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Post by hackbarth on Jan 19, 2012 17:50:02 GMT -7
It seems the FBI closed, seized the servers and arrested the developers responsible for the Megaupload sites. Apparently without due process.
Now, I know many papercrafts I downloaded where hosted by their creators (I'm not worried with the pirated files, the pirates will move elsewhere, as always...) from this kind of service. Is there anything we can do to prevent that all this material vanishes from the Internet in the blink of an eye?
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 19, 2012 18:30:07 GMT -7
I'm not sure how the site can keep all the pirates off of it ...
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Post by glennwilliams on Jan 19, 2012 18:40:03 GMT -7
One way is by customers telling them. We have some responsibility as well. That said, I know that I inadvertently approve spammers for my forum and discover when I wake up and go into my studio that they're not gamers with weird names. That said, no one should ever be deprived of property without due process of law. So, unless they had been warned previously (and not by the FBI having a news conference in Devils Lake, ND carried on QVC), I see some law suit action in their future. I'm not the litigious sort, but they need a rabid dog lawyer stat.
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Post by hackbarth on Jan 19, 2012 18:42:21 GMT -7
No amount of policing can stop piracy.
The idea that some software or law can stop piracy is harmful to the economy and technological progress. More money and political willpower is wasted keeping afloat outdated and flawed business models than is spent in furthering the development of new technology and products.
Anyway I was hoping to be more practical than discussing the shortsightness of the DOJ, FBI and MPAA/RIAA... What about papercraft that was hosted in such services by the authors? How we can salvage that and maybe be more Internet blackout-ready?
(HEHEHE, I wrote pratical and the auto-correct suggested piratical before practical... :-)
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Post by josedominguez on Jan 20, 2012 4:13:40 GMT -7
We need a central resource where free material can only be uploaded if approved by the author..... a papercraft file store with moderators who check. It could start small  |
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Post by hackbarth on Jan 20, 2012 7:06:36 GMT -7
We need a central resource where free material can only be uploaded if approved by the author..... a papercraft file store with moderators who check. It could start small There are some problems with this approach. First: central resource, this is a single point of failure. If a bill like SOPA passes and someone, anyone, disputes the legality of material hosted in this central resource, all the site is taken off the net without process (yes, I'm assuming an Orwellian progress of the situation in this case, but assuming the worse is good in failure prevenction) Second: only be uploaded if approved by the author, this is difficult to do, and we know that many works are orphanated by the authors (in some sad cases, literally orphanated...) we need a system that is creator input independent. Third: with moderators who check, this could add some overhead to proccess, but I see that maybe moderators are necessary. It could start small. Yes it could! What I propose immediately: That each of our (free) creations comes with a consent to copy, distribute and host the files any way the users see fit, visible in all images/pages/files. So we begin the drive to distribute the hosting costs, promove redundancy and allow fellow paper hobbyist to put back online the content in our absence, in case we can't/won't/don'tcare anymore. |
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Post by paladin on Jan 20, 2012 7:39:21 GMT -7
 ...  Damn, that's nasty and direct action from US officials. Is this in preparation/combination of SOPA or still independent? Looks like a long prepared and orchestrated strategy to me ... . Wish I could help, but I am not good at those technical problems ... . EDIT: reading the news and being German, I have to say, that this is no fun at all - and reminds me of the same procedures to kidnap people 'under suspicion of terrorism' in COOPERATION of US and German Officials of Justice and State Police without trial, national protection of law and personal id or sufficient civil procedures of justice. The German New- and Post-Economy Guru and owner of megaupload Kim Schmitz and his (mostly German) business partners seem to be catched by FBI in New Zealand to be accused in front of US courts for 'conspiracy to form organized criminality' (that could translate to 20 years of prison). That's a war going on right now - industry/politics versus web. I wonder, that Germany is silent. Kim Schmitz is still a German citizen - kidnapped by FBI with the help of German officials. Wtf.
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Post by mesper on Jan 20, 2012 9:39:37 GMT -7
Well - this action is in SOPA shadow, but soon (next thursday?) ACTA will be introduced in EU...
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Post by paladin on Jan 20, 2012 9:55:24 GMT -7
ACTA!? What's that? mesper, I am under/desinformed. Have to dig this ... . I knew, this smells like concerted action ... . Thanks for your hint, mesper.
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Post by Rhannon on Jan 20, 2012 10:36:11 GMT -7
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Post by paladin on Jan 20, 2012 12:17:20 GMT -7
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Post by Parduz on Jan 20, 2012 12:34:54 GMT -7
... we need a system that is creator input independent... What I propose immediately: That each of our (free) creations comes with a consent to copy, distribute and host the files any way the users see fit, visible in all images/pages/files. So we begin the drive to distribute the hosting costs, promove redundancy and allow fellow paper hobbyist to put back online the content in our absence, in case we can't/won't/don'tcare anymore. As far as i know, this is exactly the "Creative Commons" license purpose. All of our artists should read all that things carefully, choose the "grade of freedom" they like and put the appropriate license logo on their creations. |
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Post by dagobahdave on Jan 20, 2012 13:36:12 GMT -7
MegaUpload has a process for reporting copyright violations and I used it repeatedly over three years to get some of my pirated stuff removed. They never responded to my requests and never took action. Make of that what you will.
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Post by paladin on Jan 20, 2012 14:08:18 GMT -7
@dave, I am not speaking in support of copyright infringement. I hate seeing artists' (always the first, I mean: the first swallowed in the food-chain anyway) work getting plundered and ripped, destroying jobs and incomes. I am a bit shocked though, that the international 'law' is far beyond - and you must not wonder, if your laptop or phone is searched by border or airport control in the future. SOPA and ACTA will have far-reaching consequences, they are designed to have these - maybe even for this forum, who knows ... . Kim Schmitz, btw, is one of the well known, traditional Cyber and Digital Criminals of Germany since 1993. He was lucky until now, standing several times in front of German courts with relative mild consequences. Now the US music and film industry is showing us an example of brutal execution of international 'law' by governmental organisation. I don't know, if this makes me really happy. They first hunt down the Big Fishes, then they will concentrate on drying out the smaller publication platforms on the web. They will try to destroy and control all channels on the web, which are not supporting their business models.
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