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Post by powerboy on Apr 13, 2009 19:13:16 GMT -9
Hi, I just got into SoBH and paper minis. I am working on building out a Gnoll (er..Hyena-Man Warband. This is my first pass at the Leader. Sword and Shield were cribbed from the Weapon and Elf Infantry templates here. I am pretty happy with him, but I think his right leg needs some help. I will be working on the back view during this week.
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Post by squirmydad on Apr 13, 2009 20:29:52 GMT -9
Looks plenty respectable for a first try. Animal legs are tough to get the poses right. The legs don't look too out of place on your design, but the elf parts do! I would think the grittier, nastier looking parts would be more appropriate for Gnolls. I thought there were a variety of shields and weapons in the design resources board.
I am really getting the feeling I need to start designing in parts. This way I can post the unassembled figure parts for you guys to create whatever you want.
You should definitely add this to this months HOARD. To hell with the theme, it's only there to give inspiration.
I would also suggest for the fur that you try the NOISE filter. This will give the fur some texture, and you can go a step further by adding some stippled highlights as well. Of coarse I don't know what your using to color the figure. You might also try finding a nice fur texture, then put a color copy over that with a nice transparency effect, like multiply or hard light. JIM
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Post by powerboy on Apr 14, 2009 2:15:31 GMT -9
Thanks for the nice comments!
The story I constructed around this particular Gnoll was that his warband attacked and slew a group of Elvish Infantry and stole the weapons and armor from the leader of that group.
That's why he doesn't have the normal nasty, beatup equipment you would expect with a Gnoll.
I will have to try the noise filter tonight after work and see what I can come up with.
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Post by josedominguez on Apr 14, 2009 4:55:45 GMT -9
It looks really good... should the teeth be where they are? They seem to be on the actual joint of the mandible rather than the mouth. It's really good though, I think the legs work fine.
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Post by powerboy on Apr 14, 2009 17:20:53 GMT -9
The Add Noise suggestion really paid off. It made a nice subtle texture. It really kicked it up a notch. As far as the teeth go, I was trying to simulate some snaggly teeth overlapping the upper and lower lips. I guess I was only partially successful How do I add this little guy to the HOARD?
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Post by squirmydad on Apr 14, 2009 17:29:56 GMT -9
Very nice. To add it to the HOARD, post the high res image ,300 dpi to the HOARD topic, and it will be included. I like to keep all the submissions in a single topic because I am hopelessly disorganized and will probably forget about it otherwise.
Your next step in creating cool effects is to copy a shape, like and arm, or all the fur parts, and copy them to their own layer. Fill each shape with a gradient, black outside to full white inside, then apply a transparency effect to the whole layer of OVERLAY or HARD LIGHT. This will let the colors show from below and give the shape some 3D shading.
This is how I experiment. I just copy thing to layers on top and add gradients or texture fills and apply filters until something looks cool. Using this technique, you can make the chain-mail look rusty by adding a rust texture fill to the same shape over the chain-mail, then apply a transparency effect to make the chain-mail show through.
Once you figure out how to handle layers, filters and effects, your set for 99% of what you need to know. I'm glad I could help. JIM
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Post by luckyjoe on Apr 14, 2009 17:43:20 GMT -9
I love this! I'm making 15mm SOBH Warbands. Can you make 7 or 8 variations for a Hyena Man Warband? Luckyjoe
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Post by Dagger on Apr 14, 2009 18:16:53 GMT -9
Awesome gnoll.... but isn't he holding the sword in his right hand on the front view, and in his left hand on the rear view? Maybe mirror both images, then you'll have gnoll twins... one right handed and one left handed...(grin)
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Post by Aestelon on Apr 15, 2009 1:18:56 GMT -9
Excellent point from Dagger. One or the other of the images needs to be flipped so that you have a proper front and back - or as he suggested, just copy and flip both and have two figures as mirrors of each other.
Brilliant first effort! I'm also looking forward to seeing a full warband of these guys!
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Post by powerboy on Apr 15, 2009 2:06:26 GMT -9
That's funny - I never even noticed. I flipped the back image correctly when I did a test build of him. Hopefully I will remember to flip him correctly when I post him to the HOARD.
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Post by powerboy on Apr 15, 2009 15:48:36 GMT -9
Here is the next Hyena-man in my warband. I am just going down the Hyena-man list in the SoBH book, creating Hyena-men to build from the roster. The Hyena-man archer. Not quite as well-equipped as the chieftain. I highly doubt I will be able to create multiple variations of each one, but you never know. Again, the weapons were cribbed from Jim's weapon templates.
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Post by squirmydad on Apr 15, 2009 15:50:54 GMT -9
Th bow quiver is way too small. I'd make it about 3/4 the size of the bow. JIM
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Post by powerboy on Apr 15, 2009 15:58:38 GMT -9
How is this size-wise?
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Post by squirmydad on Apr 15, 2009 18:02:09 GMT -9
Perfect! This will be a nice little set when done. JIM
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Post by Dagger on Apr 15, 2009 18:49:27 GMT -9
I asked in the HOARD section if you planned on making more... I guess this answers that question...(grin)
I really don't think you need to do multiple variations of each type... you can easily get two variations from one version just by printing a mirror image.
The archer is looking good... increasing the quiver size was a good call. I think the loin cloth needs some kind of decoration though, maybe some kind of tribal design...
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Post by stevelortz on Apr 15, 2009 19:07:26 GMT -9
Skirmisher Publishing has a booklet out (download from RPGNow for $2.99) called "A Brief History of Gnolls" by Paul Haynie, that traces the pre-D&D literary history of gnolls, and talks about their culture. He holds that the females are the dominant gender who do the fighting and occupy the positions of authority. Interesting material for anyone interested in the critters. Last year at GenCon, Paul was showing off a sock-puppet gnoll his wife had knitted for him!
Have fun! Steve
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Post by powerboy on Apr 16, 2009 2:11:06 GMT -9
Ok, I added a little bit of cheetah texture to the Archer's loincloths and lightned them up a bit and I think that they look much better now. The gnoll book sounds interesting, i will have to check it out. And, here is the wip of the next guy, the Hyena-man Warrior.
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Post by luckyjoe on Apr 16, 2009 4:05:49 GMT -9
These are looking great. Just before your thread started I was wishing Jim would make some Gnolls someday. Luckyjoe
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Post by Floyd on Apr 16, 2009 4:53:41 GMT -9
The exaggerated cartoonish look is great.
And these would fit right in with Dungeon Plung'in figures.
~F
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Post by powerboy on Apr 16, 2009 5:02:32 GMT -9
The exaggerated cartoonish look is great. And these would fit right in with Dungeon Plung'in figures. ~F Thanks for the kind words. Poking around Dungeon Plungin is what lead me here to start with. I was looking for a Dungeon Crawl Game and was charmed by the minis in DP. Reading about SoBH here got me hooked on that game. I have always loved miniatures, but I never have time to paint them anymore
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Post by powerboy on Apr 16, 2009 18:35:19 GMT -9
The Gnoll warrior is complete. The Hyena-man Guard is next, and then the Hyena-men will be complete from the SoBH base book.
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Post by squirmydad on Apr 16, 2009 18:49:35 GMT -9
I was trying to figure out why the design looked "off" just a little. I think the shield arm is over bent on the wrong direction. The arm should bend out slightly when viewed from the front.
Otherwise it looks like you are picking up new little details with each design. Very cool. JIM
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Post by powerboy on Apr 17, 2009 4:04:41 GMT -9
I was trying to figure out why the design looked "off" just a little. I think the shield arm is over bent on the wrong direction. The arm should bend out slightly when viewed from the front. Otherwise it looks like you are picking up new little details with each design. Very cool. JIM Ah, I see what you mean. I'll have to fix it after I finish up the whole bunch. Until then, let's just say that Gnolls are double-jointed
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Apr 24, 2009 14:52:10 GMT -9
Man, I'm gone for a couple weeks and I come back to more sweet things than I can shake a stick at!
Even though I'm late to the party, welcome!
I really like what you've done here and am impressed with the progress I've seen in the figs in such a short time!
An EXCELLENT beginning!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by Dagger on Apr 24, 2009 15:49:57 GMT -9
So where are you on finishing these? I'm anxious to see the completed warband.
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Post by rjstacey64 on Apr 25, 2009 6:50:56 GMT -9
This is going to be a very nice set. Great job!
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Post by luckyjoe on Apr 25, 2009 7:40:10 GMT -9
Man, I'm loving these. Any chance of making a "Hyena Man Guard with two handed weapon? That would finish off the Hyena Man list. Luckyjoe
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Post by emergencyoverride on Apr 25, 2009 7:54:10 GMT -9
Great job man! I cant wait to see the rest of them. ;D
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Post by onemonkeybeau on May 7, 2009 9:04:36 GMT -9
Hey Powerboy!
Just checking in to see how things are going...
I just received the April HOARD test build page and saw your fig on there... how are the other ones coming along?
Anything new?
onemonkeybeau
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Post by hackbarth on May 8, 2009 3:45:00 GMT -9
I think the warrior could use a bigger sword, that one looks so small in his hand...
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