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Post by Vermin King on Nov 29, 2015 16:43:25 GMT -9
Major disappointment. Possible step forward. Mike, who I gave the Shakespeare Birthplace, no longer has any contacts at the Shakespeare Trust. So no getting someone there to get me photos of what I need (well, want).
However he says he has always been a fan of architecture, so he is going to see if he can find photos from when he was there to see if that would help. I was hoping he would remember more about the back of the Harvard House and Garrick Inn, but all he remembers is that they were more plain than the front...
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 1, 2015 19:17:08 GMT -9
Having more difficulty getting any of my Garrick Inn photos to anything close to 'rectilinear'. Going to work on it in small bites, lining each piece together on a grid to keep everything square. Also worked on a small jettied building. I'll probably build it tomorrow night. Went with a typical Warwickshire pattern again. I really appreciate you guys that are good at this stuff
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 2, 2015 18:40:07 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 2, 2015 19:31:21 GMT -9
Now with darker roof tile and brighter brick!
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 5, 2015 13:47:11 GMT -9
I think I can use this structure as the basis for the Garrick Inn. I would then add the dormer part. I finally got the Inn cleaned up to be used as the front of the Inn, but here is where I'm going to 'extrapolate' a bit. I know that the Harvard House and Garrick Inn opened onto a courtyard at the back. In my historical fictional Stratford, this will be a courtyard for a coaching inn (yet to be designed). These courtyards, in the times before trains, were the place to catch all the latest gossip, learn about places beyond the next valley, have a brew and a meal, and if the traveling actor troupe is in town, you may even catch a play. These courtyards would be surrounded by balconies for the rooms, where the guests of the inn would have premium seats. The common folk would stand in the yard to watch. Clearly early theaters used this concept for their design. So the Harvard House and Garrick Inn are going to get balconies and exterior doors on the second and third floors on their back walls. I've got some preliminary work done on the coaching inn. I will also have to do the stables which every coaching inn had. Inn working out the Garrick Inn for scale and to get ready for turning into a model, I used various doors from various 28mm buildings to get the scale. This is my standard way of scaling buildings. I did it this way on the Harvard House, yet when I compared to the Harvard House, things were off, probably from the different types of doors. So I rescaled my Garrick Inn Front to match the Harvard House (on the top levels, the trim is at the same height from ground). Adjusted the Inn door to not look so huge.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 5, 2015 14:14:08 GMT -9
I want to see this built. I don't think I'm going to be the one to build it, but I really want to see it built.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 5, 2015 19:55:59 GMT -9
When it is done, it will be a very easy model to assemble. Sometime surely one of the gaming sessions will hit a town.
I'm wanting this one to be a 'finished product' when I post the templates. I still want these to be buildings that will be able to abut one another. So I had a number of issues that arose from eliminating the roof overhangs on each end. In the course of deciding to have this as a no-dormer version, I realized that some of the photo shadows actually made things look less realistic than no shadows at all. I really put way too much time into trying to fix the windows on the Warwickshire simple building. Took a different approach. There really are only three types of windows, so a picked the best examples of the three and put them into all the similar positions. And they seem to print well! Just because it looks good on the computer doesn't mean it will look good on paper.
This reminds me that I need to replace an image on that last model.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2015 12:18:38 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2015 18:56:17 GMT -9
Basic geometry done, except for the dormer roofs, which I'll work out physically off the test build. For the test build, I did not work out the courtyard balconies and rear exits, but left room on the pages, although I am starting to lean towards having a separate balcony module for each building. If the balcony module is a separate-page model option, the rear wall option with doors could be part of that module. We'll see. I think the template colors came out pretty good. Much better window frames this time around
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 7, 2015 10:42:06 GMT -9
Well, it is only a test build. On the original building the main roof joins the upper front wall at the point between the gables. When I brought the gables in to where they would end at the upright beams, instead of overhanging, I created a bit of an issue. On the test build this results in needing a scale 10-inch wide board that goes at the bottom of the dormer piece (at the right of the center page). Anyone familiar with the building would spot the difference immediately.
That's why we do test-builds...
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 7, 2015 18:43:54 GMT -9
And I also had to do surgery on the roof (one row of shingles off on both sides) and the back wall was off by the same board I took to add to the dormer piece. I also want to darken the roof shingles more. Dormer roofs have to wait until tomorrow. It took longer than I thought to modify the templates tonight
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 8, 2015 12:33:19 GMT -9
I haven't glued the dormer piece to the front of the building yet, so this is just to show what it will look like. Once glued, I can work on the dormer roof geometry.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2015 20:28:42 GMT -9
Well, this was a test build. The idea on doing the dormer roofs worked, but the offset main roof doesn't work for a 'model' of the Garrick Inn. It's too tall compared to the Harvard House. I do like being able to have a third floor at the rear. If the main roof is symmetric, though, the gable setup could also be used on the back, too. I've started the re-work, but it isn't to the point to print it off. Here's what version one would look like with and without the gables. I think I might do a long lost companion building based on version one. The companion building would just have one large dormer. I think it has promise, and may even be leading me back towards the original concept of this thread. Will miracles never cease
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 10, 2015 17:45:16 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 13, 2015 19:19:06 GMT -9
Well, I'd planned on getting Garrick Inn v2 printed out tonight and get the dormer roof worked out, but I'm out of Cyan. Blast it.
Mike couldn't believe how well the first version came out. I did warn him that it was a test-build and roof needed to be darker, and I had a different roof version coming, but to have someone who was there at least once a week for almost two years to be excited about it, made me happy.
I hope to be able to get v1 and v2 done by the end of the week. That will give you folks four buildings for Christmas: Harvard House, Garrick Inn v1 and Garrick Inn v2 and generic Warwickshire jettied building.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 14, 2015 19:09:12 GMT -9
Well, I have ink, but have not printed these out, yet. I want to do one last build before I post the latest versions of these buildings. Actually, I still have to do the first build of Garrick v2, so that I can have the dimensions for the dormer roofs.
Spent the evening upgrading windows on the generic building and retexturing roofs, so that things are uniform, not just close. Also addressed the issue of uncolored overhangs.
I want to get these done, because I also repainted a Korea Army Fest tank in a Christmas livery, and I want it done before Christmas. Also need to get the Mr. Bean car done.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 17, 2015 17:33:21 GMT -9
I'm going to be rather pleased with Garrick Inn II. Built the main building. Figured out the dormer roof geometry, and in printing it off, I have an extra set of front faces, so I cut out the timbers to layer the front of the building. Should have it done tonight.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2015 4:52:53 GMT -9
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Post by oldschooldm on Dec 18, 2015 7:37:03 GMT -9
Those are AWESOME!
Based on the textures, I'm not working out how you get the larger-floor-per-level construction effect.
When these are finished, I'm so making a fold-flat version - these would make excellent 1) Backdrops for other building photographs and 2) Filler in an major-city-street build for my games. (though that won't happen for awhile given that I'm running and Underdark game for the first 13 weeks of 2016. :-)
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Post by oldschooldm on Dec 18, 2015 7:41:30 GMT -9
Oh! I see it now - I was looking at the back thinking it was the front. I see the fold lines now. Very nice.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2015 8:20:32 GMT -9
I'll try to post a drawing tonight on the roof cap piece set up I used on the fold-flat I-Kube roof. It would work on this. To be a fold-flat, all you need to do is remove the underside strips on the jetties, and not glue the roof. As a teaser, the roof cap from page one, just needs a piece the width of the building glued into the cap fold. the weight of the piece allows the cap to hold the structure together rather solidly. As I said earlier, I wanted all four of these buildings in final form posted today. To continue with this, I'm posting Garrick Inn I. This is the one with the offset roof. Tiles darkened. Reworked windows and graphics from the original post. After Christmas, I still plan on posting the Coach Inn. When I do that, I will also post my optional Garrick I balcony kit, the Garrick II balcony kit and the Harvard House balcony kit. I really look at these as ancillary buildings for the gaming community. But I also wanted to have a reasonably close model of the historical buildings as seen from the front.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2015 15:27:23 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2015 15:34:59 GMT -9
Even though I played with getting different Warwickshire plaster textures from several different buildings and photos, it always came out too dark IMO, so on the generic building, I went through and just brightened each plaster section. Looks much better now, though probably not in the eyes of all those restorers who liked that other color on so many buildings. I also darkened the roof tiles. I may come back and add a dormer to this down the road.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 18, 2015 16:32:49 GMT -9
The colours look right to me (on the screen, anyway.)
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2015 16:41:57 GMT -9
I think it is a good compromise between the dark tan plaster common in these buildings and the cream color plaster that is common elsewhere. For the fold-flat roof cap, see the following diagram Edge glue a strip of cardstock the width of the actual building at the fold of the cap. I used a second 'glue tab' on the roof piece that didn't have one. Fold the glue tabs on the roof sections so that they point down. This helps maintain a straight roof line. Insert the roof cap piece into the gap until the roof cap is secure. Pull out the roof cap and everything will fold flat (if you have removed the sections that form the jetty bottoms)
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 1, 2016 14:46:07 GMT -9
As you may have noticed, I get side-tracked. I really like Chris's cart and wagon project. After doing the carriage for the carriage house, and finding that Shakespeare was instrumental in getting a 'highway' from London to Stratford-Upon-Avon, I have been doing a lot of searching for paintings, illustrations and illuminations of medieval coaches. And of course I had to look into shipping of goods, particularly wool, in medieval times. But I figure if I'm doing a coaching inn, I should do a coach. I think I know which one I'm going to do. It's from early 1600's. not overly modern, but not dark ages either. In looking at coaches, I found a stage in front of the White Hart Inn. Okay, I now know that there are about twice as many White Hart Inns in Great Britain as there are churches. So I looked for other images as this painting was from late 1800's. I now have 25 images of WH Inns that are also coaching inns, but no other images of this particular one. I would imagine that the number on the front is when it was built, not the street address. I also found another image which is food for thought Going back to the wool reference above, as sheep and wool became a major commodity in England, Weavers from Belgium and Northern Europe would send their agents to England to purchase wool. A dark ale, Mumm (or Mum, or Mumme), became popular. This brewery was in Northern Europe, but similar breweries were built in England. Plus it looks like a reasonably simple model to design. The brew house and the attached warehouse. Hmmm
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 27, 2016 7:26:26 GMT -9
Okay, I was looking for types of medieval public buildings and found this tiny market hall Doesn't it beg to be built?
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Post by cowboyleland on Oct 27, 2016 20:26:00 GMT -9
I feel like there is a lot of fiddly in all the open walls on the ground floor.
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 28, 2016 4:04:07 GMT -9
Yes, there would be a certain level of fiddliness But not as fiddly as this ... Aaron Murphy's Halloween Freebie ... murphs-models.webs.com/
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Post by cowboyleland on Oct 28, 2016 12:19:26 GMT -9
Yeah, that is crazy. I won't attempt it, but I might use the cool coffin for something someday, so thanks for the link!
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