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Post by Tommygun on Jan 14, 2011 1:18:07 GMT -7
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Post by Satrek on Jan 14, 2011 3:15:39 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing. Just what I need, more weird ideas... ;D
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 14, 2011 6:31:49 GMT -7
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout!!  There is a 40K tourney next weekend... I would LOVE to walk in and put these on the table! It would be fun to see how many pieces I could set out before someone would be like, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT IS THAT?!"  Life is too fun when you have fun living! I LOVE these pieces... Will have to put it on my list of things to build before I die... ;D |
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 14, 2011 15:36:47 GMT -7
Good night!!! That's an awful lot of stuff. I see some things there from websites that are down, but he has the files.
I think a person could devote a year to building stuff from there and still not make a dent.
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Post by Tommygun on Jan 14, 2011 23:01:22 GMT -7
There is a lot of stuff on that site.
I just notice today there is also Eldar 2D Flats in the same style as the Marines.
There could be more in the SciFi area.
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Post by glennwilliams on Jan 18, 2011 11:35:05 GMT -7
Very well done, but where's the cease and desist letter? I'm uncomfortable with actually copying their stuff--not because I'm a Games Workshop fan (so NOT), but because I'm a designer and publisher and wouldn't want to see my stuff ripped off.
(The Forge World Phaeton Base and Imperial Fortress walls were what got me started because of their "sell your home to buy a model" pricing.)
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 18, 2011 18:04:59 GMT -7
Wow, Glenn, when you put it like that...  Ok, I am not so anxious to make these miniatures now...  Thanks for being the voice of reason and my conscious, Glenn.  |
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Post by Tommygun on Jan 18, 2011 20:41:05 GMT -7
Well, I have put about 10 grand into 40k over the years, so I don't need the paper stuff myself.
I need a spare room just to store it.
I think there is some gray area on this. I have built several GW models completely from scratch out of plastic.
I'm sure corporate lawyers at GW wouldn't want me doing that.
Making plastic copies of GW's models is a very common thing over at Warseer.
Even a few paper tanks there too.
Making cast of minis and giving them away would be wrong, but if you are recoloring photos you took yourself, I'm not sure.
Although if these are GW's own photographs, then that's another matter too.
It is something to think about. At what point do you draw the line.
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Post by josedominguez on Jan 19, 2011 11:56:34 GMT -7
Here's a dilemma. I drew this.... copied from a figure I own, but I definately took someone else's idea. I drew it by hand, then I coloured it. Where do we stand with that?  |
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Post by glennwilliams on Jan 19, 2011 14:19:01 GMT -7
If you copy a Games Workshop vehicle, develop the UV maps, unfold the model and print the pdf and put it on your table, who the heck cares?
Let me add another wrinkle. I helped write my college's IP policy (the college had tried to assert ownership of anything saved to a hard drive until we pointed out that a former dean had downloaded child porn). We were reeeaaallly careful about "fair use." which is a big deal in academia (every semester I changed the poems of living poets--Emily Dickinson's OK). So, I have double reasons to get nervous.
For my own conscience in commercial products, I try to stay away from the" look and feel" (to quote the Lotus 123 lawsuit). Games Workshop has a great bombard and I love the excessively big-barrled thingie they put on a Rhino (can't remember, don't care), so how would I create them? For my preliminary sketches I went to WWII and the German Thor, the sturmtiger, as well as the ISU-152. Eventually they'll lead me to a design I like and that I'm comfortable is mine.
Had I done Jose's figure, I'd ask myself a series of questions: how much is mine, am I marketing it, am I making money off it? But notice that he said he had modified it, the original exemplars we started with weren't modified--they were blatant copies, not even an attempt at "NOT"-space marine. These are all personal, ethical issues to think about, not hard fast rules. I'm uncomfortable, while others might not be.
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Post by josedominguez on Jan 20, 2011 11:18:27 GMT -7
Mine is a drawing of a figure..... straight from the real thing. I used it in a Mordheim campaign because I just don't have the time to paint figures, I drew minis for every character, most were drawn from GW minis. Obviously I wouldn't market them, in fact I'm not even comfortable sharing them, but where is the line?
I drew things for my own use, I'm comfortable with that in any form.
I've been thinking about creating something along the lines of a multipart printable space marine type figure, maybe go for something cartoony. A usefuly proxy rather than a direct copy.
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Post by okumarts on Jan 20, 2011 16:34:46 GMT -7
If you are using them for your own use, go for it!
I made Dalek toys when I was a kid because you couldn't buy them here in the 70s and my parents couldn't afford to have them shipped from the UK. I loved those toys!
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Post by hackbarth on Jan 24, 2011 11:40:21 GMT -7
I think the most important thing is DON'T LET IP LAWS GET IN THE WAY!
Copy, Draw over pictures, Make an army from one mini. Field your army against your friends. As long you use them for personal uses that is ok.
Worry with IP if you market these minis. Everyone started copying. Even the big names. And is important to begin somewhere. If you like WH40K, make WH40K minis. Games Workshop lawyers won't get in your house and burn the minis (well, not yet...)
Many designers have lines of minis that are very loose with IPs. Didn't early GW minis where also "heavily inspired" by other works?
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Post by glennwilliams on Jan 24, 2011 11:51:43 GMT -7
I think the most important thing is DON'T LET IP LAWS GET IN THE WAY! Copy, Draw over pictures, Make an army from one mini. Field your army against your friends. As long you use them for personal uses that is ok. Worry with IP if you market these minis. Everyone started copying. Even the big names. And is important to begin somewhere. If you like WH40K, make WH40K minis. Games Workshop lawyers won't get in your house and burn the minis (well, not yet...) Many designers have lines of minis that are very loose with IPs. Didn't early GW minis where also "heavily inspired" by other works? Hear, hear--just respect the author's IP. |
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