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Post by Rhannon on Aug 6, 2013 4:43:32 GMT -9
I have always considered Ebbles models as the sci-fi paper models'Rolls Royce ( is a way of saying to indicate that they are, imho, the best paper sci-fi vehicles available on the market ), and a few years ago I bought some of them. Only some because my main interest was and is always about the paper minis/figures.
Now I try to increase the number of them that I have and after buying the first models available on RPGNow, now Genet Models offers his "VT-3 Pinzgauer" Heavy Shuttle - But in PWYW payment option. ( on RPGNow home page This is a price of $ 9.99 for this great model and all its color variations, they are at least 10. if I remember correctly this model was sold at about 12/15 dollars each )
I don't really like PWYW option because it does not help me to understand the true value of the model. Imho PWYW is mainly intended to speculate for those who think to pay less one thing. So I'm not interested. on the rare occasions that I have to paying this way I use the written price indication.
But in this specific case, I really doubt about a price of $ 9.99. So some advice would help me. What would be a fair price for this excellent model with all its color variations? Thank in advance.
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Post by hackbarth on Aug 6, 2013 5:14:19 GMT -9
That's a tough one. If your problem was knowing the price of something, that would be easy. Now you asked about the value of something, that is hard.
First of all value is subjective. If you only play D&D and never use SF models, the value for something like this is close to zero. Now if you play a SF RPG and intend to build this thing to be the main vehicle for the characters, it's over the $9.99 Ebbles asked for it before. My guess is that the value for this FOR YOU is something in between.
Also there's value as a share of your means. Or how much of your income you can engage in your hobby, and how much of that you can afford on this particular piece. I guess if you live in the US your living standard in at least well-off, and you can maintain a hobby with a monthly allowance of a set amount of dollars. Find what this is and see if for what you want to build/use in this month, how much you can spend in this particular model, compared with the value of the other things you want to spend on. You may want to compare with other hobbies of yours too. How much is a movie outing, and what fun/sense of accomplishment that brings? How does the Pinzgauer compares?
Now if you live elsewhere, as I live, the economic reality of your country plays a saying in your spending. Luckily there's no shipping fees on this one ship(no pun intended)! But for example I was only capable to buy PDFs when the economic realities of Brazil changed a decade or so ago. And with the USD$ exchange at 2.3 BRL$, combined with less income for the same positions, it means that I can't maintain the same hobbies of an US Citizen in the same social group than mine. You have to adjust your hobbies expenses for your income/social class, I guess. I think a first step (that is also good to keep your finances and life in general in order) is to do an accounting of how much of your income you spend on your pleasure activities.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 6, 2013 8:24:31 GMT -9
Chris has an article on how he is proceeding with his marketing over at genetmodels.com. In spite of all the variations included, most people will build only one of them. If you are planning on building a fleet with multiple paint schemes, I would certainly consider paying a bit more. $9.99 seems cheap to me for the model, but if I was making this purchase, I know I would only build one version, so $10-12 would seem fair. Ultimately, you have to decide.
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Post by Vellcrow on Aug 6, 2013 13:51:19 GMT -9
I own this model, as well as almost everything else that Ebbles has produced, and I can say that the $9.99 for the Pinzgauer is way under-priced. If that is where Ebbles started, there is no harm in paying that price, but to help keep him going, it would not be out of line to pay double for it.
As mentioned above, what is it worth to you specifically? For me, I would pay a pretty high price (relatively speaking) just to get my hands on the Percheron, something he has yet to re-release.
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Post by Rhannon on Aug 6, 2013 14:43:44 GMT -9
Ok, thank you all for the replies, guys. my English language's knowledge is so bad and it did not allow me to explain well. I didn't want to talk about the model's value. Ss rightly hackbarth said, it is subjective and very personal. I asked only about a fair price because I think that this the product is underestimated (9.99 $). And I don't like misuse PWYW option. It's all. I agree with with Vellcrow about his considerations. So I now have a starting price for this product and then add something for every color variation. At the end the Vellcrow's suggestion appears right. Thanks.
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Post by highlandpiper on Aug 6, 2013 23:31:48 GMT -9
I believe I paid well over $10.00 for mine, It certainly is worth $20.00
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Post by Rhannon on Aug 7, 2013 1:17:02 GMT -9
I believe I paid well over $10.00 for mine, It certainly is worth $20.00 Yes, I agree. Thanks. I just bought this product at this price. I thought that the model is worth at least $ 10 ( even more imho, but this is only my view about price and not about "value" ) and then at least a dollar for every additional feature ( colors ). thanks again.
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Post by Christopher Roe on Aug 7, 2013 7:40:13 GMT -9
Rhannon: Thanks for the business! I guess the reason I like pay-what-you-want is because it lets people try things out for realsies before they buy (they can always come pack and pay something if they liked it), it accommodates the fact that value is subjective quite nicely, and it equalizes access to the fun stuff regardless of exchange rates or personal economic status. It's also not my day job anymore, so I have some flexibility in experimenting with new ways of selling stuff. The new Genet Models website (still a work in progress, not live yet) has a little FAQ on PWYW, and I use bartering as a basis of comparison--is this model worth a Snickers bar, a cup of coffee, a burger, or a pizza? My reasoning is that I like all of those things and wouldn't turn any of them down, so it doesn't really matter how much anyone pays for any one given model. The fact they're paying something is great. Just for fun, some numbers. I just ran a quick sales report for August 1 2013 to today, and it shows 58 items sold for a gross of $93.81, and I keep $65.67 after fees. After the taxman takes his cut, that's $55.62 in my pocket. Granted, I'd probably be sweating a little if this was my day job, but I'm still pleased because that's a fair amount of coffee and pizza right there! Oh, and ignore the prices on RPGNow/WGV/DTRPG--I had to put something there because they haven't fully updated all of their web templates to deal gracefully with PWYW products, and I think it costs money for publishers to list free products. At least, that used to be the case. I'm not sure if that's still the case today, but I'll check later when I get off from work. I'd actually prefer that PWYW products don't show any suggested prices at all.
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Post by Parduz on Aug 7, 2013 11:52:46 GMT -9
Eh... if you want a bit of feedback about PWYW, here's mine: it's a great way to makes me feel guilty What i mean is that i'm one of the cheapest gamers in the world (i think that if i were more cheaper i'll cease to play boardgames), so too often "Pay what you want" to me becomes "Pay what you can". But then there's the strong desire for a model, a tile, a miniature set, that pulls from the other side. So it always ends in two ways: i could buy the product for an amount that i think is low, but i could'nt pay more for it, or i don't buy it 'cause the shame is more than the desire for the product. In the end, it add a lot of stress to me.... while also giving me the option to buy something i could not afford.... so i'm always split.
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Post by spaceranger42 on Aug 7, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -9
I don't feel too guilty about low balling a PWYW item. As was previously stated it seems a good way to explore publishers whose products I do not have yet. Too, I am likely already buying models from that person or if I like what I see enough to pay anything for them, chances are that I am going to buy models from them in the future. I am sure that if I get to the point were my stuff is good enough to sell that I will make some kits available with a PWYW option too, just because I want people to be able to have it and enjoy it without going broke. If I end up making a profit on something, cool, but I have a day job that pays well right now so I get to support several of you fine artists a couple of times a month
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Post by Christopher Roe on Aug 7, 2013 16:32:05 GMT -9
Parduz: No need to feel guilty. When a publisher chooses PWYW, they're fully accepting the fact that the value of their product is entirely up to the customer. It really doesn't hurt my feelings or bother me when a person enters a small amount.
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