Post by Vermin King on Nov 7, 2011 14:50:58 GMT -9
I do believe that you have found the best look for Orcs/Orks. They definitely look Orcish, and yet they don't look like every other Orc out there. Wonderful interpretation. Like Kiladecus said, though, I'd do some Fantasy Orc weaponry and some SciFi Ork weaponry. Now that you have your basic guy fleshed out you can now let your imagination come up with the details.
There are no strangers in this world,only people I haven't embarrassed ... yet!
Here are some of my very early rough sketches. These are definitely a WIP, so don't be too harsh yet, but your input is still welcome. I hope to have at least another 4, for a total of 10 orcs for the first orc set.
Still thinking these are something you would buy, and fill your table top with?
I should not say this, as i'm somewhat involved in the creation process (more or less in the same measure of a single yellow leaf in an autumn panorama), but honestly i think that this set could be even better than the Barbarians, that are right now the Top of Labrat art.
I think if you were to do a couple mirrored/hoizontal flips with a couple poses, and switch out the weapons... and do a couple detail options (like scars, patches over an eye, broken tusks...) and come up with 4 more doing that, then you core units will be done. Just do the backs and color...
After reading this... it might be easier just to draw 4 new figures!
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
I'm a little late to the party I know, but I'll toss my 2 cents in anyway.
First I love these sketches and I will totally buy the set when they are completed.
My real issue is going to be what I use them for. Wargamers probably love the larger than life orcs and want to see them running across the battlefield to crush their foes. Why not. Who would want to play an army full of wimps?
Me, I'm more into RPGs and all of the supper bad-a-mo-fo orcs don't seem to fit with that model. In many RPGs, orcs are fodder, taken down a dozen at a time by a competent hero. Your orcs look like they could dismember someone without a weapon!
I thinks it's why I like the pig faced orcs, they seem oafish enough to be easy targets, but still dangerous if you slap a bunch of them down on the table.
Anyway, I'm not lobbying you to change your design or anything (like I said they look awesome), but when I buy this set they are going to be some nasty tribe of half trolls or some such and I'll still have my players massacring bumbling pig faced orcs!
Thanks sammo for chiming in. I can totally see your point of view on this. It is hard to get the mood just right for both wargamers and RPG'ers. I would say that these orcs were more geared toward the wargamer. In fact I never really thought of it in those terms.
I am definitely going to proceed with this set as is, but I will keep in mind what you have brought up. For now though, this set is just what I'm going for.
One thing that you could try, once I finish the set, is scaling them down so that they don't look quite as imposing to your heroes.
Taking a pause on my part of work on the sketches (literally) i've read sammo reply... it's amazing how each one of us have his envision. I always use Goblins and Cobolds as "cannon fodder", while Orcs are "human sized" enemies that starts to put a real fear. Part 'cause my imaginations is like this, part 'cause D&D3.5 have Half-orcs as playing charachters (so i put human and orcs on the same "level"), part 'cause i play "low level" D&D as i don't like half-gods PCs wandering around a world when they could already rule it
I suppose it shouldn't be a big surprise that we all have different uses for minis, and want different things out of minis sets (I certainly wasn't implying mine was the "right" point of view.
One thing I didn't mention about the sets that have been released lately (mostly Sanity Studios and Okumarts crossing my mind right now) is that although I am going to be using them primarily for RPGs, I really like the war-game style release that gives you a group of minis that are essentially the same (different poses or weapons or colors) so that they can be used whenever you need a bunch of somethings for a battle.
I have tons of metal/plastic minis from my years as a gamer, so when it comes to the one notable orc or NPC I have quite a few options, but when I need 25 of one kind of miniature I have less choices. So whether it's Drew's town folk, Okum's orcs or wood-elves, Sanity's humans (or orcs or dwarves), being able to fill up a table with these awesome looking minis is pretty sweet.
The orcs are coming along. All the pencil work is done and I'm working on the inking.
Once I have all these guys done, I plan to do one more bonus orc. I'm going to film the process start to finish and post a video for all to see the process from the beginning to the finished product. I think that will be a fun little project.
woosh: also, where can i find cool ships and mechs? im looking particularly for any spider tanks or spider mechs. ive seen the site with all the mechwarrior papercrafts and ive made a couple of those but none of them are especially spider-like
Apr 7, 2019 12:38:49 GMT -9
woosh: ebbles sent me here when i asked about his ud41 utility dropship, and that hed seen a mod that had 4 engines, which id like to try
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woosh: i was typing up a thread and it said it was too big. soooo whatever
Apr 7, 2019 12:36:03 GMT -9
Vermin King: Sorry, long day yesterday ...
Apr 7, 2019 4:37:09 GMT -9
woosh: is anyone currently online?
Apr 6, 2019 19:10:30 GMT -9
woosh: hello! i am new. im currently typing up a thread in the 'say hi' forum
Apr 6, 2019 19:09:52 GMT -9
okumarts: ANYONE can do it!
Apr 2, 2019 9:46:48 GMT -9
chiefasaur: Sweet tutorial! Now I know how to make paper minis ;P
Apr 1, 2019 19:15:04 GMT -9
oldschooldm: Yup. More power to anyone who tries it. It will only whet the appetite for people who want paper minis that were designed to be paper minis. :-) Fronts and Backs FOREVER! :-) [... it's bait, don't bite it! ... ]
Mar 25, 2019 8:13:22 GMT -9
cowboyleland: Now I have seen it. It doesn't advance our hobby, but anyone with half a brain who wanted 2nd rate figures could easily figure this out for themselves so I guess he isn't doing any harm.
Mar 19, 2019 17:53:59 GMT -9
berneart76: well, this is fun, (not) transferring all my papercrafting sets into the cloud. The stuff I got from DriveTrhruRPG was simple with their library desktop app,but my other stuff, sometimes with multiple duplicate copies is entertaining.
Mar 1, 2019 15:44:32 GMT -9
berneart76: Vermin King I usually use a mix of drybrush/watercolor/photocopy and occasionally posterizing at different levels of opacity.
Feb 26, 2019 20:46:54 GMT -9
berneart76: Vermin King, that's similar to the enhancing that I do on my texturing. I've found that sometimes I need to scale up or scale down the image (usually by 50 or 25 percent down or 200 or 300 percent up) to make get the enhancements to look "right"
Feb 26, 2019 20:44:53 GMT -9
Vermin King: On the zebras, I did multiple enhancements and cartoon filters and used them at 100%, and they still didn't look that different than the photos
Feb 26, 2019 12:27:26 GMT -9
Vermin King: When I make a figure or terrain piece based on a photo, I clean it up and align things to look 'right', then I create another layer and do enhancing and cartoonizing on it. I then adjust opacity over the photo image until it looks good. On the zebras,
Feb 26, 2019 12:26:35 GMT -9
Vermin King: berneart76, do you mean giving them green or purple manes and tails? and a few piercings? maybe a cig hanging out of their mouths?
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