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Post by mesper on Mar 20, 2014 14:21:55 GMT -9
Boney M ClassicSo (alike song's last spoken words) "Oh, those barbarians!"... ...how to dress them
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Post by squirmydad on Mar 20, 2014 14:55:12 GMT -9
I like pants.
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 20, 2014 15:29:35 GMT -9
V1 has a nice old Conan feel to it and V3 looks good. I would save the kilt for your specific highland set. You are going to do a highland set right? Basket hilted broadswords, targes, sgian dubh and tartans?
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Post by Parduz on Mar 20, 2014 15:39:36 GMT -9
I like them all, to me they just come from different regions (V1 - temperate/warm climate, v2 scotland-like climate, v3 from a bit more cold region) What about a fur or wool (curly... not wowen) skirt? Just to make them come from a more cold place (and give them a bit more of "distance" from our culture)?
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Post by WackyAnne on Mar 20, 2014 17:02:41 GMT -9
I agree with cowboyleland & Parduz - While V1 is a classic, V3 would be better if the pants were more of fur/skins/hide/leather than these that appear woven. Boney M's costumes appear more trans-Uralic via the Arabian Nights P.S. Kudos on your excellent taste in music. I looove this tune. I should play this in the background if/when I run Pathfinder's Reign of Winter AP! Boney M's Christmas album is played almost more than any other on my iPod.
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Post by mesper on Mar 20, 2014 17:04:15 GMT -9
I like pants. Well me too but... what about some Highlanders among us? <...> I would save the kilt for your specific highland set. You are going to do a highland set right? Basket hilted broadswords, targes, sgian dubh and tartans? Err... OMG! basket hilted broadswords, targes, sgian dubh and tartans... need to search for some references!!! <...> What about a fur or wool (curly... not wowen) skirt? Just to make them come from a more cold place (and give them a bit more of "distance" from our culture)? Hmm... something like these perhaps: ----- EDIT: distance from our culture - I assume that you mean some more "fancy'n'fantasy" helmets, shields, weapons and ornaments etc.?
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Post by WackyAnne on Mar 20, 2014 17:08:25 GMT -9
Yes to the last pic - fur and leathers, with only a small smattering of coarse woollens. But are you going for pop culture tropes? or historical accuracy? It all depends on which culture you want to highlight, Vikings, Picts, Saxons, Gauls, Goths, Visigoths, emogoths...
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Post by mesper on Mar 20, 2014 17:17:26 GMT -9
<...> But are you going for pop culture tropes? or historical accuracy? It all depends on which culture you want to highlight, Vikings, Picts, Saxons, Gauls, Goths, Visigoths, emogoths... Fantasy? // There will be separate Brits/Picts/Gauls/Germans/Huns (and of course Carthage) sets within ROMA AETHERNA (or rather Enemies of Rome??? - still not sure how to title this sub-series...) //
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Post by Parduz on Mar 20, 2014 17:18:16 GMT -9
EDIT: distance from our culture - I assume that you mean some more "fancy'n'fantasy" helmets, shields, weapons and ornaments etc.? Not really, it is that i was'nt able to recall the word "Exotic". What i meant is that a man with a woolen skirt and "jacket" is not common, so more original and exotic, as a barbarian could be
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Post by wyvern on Mar 21, 2014 2:08:18 GMT -9
While the logic of costume fitting to climate may seem intuitively correct, some of the historical northern European "barbarians" at times fought naked, or almost so (Gauls, Britons and Picts especially in the Roman era, for example), while the roughly knee-length kilt/skirt was favoured by many troops from different parts of the world over time (so you can see them in art from the 3rd millennium BC in Mesopotamia right through the Roman period in northwestern Europe, and later, for instance). Presumably, this was because of the freedom of movement it still provided, while not getting too hot leaping about in combat, yet retaining some clothed "dignity" (for example, ancient Mesopotamian prisoners of war seem to have been routinely stripped on the battlefield, so they're easily distinguishable in period art). Leggings/trousers were considered particularly "barbarian" by the Romans, although there are suggestions they may have eventually adopted them when garrisoning Britain!
The impression from some period texts is the idea of fighting naked made those warriors feel invulnerable, regardless of the likely realities against metal weapons. Plus it would be good to have some historical naked paper warriors available at least, as there's a real lack of these at present. I'm sure some fantasy devotees wouldn't necessarily object to this either...
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Post by Parduz on Mar 21, 2014 3:31:54 GMT -9
Is'nt awesome how much things we ....well, I, learn from a hobby site? I admit that did'nt thought at Mesper barbarians as "historical figures"... i assumed they was for "high fantasy".
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Post by mesper on Mar 21, 2014 11:58:51 GMT -9
Plus it would be good to have some historical naked paper warriors available at least, as there's a real lack of these at present. I'm sure some fantasy devotees wouldn't necessarily object to this either... Well, maybe not totally naked but... OK, back to work (dressing barbarians)
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Post by mesper on Apr 4, 2014 16:17:00 GMT -9
Scaling issue - I'm working on this set, so... Are barbarian warriors supposed to be TALL and BOLD? Hmm...
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Post by migibb on Apr 4, 2014 22:29:13 GMT -9
They always seem to be presented as 6 foot-plus and "mighty-thewed", but there's no reason you can't have short barbarians too surely. We all know how vicious little dogs can be, after all......
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Post by wyvern on Apr 5, 2014 5:51:09 GMT -9
The height of "Barbarians" really depends on whether you're meaning in fantasy or historical reality.
Fantasy could be whatever is thought appropriate, naturally. Historically though, people were on average shorter in many (but not all) past epochs and/or places than they are today, and there will be skeleton-based archaeological evidence to indicate by how much and when for different areas. I recall reading somewhere recently (that I typically now can't find when I want to quote it...) that Roman legionaries were on average about 1.7 m (about 5'7") tall, so they and their "barbarian" foes might be judged according to that "standard".
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Post by dungeonmistress on Apr 5, 2014 7:03:34 GMT -9
I, for one, play a high fantasy game. I built my world and I make of it what I want. I have elves, dwarves, half-orcs and gnomes in my world, so I'm not so worried about historical accuracy. Barbarians, in my world, sometimes come from mixed race tribes. So barbarians of differing heights is not unknown. As a representative of the Coalition of Vertically Challenged Humans (CoVCH), I wouldn't mind seeing some short barbarians, dwarf barbarians, even gnome barbarians!
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Post by madarchitect on Apr 5, 2014 9:32:40 GMT -9
Scaling issue - I'm working on this set, so... Are barbarian warriors supposed to be TALL and BOLD? Hmm... Apart from the barbarian fashion and size issues I must say that I really like these slightly desaturated colours on this image. Looks IMHO much better than all the images above.
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Post by WackyAnne on Apr 5, 2014 10:35:33 GMT -9
Scaling issue - I'm working on this set, so... Are barbarian warriors supposed to be TALL and BOLD? Hmm... I'd really prefer that the standard barbarians be if the same height as other figures - the consistency is important for scale integrity. It's easy enough to change the scaling at time of printing if you want a slightly taller or shorter group.
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Post by mesper on Apr 11, 2014 16:14:06 GMT -9
<...> I really like these slightly desaturated colours on this image. Looks IMHO much better than all the images above. Thanks - same for me However question is would such "desaturated", washed and kinda more grim minis be still handy when on tabletop (arm distance)? Anyway it might be good idea to release some sort of test mini-set I'd really prefer that the standard barbarians be if the same height as other figures - the consistency is important for scale integrity. It's easy enough to change the scaling at time of printing if you want a slightly taller or shorter group. Hmm... what? "standard barbarians" But seriously - good point!
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Post by WackyAnne on Apr 11, 2014 17:47:02 GMT -9
<...> I really like these slightly desaturated colours on this image. Looks IMHO much better than all the images above. Thanks - same for me However question is would such "desaturated", washed and kinda more grim minis be still handy when on tabletop (arm distance)? Anyway it might be good idea to release some sort of test mini-set Good idea I'd really prefer that the standard barbarians be if the same height as other figures - the consistency is important for scale integrity. It's easy enough to change the scaling at time of printing if you want a slightly taller or shorter group. Hmm... what? "standard barbarians" But seriously - good point! By "standard barbarians", I meant regular human barbarians, in case you wanted to do half-orc, etc. barbarians as well. By maintaining scale integrity, hopefully any scale creep is avoided.
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Post by cowboyleland on Apr 11, 2014 17:49:16 GMT -9
I think "standard barbarians" are ones carrying flags
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Post by mesper on Apr 28, 2014 16:08:07 GMT -9
I think "standard barbarians" are ones carrying flags
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