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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 11, 2017 8:02:34 GMT -9
Hello. Have not much time but I build one more model by Chris from Genet Models site. Here it is Utility shuttle. I need to add extra support in a landing gear because of weight of model. Sorry for to much make up I use to much black marker on it. Have to find better tools for this job.
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 11, 2017 8:50:22 GMT -9
There is no need to apologize radoslawkamil. If you are doing models that the rest of us haven't done before, than your experiences with the models and letting us know what they are, allow the rest of us to make our models better. So think of yourself as a pioneer!! Mighty nice work you've been doing recently, if I might add. It's one thing to look at a completed model in the instructions, but quite another to see it "live". Would you be so kind as to put a 28mm or 30mm figure next to it for a size comparison?
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 11, 2017 9:10:42 GMT -9
I just make 30mm figure from set i find. I put next post with it.
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 11, 2017 11:30:25 GMT -9
Nice build. You did good work on the edging with green marker. If you want to lighten up the black marker-ed edges, you can try a light pass over them with the graphite pen (those with wooden body and a black carbon core). It would turn it into lighter gray shades. Careful with touching it later, it would dirty up your hands.
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Post by uptrainfan89 on Jan 11, 2017 12:20:29 GMT -9
Looks nice, I really need to get around to making a shuttle hahaha!
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 11, 2017 13:31:23 GMT -9
This was blue not green marker. Maybe light in photo make it look different. Thanks for advice. I will try find some other markers than black for next models.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 11, 2017 13:57:41 GMT -9
Looks blue to me
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 11, 2017 15:32:34 GMT -9
My mistake about the color, my eyes are sensitive and I use "f.lux" to display warmer colors, so my eyes do not turn bloodshot red after a few hours in front of the screen.
Warmer colors for the most part means "reduce red by some amount and blue much more", thus the blue turned up as green on my screen. Sorry about it, I will make a mental note to turn the "f.lux" of for a few seconds when commenting images.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 11, 2017 15:41:41 GMT -9
No need to apologise. It was funny conversation haha. When i read King looks blue to my sentence i smile for hour. I spend a lot time watching shows on computer and nothing bad with my eyes. But i wearing glasses with some antireflex layer so maybe that help. And anyway for blue colour i use diffrent kind of marker. For black it was whiteboard type not good for paper.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 11, 2017 17:26:28 GMT -9
I actually have some vision issues myself. Cataracts starting. I understand eye strain. The epithelial layer of my eyes does not adhere to the eyeball well, and they aren't confident that the surgery will go well. So we are waiting until the technology improves.
Many of my favorite model designers are color blind in certain ranges. They sample colors from images to get the correct colors.
Seems there is always a work-around
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 12, 2017 0:14:46 GMT -9
radoslawkamil could you elaborate about the types of markers you use? Are the other markers you have "ordinary cheap kind for kids" type, or some specialized one? Vermin King Sorry to hear about the operation issue. I hope the technology will improve (better than) fast enough. Image sampling sounds interesting, does it cover manual sampling with the color picker, or are they talking about computer algorithm analyzing the image and making the color histogram or some other chart that they can use to pick colors?
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 12, 2017 3:03:12 GMT -9
Ordinary cheap markers. Dont have any special one yet. I am sorry about this thing i can prenauce too. I simple short vision problem. Wear glasses from childhood. In medieval time I will be not the archer for sure. Cant recognize people from 5m. And tecchnics are really improve fast so there is always hope.
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 12, 2017 4:45:25 GMT -9
Ordinary cheap markers. Dont have any special one yet. I am sorry about this thing i can prenauce too. I simple short vision problem. Wear glasses from childhood. In medieval time I will be not the archer for sure. Cant recognize people from 5m. And tecchnics are really improve fast so there is always hope. I can understand that. I've worn glasses for more than 40 years now. I cannot see a clear image from more than 3 feet (about 1m) away without them. I did pretty well as an archer in school, but that was many, many moons ago. I do have excellent close up vision and I usually do all of my modelling and reading without my glasses so I can see what I am doing.
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Post by greypilgrim on Feb 5, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -9
whisper31: When I first started out "edging" my models (which was the first "skill" I picked up from my idolized predecessors in the hobby (yes, most of you are reading this - haha!), I was using a basic "Sharpie" brand black marker. Then I tried some "Crayola" brand to get more color options. I alomst immediately switched to the "Tombow" or "johnny-oBlick" coloring markers because they came in a vastly greater number of shades. Both of these brands have a thin point or brush-like tip at one end, and a broader tip at the other. I find this helps me control my edging or to make a small colored mark where necessary. I don't know what brands you have available to you. Granted, the "Tombow" are a bit pricey (about US$3 per pen); while the "johnny-oBlick", which is a wholesale/retail company with its own brandline, is not quite so expensive (about US$2). I started with the basic colors and I add another one or two hues as needed for the projects I work one - so you do not have to go all out in getting a huge assortment of colors all at once as these all all sold on an individual pen basis and you do not have to buy a large "set" or "collection" of colors all at once. I will admit that I do get very anal on my edging. On Chris Roe's Utility Shuttle and Crotale builds, for instance, I make sure I color in for the continuation of the stripes across the fold lines in between the basic color of the model. Continue your dedicated pleasure to the art of papercraft!
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Post by radoslawkamil on Feb 5, 2017 13:35:04 GMT -9
Edging is my pain from begining. I try many markers I find in market but they all sink in to paper to much. One that not sink to much is to small to paint edges and one that make it easy also make like 1mm sink black line on print site. Maybe I will need to go for some artist shop for other markers when I get some extra money. With paper miniature I dont need to worry about edges, they paint black line and sink ink from marker is not a problem, but on paper models I think to stop paint edges, they look better white than to much black.
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Post by greypilgrim on Feb 5, 2017 13:48:24 GMT -9
The "running ink" problem is the main reason I try to use a marker that is as close as possible to the color of the printed area to either side of the cut edge. The only other thing to do is to use only a slight amount of pressure of the marker on the paper. It takes practice, but it helps. Enjoy!
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Post by squirmydad on Feb 6, 2017 20:01:24 GMT -9
Image sampling sounds interesting, does it cover manual sampling with the color picker, or are they talking about computer algorithm analyzing the image and making the color histogram or some other chart that they can use to pick colors? I'm red/green color blind and when I'm texturing, or doing lighting design at my day job, I look at the color numbers to get what I need. Then I make them lighter or darker, then I ask someone with normal color vision what they see.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 7, 2017 5:08:03 GMT -9
Image sampling sounds interesting, does it cover manual sampling with the color picker, or are they talking about computer algorithm analyzing the image and making the color histogram or some other chart that they can use to pick colors? I'm red/green color blind and when I'm texturing, or doing lighting design at my day job, I look at the color numbers to get what I need. Then I make them lighter or darker, then I ask someone with normal color vision what they see. My old business partner had the red-green issue, so if he was driving and the traffic lights were horizontal, instead of up and down, we would have to tell him the colors and even then he ran a number of red lights
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Post by squirmydad on Feb 7, 2017 8:57:40 GMT -9
My old business partner had the red-green issue, so if he was driving and the traffic lights were horizontal, instead of up and down, we would have to tell him the colors and even then he ran a number of red lights I had that problem in Texas with the sideways lights.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Feb 7, 2017 9:18:15 GMT -9
I dont think I have color vision problem but I wear glasses for short vision. With out them I cant tell the diffrent between boy or girl lol 😀 It must be hard to confuse colors specially with papercrafting when sometimes only colorful picture instruction is avaliable. And with computer designs. Color samle with number is a great idea for that issue. I have problems with pain in my hands so sometimes I need long break from doing anything. Is some young version of reumatism getting worse depending on weather.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 7, 2017 9:45:59 GMT -9
That's got to be rough. Luckily, I only have 'weather-aches' from broken bones back when I was young
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Post by whisper31 on Feb 7, 2017 12:01:28 GMT -9
For me, I have arthritis and bursitis in shoulders and wrists, plus a bad case of "I-can-start-a-whole-bunch-of-projects-but-have-a-hard-time-finishing-them-itis".
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Post by radoslawkamil on Feb 7, 2017 12:04:32 GMT -9
That's got to be rough. Luckily, I only have 'weather-aches' from broken bones back when I was young It feel like that but in all hands. I have few broken bones from time I drive a bike in hard terrain and drops. I give up on that extreme sport after few times hitting tree lol.
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Post by squirmydad on May 21, 2020 16:17:01 GMT -9
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