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Post by mesper on Nov 1, 2014 16:38:38 GMT -9
Underwater Creatures: Sharks Another one 24H MiniSet from PERMES!This one was inspired by wyvern 's post: Hoards to come-November 2014 onwardsPERMES Mini Set #9 - Underwater Creatures: SharksNOTE:The Blue Shark is NOT flying nor jumping from water like dolphins do - simply have no idea how to connect shark's figurine with tab and further with base. However... perhaps I should just add some black rectangular beneath shark, so users could adopt/use their own bases? Well as I did in one go also some dolphins, octopus/medusa and one more sci-fi/fantasy water snake-like creature, so will add more versions of tab and base "connectors" while assembling these (although I'd need some more ideas for underwater creatures so it could be possible to complete enough for set, hmm..) Anyway - ENJOY! Mesper
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Post by sunraven01 on Nov 1, 2014 21:51:01 GMT -9
The Blue Shark appears to be intended to be used in an underwater combat, yes? And the White Shark is cruising the surface?
Make the Blue Shark's fin overlaid on a coral outcropping instead of the water currently. As if he were cruising around a reef.
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Post by wyvern on Nov 2, 2014 3:28:44 GMT -9
The Blue Shark is NOT flying nor jumping from water like dolphins do - simply have no idea how to connect shark's figurine with tab and further with base. However... perhaps I should just add some black rectangular beneath shark, so users could adopt/use their own bases? You could even make the base tab a simple white rectangle, given that some people may want to replace it with clear plastic for undersea use. There are similar problems for flying minis, of course, which could be similarly solved for gaming, using the One Monk "invisible" flying bases from the December 2013 Hoard from this page, for example. Adding base textures like water sprays, waves, coral, rocks, etc. forces you either to use the minis only on the surface or near the sea bed, so for true underwater swimming minis, the simplest base tabs solution would be preferable. Well as I did in one go also some dolphins, octopus/medusa and one more sci-fi/fantasy water snake-like creature, so will add more versions of tab and base "connectors" while assembling these (although I'd need some more ideas for underwater creatures so it could be possible to complete enough for set, hmm..) Great starting points, but there are plenty of other options, such as: * Human(oid) frogmen in wetsuits of varying types; * Human(oid) swimmers in varying costumes, including snorkel divers; * Frog Men (not humans in wetsuits!); * Cthulhoid Deep Ones, including variant options for giant leader types (like Lovecraft's Dagon); * Jellyfish of various forms; * Large fish, including prehistoric types (e.g. jawless fishes and ichthyosaurs); * Prehistoric marine creatures of various forms like the plesiosaurs - could also work for Loch Ness Monster creatures; * Larger swimming crabs and shellfish, including prehistoric types (such as swimming trilobites and ammonites); * Fish-tailed or fish-like humanoids (merfolk, or other proprietary brands like Sahuagin and the Lovecraftian Gnorri); * Sea-horses and sea-dragons (that is, enlarged versions of the real world types like the Leafy Sea Dragon and Seahorse) and fantasy versions, like the Hippocampus of Greek and Roman myths, and sea-serpents; * Turtles, real and fantasy; * Seals, walruses; * Penguins; * For something gigantic, what about a Blue Whale. The list, even of just real-world possibilities ancient and modern is virtually endless! This is a handy site for an introduction to many modern marine creatures, with some useful photos and short descriptions. More ideas now than you may want, I fear
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 2, 2014 11:08:20 GMT -9
I always like the "sea lion" from the original (1977) monster manual. It looks like a terrestrial lion with a fish tail. I always thought it would be a cool side quest for someone who wants magical armour that lets you swim or breath under water to have to obtain the raw materials by killing a "sea lion."
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Post by WackyAnne on Nov 2, 2014 11:13:26 GMT -9
Thank you Mesper! I'd love to run an underwater adventure, and this will already be perfect for pirating' !!!
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 2, 2014 12:17:15 GMT -9
Hello mesper, It seems to me you should spend your talents on more creative tasks, so I took the liberty of modding your sharks a bit. I hope that is OK.
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Post by mesper on Nov 2, 2014 14:19:25 GMT -9
wyvern - really a LOT of both good and funny ideas:) (BTW many thanks for another one valuable source link!!!) Well... in fact I'm little scared, as these creatures you've just mentioned are enough for a whole... series! (so kinda: humans under-water, underwater animals, underwater beast/creatures= fantasy and sci-fi, then last but not least underwater NON-humans -- which would gather all previously mentioned but with some non-human features/poses/accessories etc!) ...
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 2, 2014 14:25:16 GMT -9
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Post by mesper on Nov 2, 2014 14:47:04 GMT -9
Hello mesper, It seems to me you should spend your talents on more creative tasks, so I took the liberty of modding your sharks a bit. I hope that is OK. Yep - PERFECT - many thanks!!! Well I think that I could (or even should?!) use such "contour" figurine-tab kinda transparent connectors solution in future releases as an option (hmm... which obviously will result with some more pages, but... idea/solution is OK so what can I do? . =>>>Actually the BEST idea IMHO is to print (or just cut-out with scissors!) such "figurine-base" connetors SEPARATE on TRANSPARENT FOIL - that looks perfect with flying and swimming minis:)// Well I know - it would (transparent foil) cost some pennies - but still that's definitelly less compared to plastic not even mentioning metal figurines, and there are additional bonuses as colouring/changing pose etc. options available for papercraft minis!)// Anyway, here is another one version... with SEPARATE shark (now it's a more BLUEISH Shark:) and two versions of water - greenish and some darkish deep-under one. BTW There are also "water-BASES" from PERMES available (LOL actually I don't remember where/in which set are these?!
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Post by mesper on Nov 2, 2014 21:16:28 GMT -9
Update! Brand NEW sheet added - so download while available!
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Post by wyvern on Nov 3, 2014 6:03:05 GMT -9
Well... in fact I'm little scared, as these creatures you've just mentioned are enough for a whole... series! (so kinda: humans under-water, underwater animals, underwater beast/creatures= fantasy and sci-fi, then last but not least underwater NON-humans -- which would gather all previously mentioned but with some non-human features/poses/accessories etc!) ... You're quite right. It's long surprised me how little attention figurine manufacturers generally (not just paper minis) have paid to this whole vast area, despite it featuring in various novels and movies for generations. In a fantasy or science-fiction setting, undersea activities for intelligent air-breathers with access to magic or high enough technology shouldn't be a problem, and there are some splendid undersea battlemaps/tiles for gaming already available too. All it really needs is someone to "jump in" and start producing some good, suitable minis! But as I've also said before, maybe it's just me (and WackyAnne) who's interested in games in such settings.
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Post by mesper on Nov 5, 2014 18:44:42 GMT -9
>...> In a fantasy or science-fiction setting, undersea activities for intelligent air-breathers with access to magic or high enough technology shouldn't be a problem, and there are some splendid undersea battlemaps/tiles for gaming already available too. All it really needs is someone to "jump in" and start producing some good, suitable minis! Well, I have at least couple of undersea figurines (both stricte fantasy -- mermaids / sea witches / kinda fairies with long fish tails etc) and humans in various underwater suits/helmets) then also even some elements of undersea scenery - some corals, rocks, creatures (like Murena/cavern). Thing is that I don't have IMO acceptable for publishing English-language "storyline/scenario" to put it all together, not even mentioning some simple rule-book... Still... just in order to maintain some more optimistic attitude ... LADIES and GENTS... Smiling version of SHARK (smiley;) LOOOLLLL!!!
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Post by mesper on Nov 5, 2014 18:50:35 GMT -9
Oh no... by mistake previous/original version was replaced!!! Grrr... Wait a sec - hopefully got some backup so will try to restore it...
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Post by WackyAnne on Nov 5, 2014 21:50:46 GMT -9
Well... in fact I'm little scared, as these creatures you've just mentioned are enough for a whole... series! (so kinda: humans under-water, underwater animals, underwater beast/creatures= fantasy and sci-fi, then last but not least underwater NON-humans -- which would gather all previously mentioned but with some non-human features/poses/accessories etc!) ... You're quite right. It's long surprised me how little attention figurine manufacturers generally (not just paper minis) have paid to this whole vast area, despite it featuring in various novels and movies for generations. In a fantasy or science-fiction setting, undersea activities for intelligent air-breathers with access to magic or high enough technology shouldn't be a problem, and there are some splendid undersea battlemaps/tiles for gaming already available too. All it really needs is someone to "jump in" and start producing some good, suitable minis! But as I've also said before, maybe it's just me (and WackyAnne) who's interested in games in such settings. The Reaper Bones II KS included some sea-themed minis, including a spectacular kraken that I backed for (DungeonCrawler did an even more beautiful, if more expensive, kraken, and tentacles, too). Pathfinder has some prepainted plastic minis for underwater beasts from its Skull & Shackles AP, including a couple of kinds of sharks, were-sharks, grindylows, sahuagin... There is also the DeepWars wargame, by Anti-Matter Games, which is based on undersea civilizations and combat. They've run KS to fund many miniatures, for DW & a companion game called ShadowSea. Allure Publishing has an entire (and apparently excellent) underwater campaign setting for Pathfinder called Cerulean Seas which you can buy in print or PDF (see link to RPGNow). They introduced an intriguing method of positioning minis for underwater combat (translatable to flying combat, as well). There clearly are a few minis manufacturers and game publishers that are producing, and there certainly is interest on the part of players & collectors. So, mesper, don't be afraid to dive in! ;D
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Post by wyvern on Nov 6, 2014 4:22:32 GMT -9
D&D has also long included rules and monsters for undersea adventures, going back to the original second supplement "Blackmoor", by Dave Arneson, from 1975. The new 5th edition continues that trend, with notes on swimming movement and undersea combat in the Player's Handbook already (both sections are also in the free Basic Rules download). Plus there are various underwater creatures, including many of the old D&D favourites, in the Monster Manual too. More details on using underwater settings should be in the Dungeonmaster's Guide when it's published in a few weeks' time.
As for background notes on why people might want to venture underwater, Dave Arneson's opening three sentences introducing underwater adventures seem as inspirational as any still:
Mythology is replete with tales of sunken cities, ships laden with loot and the like. Every warm blooded adventurer dreams of finding Mu, Lemuria, Atlantis or some such similar treasure-trove. But no such undertaking is done lightly; the perils of the deep are varied and deadly. (From Blackmoor, TSR Games, 1975, page 48)
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 6, 2014 6:36:31 GMT -9
It seems to me a natural way to take the recent pirate craze to another level.
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Post by WackyAnne on Nov 6, 2014 12:14:30 GMT -9
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Post by mesper on Nov 6, 2014 16:45:10 GMT -9
It seems to me a natural way to take the recent pirate craze to another level. I assume that by "another lever" you mean something like BOTH: -higher (hopefully:) then typical-pirate level AND -deep-deep-under (like 1000 foot under the surface:) sunk-vector level Well as a fan of WoW's underwater Cataclysm expansion VASHJ'IR zone I'm all in! (Please google images for "Wow underwater")
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Post by mesper on Nov 6, 2014 17:20:17 GMT -9
Thanks:) Still, there are some ideas/themes to be added! Like, just an example, Barbary Coast Pirates, then some sort of Tortuga or Porto-Bello defenders and/or commoners, then some "sunken/skeleton pirates" etc... (of course the last one /skeletons/ would be probably the most acclaimed and best selling among mentioned sets - but it sounds sooo boooring... These preview drafts are Pirate's hideout characters - you know, playing cards, drinking, singing, dancing and... etc... having fun in other words! BTW: there is some quite nice'n'funny song by Enrique Iglesias, which should correspond with preview's ambience: Enrique Iglesias - Bailando ft Sean Paul, Descemer Bueno, Gente De Zona(However I do strongly prefer Spanish version - it's available at VEVO so google it!) OK, preview: Well there is obviously some pirate with falconet (gun), some card-players and drunken ones but also some "Spanish-eyes" lady and big, big campfire and dancing peoples (there is much more than these on a preview)! Actually I didn't even coloured most of these minis... a s I think that there is no place for such minis on the market (which makes me really sad, sad panda;). Thing (again sad) is that probably no-one would buy such a set! Well, as I'm not treating this whole papercraft stuff as a money-maker so it could be released somewhere in future most probably as kinda freebie or dunno, "watered" and splitted into parts and then added into various sets?... kinda some travelling Gypsy Band or some Medieval Spaniards? Hmm... no idea so far to be honest... ===== EDIT SPANISH version - IMHO much more "bailando" Just look at the girl in red (later in black)! (well it's here where I should add above mentioned "shark's smile" - just in case no offence here LOL;) Bailando Spanish Version - VEVO
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 6, 2014 18:53:30 GMT -9
I do like the gypsy camp idea, though I don't have a game to put it in right now.
I was thinking about the level under the pirate ships when I wrote my previous comment, but as soon as I wrote it I started picturing pirate airships as well. . . Perhaps one level at a time.
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Post by mesper on Nov 6, 2014 19:17:03 GMT -9
Underwater party...
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Post by mesper on Nov 6, 2014 21:30:27 GMT -9
Updated version of "Underwater Party"... Some small details changed, most probably nobody will notice...
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Post by wyvern on Nov 7, 2014 1:51:20 GMT -9
Like, just an example, Barbary Coast Pirates, then some sort of Tortuga or Porto-Bello defenders and/or commoners, then some "sunken/skeleton pirates" etc... (of course the last one /skeletons/ would be probably the most acclaimed and best selling among mentioned sets - but it sounds sooo boooring... If you wanted some variations on the "pirate skeletons" theme, maybe some model mini diorama pieces might be worth considering. I remembered in particular the original Disney "Pirates of the Caribbean" plastic models made by MPC from the 1970s, with their (elastic band powered) "Zap Action" - this blog has box art images for the full set, which shows how the various moving elements worked in each. Can't see the same action working so well with home-print paper models, but there may be ideas to expand upon from them at least. The plastic models were excellent as I recall. I made all five of the "skeletons only" ones at some point back then, though sadly they've all gone the way since. Actually I didn't even coloured most of these minis... a s I think that there is no place for such minis on the market (which makes me really sad, sad panda;). Thing (again sad) is that probably no-one would buy such a set! Well, as I'm not treating this whole papercraft stuff as a money-maker so it could be released somewhere in future most probably as kinda freebie or dunno, "watered" and splitted into parts and then added into various sets?... kinda some travelling Gypsy Band or some Medieval Spaniards? Hmm... no idea so far to be honest... The gypsies, campfire, etc., would be perfect for settings based on movie-inspired adventures like the famous 1941 Universal picture "Wolf Man" - and you already have the werewolves for that, of course!
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Post by WackyAnne on Nov 7, 2014 9:53:17 GMT -9
I'd love to see the gypsy set released soon, it'd be a nice addition to Fiddler's Green and Dryw's gypsy wagons. Actually, I could see the set doing quite well overall, as the gypsy trope comes up in settings like D&D's Ravenloft, and Pathfinder's Golarion - in fact several of the most popular PF adventures are set in Varisia, homeland to a gypsy-like people. Your meticulous style would also be fantastic should you ever want to tackle designing gypsy wagons yourself. I've gathered some lovely, detailed images of historical designs, very easily to translate to papercraft with a little time and more skill that I've got As for the mer-gypsy, she almost appears to be in danger of being harpooned by the pirate shadow in the background...
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Post by mesper on Nov 7, 2014 12:35:57 GMT -9
The gypsies, campfire, etc., would be perfect for settings based on movie-inspired adventures like the famous 1941 Universal picture "Wolf Man" - and you already have the werewolves for that, of course! Hmm... good point! <...>should you ever want to tackle designing gypsy wagons yourself. I've gathered some lovely, detailed images of historical designs<...> Could you perhaps share and post or send these source files (via e-mail or as links/pics in PM)? Just to be honest can't promise anything at the moment but who knows... Well I have already some Gypsy Wagon... vide preview (btw it's based on some real wagon photo) But it's: a) not coloured b) designed as 2D/Flat element of EASY!SCENERY so IMHO too complicated for simple conversion into 3D But... perhaps there are some volunteers who would like to try rehash/rework this for a simple 2.5D or even 3D model? (I have most of the parts on separate layers: ground, wheels, stairs, windows etc. then I could do all the colour and page assembling job)
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 7, 2014 16:35:30 GMT -9
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 7, 2014 19:52:59 GMT -9
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Post by wyvern on Nov 8, 2014 4:43:56 GMT -9
Well I have already some Gypsy Wagon... vide preview (btw it's based on some real wagon photo) But it's: a) not coloured b) designed as 2D/Flat element of EASY!SCENERY so IMHO too complicated for simple conversion into 3D I'm not so sure; it's a great starting point. With a simpler rolled tube plus low-angle-cone "hat" for the chimney, and no clerestory in the roof - so a simpler curved single roof panel - all you'd need are flat panels with tabs for the rest. So, a mirror image for the opposite side panel, two end panels (with curved tops to fit the roof), a plank floor, a couple of rolled tubes - or even rectangular boxes through which a cut-down cocktail-stick could be inserted, say - for the axles and/or axle blocks - some double-sided foldover wheels, the steps as a double-sided zigzag fold-up piece (or just a simple flat ramp, with steps shown), two shafts for the horse, a seat for the driver attached to the front panel, and it'd be good to go as an outside surface 3D model. Especially in full, intricately-painted, colours! Of course, we'd love it if you made some interior panels and fitted furniture to match for it too And to stay on-topic, maybe an undersea variant as well, or even a submersible mer-gypsy wagon? Or is that just too crazy?
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Post by mesper on Nov 8, 2014 13:20:02 GMT -9
And to stay on-topic, maybe an undersea variant as well, or even a submersible mer-gypsy wagon? Or is that just too crazy? :-/ But then indeed - thread started just with some smallish underwater mini/one-shot page, some basing issues, then went through pirates, gypsy campfire and wagon, then sunken treasures and ultimately back to... underwater gypsy wagon LOL - love these forums, really I do!
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Post by mesper on Nov 8, 2014 19:27:42 GMT -9
Just wasting time... testing colours, overlay effects etc (though not quite happy with these)...
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