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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:04:58 GMT -9
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:05:52 GMT -9
Lizardman Attachments:
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:06:24 GMT -9
Mummy Attachments:
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:07:13 GMT -9
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:08:29 GMT -9
Tengu Attachments:
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:09:02 GMT -9
Zombie Attachments:
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:09:32 GMT -9
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:09:56 GMT -9
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Post by eddnic on Aug 5, 2011 20:10:31 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 6, 2011 8:56:13 GMT -9
Holy Moley!!! I like how you ran with this. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And thanks to cowboyleland for the concept.
These are wonderful.
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Post by paladin on Aug 6, 2011 9:31:57 GMT -9
... Every time I see your minis, Eddnic, I wonder, if flat 2D has any future. Brilliant concept by Cowboy, brilliant textures and execution by yourself. I am torn. 2D, 2.5D, 3D !?!? Which route to take ? Storage problems !? I guess, those minis are taking not (much) more time to assemble than traditional flat 2D ones !? I will try for myself ... . Thanks alot for your ubergenerous sharing, Eddnic ! If you keep this pace, you will have 2.5Dfied "the" Monster Manuals in 5 to 10 years ;D.
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Post by cowboyleland on Aug 7, 2011 18:21:13 GMT -9
Wow, really nice work! My head has swelled quite a bit already so I think it is time to stop giving me so much credit. This kind of 2.5 fig belongs to the world now, and Eddnic is reigning master. I love the lizard man! And the zombie has a better top of the head than any of my "human" figs had. paladin: I find "building" these figs takes a little time, but if you think of it as a "fast and easy 3d", it feels a lot better than a "complicated 2d."
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 8, 2011 4:27:56 GMT -9
Time is still a lot less than painting metal or plastic
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Post by paladin on Aug 8, 2011 7:31:44 GMT -9
@cowboy and @vermin King, those are two motivation mantras I should remember for the future. Thanks. I wonder myself from a production and flexibility standpoint. 2D minis are lacking dimension, but are very easy to "individualize", cause of the endless posing possibilities. What you draw, is what you get. 2.5D minis are unbeatable in the dimensionality/time-tradeoff, but are much harder to wrap your head around as a designer (and consumer/customer). Different poses are possible though - and would be much interesting to explore. You could always give arms and legs different bendings. And if you manage to turn heads and upper bodies or pose the feet in different fighting stances, well, lots of potential here ... .
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Post by cowboyleland on Aug 8, 2011 17:55:53 GMT -9
You are right Paladin. I have been trying to challenge myself to find more dynamic poses for 2.5d figs. I also need to work on my texturing in general, an area that Eddnic obviously already excels in.
I have tried a turned head pose, but the figure had other issues and I did not finish her.
As for storage: I flatten my 2.5d mini's out and slip them into envelopes. It is hard to imagine more efficient storage than that.
I have been using "poster putty" (z.B. UHU tac) to stick them to clear plastic bases, but I really think "built in" bases are the way to go. Experimentation continues!
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Post by paladin on Aug 9, 2011 4:20:56 GMT -9
Interesting stuff, cowboyleland. So your 2.5D minis are not fix-glued !? (Eddnic's seem to be.) I have seen your "instant pop-up" design. This would be the most efficient technique for "here-we-go"-kind-of-people with the flattening-possibility built-in (?). You should explore this concept further. There could be very simple solutions for the head and body "twists". Like folding or slots. But you will lose alot of folks, if it's too tiny/fiddly/complicated. I would always put my minis into base slots - not fixed. Kork is a nice (luxury) material for that - as Gilius demonstrated. I have also thought of large post stamp collector books with those little paper pockets to put the minis in. You could label and sort your mini collection, put them out and in with a tweezer ;D. Sometimes I am very anal retentive, you know ... . Don't worry about your textures. There are simple tricks to enhance the look significantly. Learn some basic shading/highlighting skills (choose one color, apply it, darken it, paint in the shadows with opacity 60%, lighten it, paint in some highlights with opacity 20% etc.). Use lots of photo textures, materials, structures. Learn to blend/mix/filter/color them in GIMP - there you are. Eddnic's textures are splendid - with the help of other artists, as he admitted once. This could be a risky route in the long run (or even short run ... if some artists get whized ). Not recommended, if you wanna go down the biz or publicity road. Copyright checking (even for photos) is a must then. This is also an issue for trademarked names and concepts/designs. Not very wise move to publish a "Warhammer Paper" line. And the "Beholder" mini in one of the past Hoards is strictly "forbidden" by WotC's OGL. Though I think, WotC has other, really serious problems right now ;D. There is a reason behind, why Jim, Okum or Dave (and others) are doing everything from scratch. No one can spit in their soup legally (well, there are other nasty internet crime possibilities, of course. Designers have been legally charged for ripping-off their OWN design - accused by the design-thieves ! No joke ... .).
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Post by Floyd on Aug 9, 2011 5:10:20 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 9, 2011 7:14:01 GMT -9
I guess posting on several blogs finally got their attention.
Congrats!!!
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Post by eddnic on Aug 10, 2011 17:29:39 GMT -9
Thanks for you guys for the kind support!
Although I have been making 3d and 2.5d models, I am actually a great fan of 2d models. The advantages of 2d are many - they are easy and quick to make, easy to store and look great on the table.
I still remember the shock I have when I found that minis from OneMonk, which can be built in several minutes, look much better than my pewter and plastic minis that took me hours to paint!
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 10, 2011 18:18:13 GMT -9
With your attention to detail, I imagine your painted figures were really good.
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Post by Steve Castro on Sept 19, 2011 8:59:42 GMT -9
Thanks a ton for making these 2.5D figures. They are my favorite so far and I was super excited when I saw yours for the first time and once I put one of your models together myself.
The 2D stuff is cool but from a player's natural top-down view it's a bit underwhelming. I thought 3D would be too complicated or too big, but your stuff has blown me away in its ability to be easily made and just the right scale. When mounted on black foamcore, I feel like I've made my own D&D mini!
I would love to see a full original game made with nothing but this style of minis. Maybe something with stats printed right on the base or even on the mini (like maybe attack value icon as a belt buckle or something). I'm a game designer myself (video games mostly) so I've been bouncing around miniature rulesets in my mind for a while now. Hopefully I'll come up with something at some point.
I will keep looking out for your work in the future!
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Post by eddnic on Sept 19, 2011 22:02:28 GMT -9
;D It is great to know that you like my models! I will surely continue to make more - more will be in 2.5d as they are easier to build. But for large models (e.g. dragons, giants), I still prefer 3d.
If a game system could be built in with the models, WOW! that would be great news! Maybe the bases could be redesigned to incorporate stats on them? Looking forward to it....
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Post by afet on Sept 26, 2011 6:19:42 GMT -9
Eddnic, thank you for these. They are lovely.
Would you consider doing a Werewolf?
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 26, 2011 14:56:33 GMT -9
Hey Afet, I'm no Eddnic, but I did a little rescale and recolour on a first draft of a barghast. I'd like to go back and improve it some more, but I thought I'd post it in case you need a werewolf before I finnish the upgrades. Also, I used the "dungeon" base texture, but if you want something else just let me know. werewolf by cowboyleland, on Flickr
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Post by eddnic on Sept 26, 2011 19:23:02 GMT -9
Wow, the barghast is lovely. Please do share it when it is finished. Well, actually I am also working on two models for submitting to this month's hoard - one beastman and one werewolf. After test-building them, I found that the beastman is ok but the werewolf is not yet satisfactory. Unfortunately, I still need to photograph them. Anyway, if you are interested, they are available at: www.4shared.com/document/-fauVCfa/beastman_and_werewolf.html
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Post by eddnic on Sept 27, 2011 17:56:29 GMT -9
Here comes the photo for werewolf Attachments:
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Post by eddnic on Sept 27, 2011 17:58:13 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 27, 2011 18:31:05 GMT -9
thanks. BTW ... the werewolf pic is cut off. I tried to download it twice
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 27, 2011 18:35:23 GMT -9
Wow, even with those pictures it took a long time for me to grasp how those babies fit together. If anyone ever "comercialises" this 2.5D style, I think making instructions is going to be the major challenge.
BTW my philosophy on 2.5d is almost the opposite of yours. I keep making what D&D call "medium" because my (and my son's) players really like having a fig "just like I pictured my character" but I really think the collapsible 2.5d really gets it's value on the larger creatures. It is not hard to store goblins and orcs, but dragons and giants, I want to fold flat.
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Post by eddnic on Sept 27, 2011 19:34:03 GMT -9
The picture for werewolf is reloaded: Attachments:
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