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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 11:50:45 GMT -9
Back to Fantasy Worlds...Should I delete this one or proceed? => too generic or perhaps too lookalike? => hate or love it (or don't care)? => ideas / suggestions? EDIT: Of course axe could be replaced (sword, lance etc..) shield could be more "dwarvish", some helmet could be applied etc, not even mentioning cloak and other details.
Actually mirrored version might be also funny and/or interesting one (for example shield could be up - ie in place where axe is now -- which BTW might look quite interesting!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 12:30:21 GMT -9
...something like this one perhaps?...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 14:25:51 GMT -9
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 19, 2013 18:11:22 GMT -9
As someone with a bit of experience with historical fighting styles, that is a suicidal way to hold a sheild.
Just sayin'
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Post by Brave Adventures on Mar 20, 2013 5:49:20 GMT -9
I think it is a battle cry stance haha. Looks awesome though!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 6:40:19 GMT -9
As someone with a bit of experience with historical fighting styles, that is a suicidal way to hold a shield. With all the respect, you must be wrong, Sir! I have very(!!!) strong evidences, did serious research reading tons of superhero comics, watching movies... In fact, according these solid references this is the MOST efficient and reliable way to fight with a shield! You can't denial - I just saw it on TV, so it must be true, right? Anyway, just look at these pictures - mighty Achilles and Hector just-can't-be-wrong, no way! Look how they are both dancing, gosh! almost flying with their shields! For more serious and trustworthy references please see Achilles Vs Hector duel on YouTube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf4IoxEUmHM ;D Attachments:
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Mar 20, 2013 6:41:07 GMT -9
As someone with a bit of experience with historical fighting styles, that is a suicidal way to hold a sheild. Just sayin' I've been taking martial arts classes for a while now, and I had to learn early on that while some of the forms we learn seem silly, they are telling a story, and there is a reason for everything. So, let me try to imagine a story for this guy... Picture this guy going into a berserk rage, hacking up a ridiculous number of enemies like he's some movie star just weeding out all the extras. In the end, bodies lie piled all around. The dust is settling and he's paused to finally catch his breath. It's then that the movie music gets creepy, and one enemy starts slowly, silently standing back up behind him. The music gets tense... The foe raises his bloody weapon to finally strike down the hero and... BONK! One dramatic smash of the shield to the baddie behind him, and down he goes! OK. Maybe it's a tough sell for a static pose on a mini, but at *some* moment in time, it could have been a *really cool* move. mesper - in any of the poses, this guy looks great!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 6:50:50 GMT -9
...another one solid reason - there are even SONGS about this: "I'm danc... err...fighting in the rain" You can't ask warriors to carry umbrella - so they are kinda forced to use shields when it's raining during battle (bloody rain? )... ;D Attachments:
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 20, 2013 7:42:15 GMT -9
Yes, yes, we are all having fun here I just wanted to observe that some poses challenge my suspension of disbelief in a fighting situation even if they are dynamic and appealing on their own merits. Exactly as an armour bikini is appealing at first view but totally laughable if the viewer accidentally starts thinking about what they are looking at I'm reasonably sure Mesper knows more about historical accuracy than I do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 9:20:29 GMT -9
Thanks guys for appreciating! Yes, yes, we are all having fun here Yep - after all that's all about fun here ...Exactly as an armour bikini is appealing... WAIT, WAIT! Imagine - Dwarf warrior in BIKINI armour!!! mproteau (Paper Realms) - WOW! nice battle-story with SOUNDTRACK!!!
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Post by Parduz on Mar 20, 2013 10:10:32 GMT -9
Geez...i'm using this avatar from about 10 years.... don't make me change it evoking a BAAAAD image like a dwarf in bikini (armor) ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 15:21:06 GMT -9
@ Parduz[/img][/center] Geez - you kinda provoked me and I just couldn't resist... ;D But I can promise that I'll never-ever release this pinky one! so please feel safe and stay with your (awesome!) avatar.
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Post by stevelortz on Mar 20, 2013 16:17:17 GMT -9
We've got to remember that this character is a TROLL SLAYER!
He is obviously pointing up into the sky with his shield-hand saying, "LOOK! Was that a bird?"
He will gut the troll when it looks up in the sky where he's pointing!
Have fun! Steve
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Post by bravesirkevin on Mar 20, 2013 19:49:42 GMT -9
I just find it pretty funny that everyone's arguing about how the troll slayer should be holding his shield. He's a troll slayer. He'd look at a shield the same way an anorexic looks at a gigantic pizza... With absolute disgust and disdain. Even if he needs the shield every bit as much as the anorexic needs the 1200 calories, he's as unlikely to pick it up as the anorexic is to wolf that pie down.
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Post by grit on Mar 21, 2013 4:18:48 GMT -9
I just find it pretty funny that everyone's arguing about how the troll slayer should be holding his shield. Just my 2 Cents, but I loved the axe he had over his head, the axe in his left hand was great, leave the dagger to the side not whacking him in the the nads as he runs, and please don't give him a haircut, Mohawks are cool. BTW, as I am a 5'8 Florentine style fighter in Heavy Armor that is involved in a Historical Reenactment group, most the time I'm looking up at my opponents, so when I have used a shield it's usually attacking the weapon or over my head blocking the heavier blows. Your troll slayer is great, as he'll be looking up at most his opponents
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 21, 2013 5:48:54 GMT -9
I'm OK with over the head. Behind the head, unless there is no foe around, is harder to explain. Even if it is blocking a blow, how does he know he he is blocking a blow.
As for being a troll slayer, in D&D/Pathfinder at least a flask of acid or a molotov cocktail are going to be the true tools of the trade.
Not really arguing, it is not a deal breaker or anything if there is a figure or two I don't like in a set, I just like to push for verisimilitude in fantasy sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 6:53:46 GMT -9
@cowboylelend - I'm going to add couple versions: - with shield in left (his) hand
- shield above head
- shield on back
- NO SHIELD at all (with 2 swords/axes or battle hammer + knife... or mace
- even with lance with banner (above head)
+there will be separate/optional shields - so you will be able to mod your figurine. +color variations ofc. Then with "Mohican" and haircut or maybe version with helmet? So there will be many versions //however there will be no Bikini-Dwarf;) // and I hope that everyone could pick most suited / best one version for him. Or use various versions depending on gameplay status / stage. What is bothering me sometimes is that some modifications are quite time consuming and I'm not sure how to treat such versions - as a new figurine? You know, I'll prepare let's say 2 pages with many versions and then somebody will start to criticize that this is "only" one figurine
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Post by Rhannon on Mar 21, 2013 7:32:41 GMT -9
@cowboylelend - I'm going to add couple versions: - with shield in left (his) hand
- shield above head
- shield on back
- NO SHIELD at all (with 2 swords/axes or battle hammer + knife... or mace
- even with lance with banner (above head)
+there will be separate/optional shields - so you will be able to mod your figurine. +color variations ofc. Then with "Mohican" and haircut or maybe version with helmet? So there will be many versions //however there will be no Bikini-Dwarf;) // and I hope that everyone could pick most suited / best one version for him. Or use various versions depending on gameplay status / stage. What is bothering me sometimes is that some modifications are quite time consuming and I'm not sure how to treat such versions - as a new figurine? You know, I'll prepare let's say 2 pages with many versions and then somebody will start to criticize that this is "only" one figurine I would not make a commercial set with a single figure, and so many options. They are too many. Really! Someone not happy there will always ... And even knowing that constructive criticism are always useful. for everyone, even for those who are very capable, excessive niggling kill fun and enthusiasm. I think that the author must decide what to do and what not to do. Because the first has to be fun for him. But I have no skill and I'm not an author. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 10:29:24 GMT -9
I would not make a commercial set with a single figure, and so many options. Me neither Actually I'm planning 4-6 figurines for this set (codename Fantasy Heroes IIBut as some of these figurines (including Dwarven Troll Slayer) might turn into many variations - I'd probably stay with 4 unique figurines and whole plethora or variations and accessories. Here are some propositions: So, let's look what we've got here? -Dwarf (Troll Slayer) -Paladin -Barbarian (a'la Viking) -Saracen Warrior -Amazon Warrioress (ie She-Warrior?) Then, proceeding to second preview: -Witcher -Thief (lineart in background - you can see full pic and discussion in dedicated thread in my project catalogue) -Ninja killer -Barbarian // Actually, maybe it could be good idea =>> Assassins Set // Some figurines are not finished, some, at least in my opinion, not matching stylistically (old jobs, needs adding details and recoloring), some postponed - vide Witchers and Thief in background. I remember that there was some discussion regarding Witcher and Thief posing and I decided to put it on a side for a while, and then forgot - which is a shame, because I like this figurine general idea. =>>> So perhaps fellow CWforums members could help me to choose which figurines could be the best for this set?OR you could suggest some other characters ? (however not mages as I'm thinking over mage/wizard/sorcerer sets separate set for "good" and "evil") __________ Oh, and yes! - the Paladin in center is... origin for my avatar ;D
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Post by Rhannon on Mar 21, 2013 11:09:47 GMT -9
My personal preferences:
Dwarf and knight are really dark fantasy. The Amazon needs to be updating but she is a good character ( and a good drawing )
Saracen ... very historical but ... naaa ... ( for me )
The barbarian is just too Viking (historical Viking )
I see a difference in the drawings. A traditional style for amazon, barbarian and saracen and one, new, different, for dwark and knight. And I prefer, but this is just a personal preference, not a quality's assessment, this second.
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Post by gilius on Mar 22, 2013 3:31:30 GMT -9
I'd say witcher, dwarf, paladin, and space marin... star soldier Seriously now: My "vote" goes to witcher, amazon, dwarf, and paladin. IMO there is already a good selection of fantasy barbarians in your Fantasy Heroes #1... although, now that I think about it, additional ones with two-handed swords and axes would be nice. (hm, with the amazon I can have the PERMES version of the Golden Axe trio... and there is a guy on the Dragonslayers set that reminds of Death-Adder...)
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Post by madarchitect on Mar 22, 2013 5:51:17 GMT -9
Slayer, Paladin, Witcher are IMHO the best (in this order). Saracen and thief are ok. Ninjas i don't like by default . Barbarians and the amazon really stand out in terms of style. They are too clean, missing the scratches and spots of ink that add character to the rest. Regarding the slayer and his shields I think you should make an option of giving him four. One in each hand, third on the back and fourth in his teeth in case he was fighting some sort of basilisk troll (or mother in law), but seriously I think you should consider an option of making him looking up in the face of some troll sized foe (or mother in law). As for possible additional characters I would like to see some mercenaries (grim, seasoned veterans, with scars and worn armour). Also non magical, non religious intellectualists would be nice. Sages, alchemists, medics, explorers... and of course what is a witcher (or any hero) worth without his PR manag... I mean, a bard to tell his tale. Anyway great work! I really like the watercolour+ink style of your minis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:02:05 GMT -9
I'd say witcher, dwarf, paladin, and space marin... star soldier SPACE MARIN?!? Well, kinda OT (Ima hijacking my own thread?!? - here's some preview (work in progress status), just to prove that this set/series is not abandoned (actually Rhannon knows more details about this project and I'm consulting with him some features and ideas - though we can't reveal nothing more specific yet...) And that's just a part of what's in preparation BTW: what's your opinion regarding "robot mounted" sharpshooter (pale one in center)
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Post by stevelortz on Mar 22, 2013 15:08:16 GMT -9
I'm game for any sci-fi that's NOT GW!
Have fun! Steve
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 15:31:59 GMT -9
I'm game for any sci-fi that's NOT GW! OK my fault- shouldn't start this sci-fi topic here (it was intended as all about dwarves and fantasy heroes after all;)... But Steve, hope that these figurines are non-GW enough? Anyway - perhaps I should open brand new sci-fi topic within my project threads... so we can evaluate / discuss some ideas and samples (well, assuming that anyone is interested? ))
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Post by gilius on Mar 22, 2013 15:49:36 GMT -9
I'm game for any sci-fi that's NOT GW! OK my fault- shouldn't start this sci-fi topic here (it was intended as all about dwarves and fantasy heroes after all;)... But Steve, hope that these figurines are non-GW enough? Anyway - perhaps I should open brand new sci-fi topic within my project threads... so we can evaluate / discuss some ideas and samples (well, assuming that anyone is interested? )) IMO this preview is awesome and I would be very interested in it and related discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 16:40:26 GMT -9
Back to Fantasy genre... ...and of course what is a witcher (or any hero) worth without his PR manag... I mean, a bard to tell his tale... As you wish... Can't promise right now but I'll consider some more Jaskier similar character/figurine (vide A. Sapkowski's Wiedzmin - The Witcher Saga)
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Post by Parduz on Mar 23, 2013 8:04:14 GMT -9
Permes, as i said from the first time i saw something from you, i like your style a true lot. Now, as the thread just have drifted a bit on other genres, and as i see you Sci-fi preview (wow!) i humbly renew my request for modern soldiers, armed citizens, SWAT-like agents, masked terrorist and hostages. I dunno how them can appeal you, so i don't know if you'll like to draw them, but this "genre" is really lacking figures, no matter if made by plastic, metal or paper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 10:07:08 GMT -9
Parduz Thanks! I like modern soldiers, SWAT / other Spec Ops minis idea (although not sure regarding "bad guys" and civil hostages) - actually I'm gathering reference pics, there are also some first drafts done:) So sooner or later this kind of set (or rather whole series(!) as topic seems to be developmental) should be released. Thing is that I'm afraid that I've already opened too many threads so I should focus and finish at least some of these... ;D
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Post by Parduz on Mar 24, 2013 10:23:29 GMT -9
(although not sure regarding "bad guys" and civil hostages) The good ones needs opponents, and objectives -EDIT- And i'd add that not everytime the Militar forces are the good and the civilian rebels are the bad. While "few hyper-equipped, super-trained soldiers vs swarms of average opponents" is an old game scenario (Aliens, Space Hulk, Black Hawk Down...) the opposite is quite rare and could be an interesting way to play.
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