolution skirmish game. The only one that comes to mind as even close to something along these lines is Microtactix:Industrial Station Wreckage (and it is free). So really, this niche sub-genre of NearFuture scifi is wide open. You know, stuff like this would be great: Beneath the Planet of the apes and this one has some cool building ideas that no ones done. And it could be done with either WWG:Mayhem sets or Microtactix:Twilight City sets. Or this lovely and evocative piece... which could be made by some creative kitbashing of WWG:Mayhem Downtown and Hinterlands sets. Here is a page full of inspiration. ~F I'm setting up templates for eveything at the moment, that way I can quickly produce models with any texture I can get hold of. Also learning my way around paintshop. I'm looking at ways to make the walls look battered at the moment , bullet holes, claw marks and a more gritty surface. I've put that wall together, holds up well and stays flat without an extra base. Working on a range of walls and some more substantial ruins at the moment. Need them for my technomancer photos!
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Post by emergencyoverride on Jun 1, 2009 11:36:18 GMT -9
Also look at glenns stuff over at Finger and toe, The slagtown sets are what I use for this. Anyway, Great start man! ;D
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Post by magpiestear on Jun 1, 2009 12:41:01 GMT -9
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Post by Aestelon on Jun 1, 2009 13:01:53 GMT -9
Why didn't you use your affiliates link, Mag? I'll also throw in another recommendation for the Slagtown stuff, as well as the Sci-Blocks (check my Genethief and Springer threads for pics).
But yeah, nice bit of wall, Jose. I think a bit more texture would be nice, though, as Floyd suggested.
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Jun 1, 2009 13:37:24 GMT -9
Is that a thumbprint in the lower left quadrant? onemonkeybeau
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Post by tugunmojo on Jun 1, 2009 14:25:13 GMT -9
I've got the Concrete Wastelands set and have built several pieces for some the the MDRG games I've ran. It looks good (I really like the bare concrete look, reminds me a bit of Fallout 3), but here is not as much variety as you initally think--repeats on the shapes of the ruins.
A word of caution: as you build, make sure that you are paying close attention to the "top" piece that you put in. If you are not level, it will pull your model one way or the other, causing a "leaning" wall. I'll try to post some pics in the next day or two to show you what I mean. Also, they did not go together as quickly as I thought they would. One idea I had was to cut out the shape of a wall on foamboard, glue the "top"of the wall and then glue on the "sides." I might give it a shot after I get back from my vacation in a couple of weeks.
Still, I think the set is worth the money, especially if you really don't have anything like it--definitely a good starter set. However, if you're a good kitbasher, it might be better to just use some of WWGs Mayhem sets and cut out your own ruins--more variety, though they don't have bare concrete . . .
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Post by Floyd on Jun 1, 2009 16:49:17 GMT -9
Yeah I guess Slagtown is as close to post apocalyptic a terrain set that is currently available. I wish there were some better shots available of the set in action. I have Fnt's : SciFi blocks they are cool. But I still don't think the rest qualify as Post Apocalyptic without kitbashing them. Aside from the aforementioned Microtactix set. I checked out that Concrete Wastelands set. I almost bought it.I really liked the idea. But I sw how the fold tabs were designed and though... why of why did they go that route and make it 2x as hard for people to fold and glue. For me, I prefer what (I think) Topo calls Coffin Lid fold designs. In other words the tabs should have been part of the walls, and you glue the top on like and end cap...not have to glue the sides and fit them in like a puzzle. To me, it's a slower, more cumbersome way to design. Which is too bad. I do have their APC. It's kind of cool. But suffers from some bad engineering or for thought when making things into a paper model.
I'll kitbash some WWG sets when, if I need something like walls. Probably just use Foam core and glue on some texture work.
~F
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Jun 1, 2009 17:34:26 GMT -9
I think I've come full circle on the idea of walls when it comes to paper models...
I started out using 2D walls, got enchanted by the 3Dness of WWG, but have discovered that 2D walls are best for me.
1. They don't take up a lot of storage space 2. They are quick to build 3. Look great on tiles
onemonkeybeau
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Post by Floyd on Jun 1, 2009 17:53:53 GMT -9
I think I've come full circle on the idea of walls when it comes to paper models... I started out using 2D walls, got enchanted by the 3Dness of WWG, but have discovered that 2D walls are best for me. 1. They don't take up a lot of storage space 2. They are quick to build 3. Look great on tiles onemonkeybeau Agree'd over the years I am swayed that way as well. The things I don't like about 2d flat walls: Warping Lack of thickness But I'll live with that for ease of storage and portability. ~F
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Post by josedominguez on Jun 2, 2009 0:51:39 GMT -9
I looked at that originally, they are really good, but would take too long to put together.....If I was doing full 3D I'd just use foamcore with a painted edge. I wanted something that would be quicker to assemble, that way I could have multiple sets with different textures to match themed games. Still working on it though. Definately need to be grittier and more 'wasteland' though
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Post by magpiestear on Jun 5, 2009 5:19:23 GMT -9
Why didn't you use your affiliates link, Mag? What's that?
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Post by josedominguez on Jun 6, 2009 9:19:18 GMT -9
another try
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Post by josedominguez on Jun 6, 2009 9:23:16 GMT -9
Is that a thumbprint in the lower left quadrant? onemonkeybeau Nah, it's a big smudge of 'burn' when I put my pen down
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Post by Floyd on Jun 6, 2009 17:22:56 GMT -9
Hey hope you don't mind I tried my hand at making a crumbling cement wall using your original template above. I added some bullet chips, explosion pock marks and some environmental decay to your stone wall and wanted poster. Oh added some blood, and weeds.... and a stone like texturing to the basic shape. roughed up the edges a little...though they don't have to be cut that way. This was all done in Photoshop. I did download some free brushes off the net (especially for the grass... feeling lazy and a bit burnt out today~I lost and hour worth of design work do to computer lock up today.... fizzle...fizzle. I am anal retentive about saving every 10minutes...but I really got caught up in one of the Terra Force Auxilary units... sigh). ~F ps. Keep posting more...we need lots of post-apoc scenery!
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Post by Dagger on Jun 6, 2009 19:02:20 GMT -9
Good work adding those details Floyd... I like it...
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Jun 6, 2009 21:18:06 GMT -9
Yeah Floyd,
I really like what you've done too.
onemonkeybeau
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Post by josedominguez on Jun 6, 2009 22:28:06 GMT -9
I've tried cap'n I just cannae do it! Floyd, it looks great, that's exactly what I'm picturing when I start, I just can't get there.... If I create the basic terrain elements would you be interested in doing your magic on them? I'll add the rough stone outline though I could even do these as outline only........ that way they can be worked up in any package a lot more easily. (and I can practice without mucking stuff up). plain corner two story ruin...... the first image is one side of the wall, the second is the 'floor' for upstairs..... just fold the tabs and glue either side. I've got the basics for loads of walls, two story ruins and even some shanty town stuff using ruins as the foundation with salvaged metal for the roofs. I just don't have the photo shop skills to fully realise them yet (also, I'm using paintshop ) I'll leave off the detail work until I'm better at it!
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