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Post by lightning on Sept 8, 2016 9:55:10 GMT -9
I got asked a lot about the stone foundations for the Japanese castle. So I tried to see if I can make something that is sturdy enough yet as easy as possible to build. So far I have come up with this. Lessons learned from the fold-flat adaptions of the previous sets :-) This is a 4x4" module with slanted wall. It's made out of two parts that combine into the module. I used 250gsm paper so it's reasonably sturdy. It should hold metal minis. If more support is needed I could make a X fold flat structure that would fill and give strength from beneath. What I am not sure about is connection: modules on one layer and if you are stacking layers. If I do my usual little recess for paper clips on the bottom edge I am not sure if that will work for larger areas as you would have to connect the modules turned over and then flip the structure. On the other hand I am thinking of connecting from the top via slots. That way you could build the area without turning things over, but you would have little slot openings on the edges. The good thing is these could also be used to have flaps from next layers modules be held in place. Other more crazy options wold be to glue little magnets on the inside of the walls, but I think that too much/expensive. Do you have any ideas or comments to my ideas?
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 8, 2016 10:45:32 GMT -9
Would it be possible to have a base trim piece? I picture a thin square ring that the building could fit into. The ring would have the tabs that would fit into the slots of the foundation. It wouldn't have to be a very wide/tall ring, just something to keep the tower from shifting
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Post by lightning on Sept 9, 2016 19:38:07 GMT -9
A ledge of some sort to help keep the tower or whatever you put on it in place sounds like a very good idea. Maybe the sloped wall goes a little higher than the upper ground level? This would only keep in place from the "outside" but would not need anything going into any slots. Still it does not hold together. The ring with tabs sounds great. That way I don't have to build new parts that would have the flaps on them. Of course I could make glue on flaps for existing buildings/modules.
Keep the ideas coming if you have any :-) I am rolling this around in my head to let it grow and develop!
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Post by berneart76 on Sept 10, 2016 6:06:23 GMT -9
Would it be possible to have a base trim piece? I picture a thin square ring that the building could fit into. The ring would have the tabs that would fit into the slots of the foundation. It wouldn't have to be a very wide/tall ring, just something to keep the tower from shifting This is along the lines of the "box-top" idea I've been working on for my weatherboard small house, except inverted.. I decided to go with a base with double folded tabs that fold down then in and up for extra stiffness, those overlap the lower level. I the have an inner floor tile with some unglued areas for the upper floor walls to slot into. not completely fold flat, but still thin. To fit correctly, I had to make the base slightly larger than the inner circumference, abut the width of the lines (4-6 pixels) they fold down to ovrlap about 1/4 inch (5mm), and then i just take the texture of the top 1/4 inch of the lower walls and use it on the tabs to help with a seamless look.
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Post by berneart76 on Sept 10, 2016 7:35:11 GMT -9
Quick test of an L-fold on the upper wall section: You can see the 3 part upper tab it gets folded towards the un-printed side first, then folded back and glued along the 2 innermost sections, and the uppermost part extends the wall upward. For the upper tab sections, if you make the middle part about 1mm wider than the part closest to the wall, it should work pretty well and still have a close fit to the 2nd story section it will support. For
Initial Fold: Bottom Section, you can see how the "L" fold is intended to work
Upper and lower sections, if you fold the double layer inner wall part down, you can still get a fold flat structure
Unfold to box shapes and pull the inner tables perpendicular to inner wall
insert upper section into the lower ledge:
Feel free to use and share this concept!
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Post by lightning on Sept 15, 2016 23:42:51 GMT -9
... Feel free to use and share this concept!
Thanks big time! This looks very interesting, berneart76
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 16, 2016 4:37:48 GMT -9
That is pretty much what I envisioned for the modular medieval village buildings. It should work well
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 17, 2016 5:27:33 GMT -9
It is great how you guys are cooperating on this!
Here is my 2 cents: just to be persnickety: when putting siding on a real house they advise you to start at the back of the house so that the seams are less noticeable from the street. Since most people will be looking down at model buildings, would it not make sense to have the L tabs on the bottom of the second floor and have the ground floor fit inside it?
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 17, 2016 5:59:49 GMT -9
That's how I'd planned on doing it. Each module would have a recessed bottom that would 'nest' on the module below
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Post by berneart76 on Sept 17, 2016 16:43:42 GMT -9
It is great how you guys are cooperating on this! Here is my 2 cents: just to be persnickety: when putting siding on a real house they advise you to start at the back of the house so that the seams are less noticeable from the street. Since most people will be looking down at model buildings, would it not make sense to have the L tabs on the bottom of the second floor and have the ground floor fit inside it? That i how my designs are coming along, the overhang makes a good ledger board/wall cap break point.
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Post by lightning on Sept 21, 2017 4:37:20 GMT -9
Oh nooo! I cannot see Toms images! Wasn't there a addon one could install to make them visible again? As you can guess, I have started working on castle foundation concepts again. Here are a couple of renders, where I tried out modules I would need. First, different split sizes for the modules. The one in the back is with basic 4x4" grid and some parts to fill up. The other has better sized modules and therefore needs less of them. If the design is easy enough I can probably make "all possible" variations. Paper is patient! It will also depend on how I can make the texture connect. Second, tried a little castle setup and how foundations would connect to the buildings and walls. The gaps are on purpose to better visualize the modules. Also you can see a couple of connections I need to figure out where the slanted foundation wall meets the straight walls. Also will need to revisit the gate house modules. Once I have figured this all out, then comes the hard part, to test if this is a) buildable, b) strong enough and c) still looks good! If you have ideas or feedback, don't be shy :-)
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 21, 2017 4:50:22 GMT -9
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Post by lightning on Sept 21, 2017 6:32:07 GMT -9
That's fine because I use Firefox too. Thanks alot!
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