Post by josedominguez on Dec 1, 2011 10:04:04 GMT -9
Surprised he could work a keyboard to complain if he can't understand the instructions, also, you provide a ton of additional help on your site.
Some people just like to complain.
THe model is complicated and not for everyone, I'd say it's his problem Dave. No problems with it at all this end. I built it over a year ago and was fairly new to the whole thing.... it was the centrepiece for our Mordheim game.
Post by oldschooldm on Dec 1, 2011 10:55:14 GMT -9
Let me start by saying I'm a huge fan, buy lots of your stuff, and can't wait for your church-with-interior project to get resurrected, but you asked for honest feedback about your instructions.
I have not built this model, but I've built more than a few of your other ones. In those cases, I found the instructions unusually terse, as compared to other suppliers [FDG and WWG.] There is definitely the feeling that the model builder has at least some experience with the required techniques and lingua-franca of the craft.
When I was just starting out, it was all very confusing, and I really appreciated step-by-step instructions provided by others, including photographs/illustrations.
Even over DGM's "printed on the same sheet at the pieces" method.
As an example - I built your free Hovel with no problems, but when I next graduated to the Coach House I was initially confused by the valley folds connecting the tall wall to the lower roof. A photo/illustration would have helped.
Honestly, the free guide you are giving out now was the most helpful and amazing thing I've read - it helped with lots of problems.
In short, you're instructions aren't perfect for first time builders - perhaps inserting a pointer to your free guide would help. Or a few images of the trickier parts of a build (valley folds, tab-gluing order, etc.)
Hope you read this in the spirit of support intended...
I agree with Oldschooldm, that your instructions would benefit from step by step instructions with pictures.
Taking your medieval walls as an example, there is a lot of text and white images of the pieces to indicate where to score, but there is little no help by way of images to help the new modeler visualize how to actually assemble the pieces. The patrol boat, as another example, has no images at all, just a wall of instructional text. The Coach house doesn't even have instructional text, just a picture of the finished model.
I love your models, Dave, and as an experience modeler, I haven't had any issues assembling your pieces. But I can see how they would be intimidating to the beginner.
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"As the good Archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself."
- Danilo Thann
Thanks, gang. Honest feedback is vital, and I think the bad review was an honest one. The project might have been above his skill level but I think a detailed set of instructions might have made it completely do-able for him.
Post by Vermin King on Dec 1, 2011 17:57:21 GMT -9
Detailed instructions make ANYTHING do-able.
My most complex model was a car with 18 pieces for each wheel. Excellent instructions made that possible.
Frankly, I'm not that good at building models, but I haven't had any trouble with any of your models. With the perspective I'm gaining here, I am thinking of the friend of mine that we have building sessions with. He would probably be frustrated building anything more complicated than the outpost or garden shed. So, I guess better instructions would be very helpful for the segment of folks who are new to card modeling.
There are no strangers in this world,only people I haven't embarrassed ... yet!
Well, i bought your simplest models by purpose, 'cause i'm so bad at building stuffs, so i don't know how that instructions are (the ones i have are a bit "concise", but i guessed 'cause the simple models).
My very tiny contribution about the "first time builders" (i'm like this from about 20 years ) is that some pieces could have been designed in a less "error-prone" manner (like i said for that "roof part" in another thread), so the paper itself "helps" the builder going "straight"... but this is more OT than not, so i quit
Reading the instructions for the inventor house, I think the problem may be that he isn't aware of the basics of the hobby. Such as waht does it means to score, edge, how do you glue pieces together, etc.
The obvious solution is to make VERY EXPLICIT in your instruction a link to your free Paper Modelling Guide, saying READ THIS FIRST.
Well, there is always the fact that many people here may not speak English well.
I have been building paper models for a couple years, and I haven't had any problems with your models. I have built over 100 models and quite a bit of yours.
What I might suggest, if I understand correctly, is you have created a "How-To" document. Why can't you simply add that to each of your model kits? If it is a PDF, why not just slip it in there?
Finger and Toe and Fat Dragon Games both have a lengthy section of text in their packs that say, "What you need is... and here are some common folds..." Once you establish these "folds" you can say, "Do an accordian fold..." and have that document list it as an "Accordian fold."
Just my 2 cents worth... which generally is worth that much.
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
Yeah, my buddy Jerry Jensen put together a free Paper Modeling Guide that covers the basics of the hobby, and my style of models in particular, and it's included with some of my models. It just wasn't included with the Ruined Church. It is now, of course.
I'm going to look for other ways to draw attention to it. Like, for instance:
Post by theauldgrump on Dec 11, 2011 0:31:30 GMT -9
I just put one together a few weeks ago for a Fallout tabletop game. Seemed pretty straightforward to me, but I also don't remember looking at the instructions. I guess that I have put too many models together to find it confusing.
My only advice to the complainer might be to start with some of the free models, not one that has a dozen or more pieces. Just be glad that he didn't start with the Inventor's House. (Now there is a model that I would like to see the insides of! )
cowboyleland: Now I have seen it. It doesn't advance our hobby, but anyone with half a brain who wanted 2nd rate figures could easily figure this out for themselves so I guess he isn't doing any harm.
Mar 19, 2019 17:53:59 GMT -9
berneart76: well, this is fun, (not) transferring all my papercrafting sets into the cloud. The stuff I got from DriveTrhruRPG was simple with their library desktop app,but my other stuff, sometimes with multiple duplicate copies is entertaining.
Mar 1, 2019 15:44:32 GMT -9
berneart76: Vermin King I usually use a mix of drybrush/watercolor/photocopy and occasionally posterizing at different levels of opacity.
Feb 26, 2019 20:46:54 GMT -9
berneart76: Vermin King, that's similar to the enhancing that I do on my texturing. I've found that sometimes I need to scale up or scale down the image (usually by 50 or 25 percent down or 200 or 300 percent up) to make get the enhancements to look "right"
Feb 26, 2019 20:44:53 GMT -9
Vermin King: On the zebras, I did multiple enhancements and cartoon filters and used them at 100%, and they still didn't look that different than the photos
Feb 26, 2019 12:27:26 GMT -9
Vermin King: When I make a figure or terrain piece based on a photo, I clean it up and align things to look 'right', then I create another layer and do enhancing and cartoonizing on it. I then adjust opacity over the photo image until it looks good. On the zebras,
Feb 26, 2019 12:26:35 GMT -9
Vermin King: berneart76, do you mean giving them green or purple manes and tails? and a few piercings? maybe a cig hanging out of their mouths?
Feb 26, 2019 12:24:18 GMT -9
Vermin King: cartoonizing a zebra doesn't do much
Feb 20, 2019 5:59:28 GMT -9
Vermin King: And due to the snow, I'm off tonight. I am going to miss the cash on the paycheck, but I'm glad they want their employees to be safe
Feb 15, 2019 10:52:24 GMT -9
ignatious: Actually I was referring to the two previous posts. I was trying to be subtle in order to sublimate the crassness. Read them again, but in Mel Brooks voice while he is winking, and nudging the person to his right.
Feb 9, 2019 13:38:11 GMT -9
Vermin King: Sure. Euphemize us
Feb 8, 2019 18:40:48 GMT -9
ignatious: would anyone care for a euphemism?
Feb 8, 2019 13:40:27 GMT -9
cowboyleland: We hadn't had snow for a few days. Last night the plow came down my street and did nothing but fill every ones driveways back in. Just for practice, I guess.
Feb 8, 2019 7:48:16 GMT -9
Vermin King: In KC we had an ice storm (with thunder sleet) the other night. Left things drivable, but last night the plow came down my street. They took all the rough edges off. Might as well have ran a Zamboni...
Feb 8, 2019 6:42:32 GMT -9
okumarts: Vermin King... Mind Blown!
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