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Post by wyvern on Feb 9, 2017 6:43:37 GMT -9
Might be useful to have a hexagonal piece for the top as an option for people who don't want to be rained on in their tents at night?
And yes, the options for surface textures (both inside and out) are legion. The interior wall-surfaces of yurts/gers are often hung with brightly-patterned textile sheets, rugs, etc., for instance.
And maybe have a slightly less uniform colouring for the exteriors as well? Worn-out panels might be replaced with newer/cleaner ones, for example, and as hunters, you never know what might prove useful for tent panels and patches.
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Post by lightning on Feb 9, 2017 7:02:02 GMT -9
Might be useful to have a hexagonal piece for the top as an option for people who don't want to be rained on in their tents at night? And yes, the options for surface textures (both inside and out) are legion. The interior wall-surfaces of yurts/gers are often hung with brightly-patterned textile sheets, rugs, etc., for instance. And maybe have a slightly less uniform colouring for the exteriors as well? Worn-out panels might be replaced with newer/cleaner ones, for example, and as hunters, you never know what might prove useful for tent panels and patches. An optional roof top is a great idea. I have it planned for the larger huts but it also makes sense for the tent. The original concept was for dry, desert regions but for more versatility a rain proof version is in order! The leather texture is just a start. The single patches of the sewn together sides will have differences. But for now I was just starting to develop patterns and used the whole leather image for the full "wall" and then slapped the stitches brush line over it. I also want to improve the leather detail as the "scales" pattern that leather usually shows is lost in this version. Looks great at 300dpi on the screen, but not on the model :-) Speaking of scales, I am thinking of different leather patterns. Cow leather has a very small pattern of the pores I guess or is it just due to wrinkling on the making-of-leather process. But going fantasy, I can imagine some dragon scales leather too!
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 9, 2017 19:11:11 GMT -9
Your second edition set could include birch bark textures for wigwams.
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Post by lightning on Feb 10, 2017 0:12:53 GMT -9
I have a question about interior for this small hut. I usually do interiors so you can play inside the building. The only way I can see making this work here is to have the whole hut come off and just have a ground plate left for moving minis around. So the interior tent walls just have to be detailed enough to look good when you look at them from the outside, right?
For the bigger huts, it will be the usual roof-comes-off-walls-stay approach.
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Post by bravesirkevin on Feb 10, 2017 6:48:05 GMT -9
So the interior tent walls just have to be detailed enough to look good when you look at them from the outside, right? Yes
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Post by wyvern on Feb 10, 2017 11:01:59 GMT -9
So the interior tent walls just have to be detailed enough to look good when you look at them from the outside, right? Well, as a modeller, I always like to have access to "more", so I'd welcome the option for full interior detailing, but whether that's justifiable from your perspective is another matter, of course. Plus it would open-up uses for damaged or partly destroyed versions too. Also, just looking over some of the "yurt" images via Wikimedia again today, there's often a deliberate use of materials and designs on the exteriors, so the patterning looks interesting and neatly-done, rather than simply "random", as well as being more likely fully wind- and weather-proof. Orcs might not be so fussy, but the option for these hut and tent designs to be used by more "civilised" folk as well means other patterning possibilities would be good.
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Post by cowboycentaur on Feb 11, 2017 7:36:01 GMT -9
Just began watching game of thrones and these shelters really remind me of dothraki tents as well.
Of course someone's probably already pointed this out, lol.
I'm in the "interiors, yes" camp but yeah they shouldn't be too detailed. Maybe just some generic light colored texture that can be printed on the other side of the cardstock?
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 11, 2017 8:14:23 GMT -9
I've probably overthought this, especially since it isn't even my project, but I was thinking of the smoke flaps on teepees, and thought a center roof flap raised on one side would work.
Since folks seem to want an interior, I would think an easy mod would be to have two adjoining side panels that could unfold to the ground for access. Well, easy without the ribs, not so easy with the ribs, unless the ribs lock the panels in the upright position
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Post by lightning on Feb 11, 2017 10:35:58 GMT -9
Thanks for dothraki ref. I haven't watched GoT. My stepson tried to convince me but after watching the first episode I found it was too much sex and violence for me. BUT obviously I am missing a lot of fantasy building art references. So thanks for showing me this path to research! :-)
About the interior, I think this small hut being ... well, small, there is not much room for interior detail, so I don't want to spend too much time on that. My idea would be a ground plane with fireplace and beds and some interesting inner walls as you can see them from the entrance and the top opening. Is there some gaming functionality that will require more detail on the inner walls? From what I have seen with tipis, there usually are just some ropes where stuff is hanging (herbs, clothing). That is my findings on what could be in there.
Mongolian ger/yurt, which are much bigger would be a different topic. I have seen interviews where they have TV and everything inside :-
I see the small huts more like scatter terrain and will spend more time on the interior the medium and large huts, just because there is more space "canvas" so to speak.
I do like the idea about converting to damaged version. I can see the use in gaming for skirmish battles etc.
Thanks for the great input so far. I have made some progress with the texturing but nothing worth showing today. I am going for a more neutral texture, a more cloth-like and a more leather version. Adding these with some color variations and maybe some decorative patterns should leave lots of options.
And I have been invited to a surprise week in the mountains by a friend, so we will leave on Monday for a couple of days with snow and sun (hopefully) in the tyrolean alps. Might be just the right environment to make progress on the development of dusty desert huts :-)
So if you don't here from me the next days, I have been stranded in an internet free valley covered in white!
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 11, 2017 12:30:26 GMT -9
Sounds like a great week. Have a blast
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Post by marzman on Feb 12, 2017 7:40:45 GMT -9
A nice "damaged" idea is to have the nice looking top cover a burned/blasted base. This gives U the utility to make it useable in wargaming where the armies might destroy flimsy tents as they raid a camp. The top part wouldn't be in the damaged part so much as it would be blown away. Thanks again for thinking of the wargamaer and nice easy scatter terrain that can be affected by artillery, spells and the random torch wielding nutjob. Come to think of it, how about a "flaming" version?, Just a thought.
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Post by lightning on Feb 13, 2017 2:26:47 GMT -9
Last pic before I am on the road ...
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Post by lightning on Mar 7, 2017 23:32:20 GMT -9
Going through variations and iterations of how to build the mid size huts. Also thinking about how to make them fold-flat. The devil is in the details ... as usual The one in the front middle is "compatible" with the smaller huts in design. The others are older prototypes. And making the roofs work ...
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 8, 2017 4:46:41 GMT -9
And you could also do a line of gift boxes! Just something to think about.
You've been very busy trying out ideas, it looks like. And even your rejects have a lot of promise.
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Post by lightning on Mar 8, 2017 9:13:45 GMT -9
And you could also do a line of gift boxes! Just something to think about. You've been very busy trying out ideas, it looks like. And even your rejects have a lot of promise. Sounds like a very kind way of saying to finish one of the ideas :-) After almost one year on the Samurai castle I was a little bit eager to go somewhere else. But actually I have ideas again for the feudal Japan setting! Bell tower for example ... At the moment I am looking in how to make the barbarian settlement roof fold flat. Something similar like the Samurai Castle roof or a new approach? Also one big design decision will be to have just simple folds for the roof or the "inserted" pole piece. Both has pro and cons. Once I have the big design issues out of the way I hope to focus on a series of smaller project so that I can release more steadily throughout the year.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 8, 2017 9:41:19 GMT -9
No, I wasn't saying to finish up. I just thought that these would not only be great for gaming, gift boxes might be another avenue of revenue off work you have already done
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Post by lightning on Mar 8, 2017 10:40:44 GMT -9
Oh you are serious! I have not thought this through but orc presents boxes ... well why not! To collect your game tokens or give your valentine a box of chocolates in a RPG setting
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 8, 2017 10:55:54 GMT -9
Actually, I was thinking of the two upper boxes in particular. Red and Gold, or with an oriental-style print for the main box and gold trim
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Post by lightning on Mar 8, 2017 12:17:15 GMT -9
Actually, I was thinking of the two upper boxes in particular. Red and Gold, or with an oriental-style print for the main box and gold trim Japanese or Chinese style could work well. As if I did not have too many ideas in my head already!
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Post by lightning on Mar 9, 2017 6:30:52 GMT -9
Tried out a little different approach for the roof fold-flat. Will try my old version too, to see what works better ... and easier. I have made this with 6+6 parts. For production this would be optimized to two halves. I wanted to see how tolerances work out with 12 parts. Underside view with the two locking parts. Not much new here to see but I put it on top of the wall assembly ... I thought I need to have this "pole" segment as connector but I think adding different corner ornaments (wood, bone etc) will still work with the simple version too.
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Post by bravesirkevin on Mar 9, 2017 7:31:55 GMT -9
You know, it doesn't actually need to fold flat to get compact storage. People are still going to store it in a box, so a little bit of bulk is bearable. If the walls of this fold flat, but the roof doesn't, I think you'll be okay.
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Post by lightning on Mar 9, 2017 8:06:50 GMT -9
You know, it doesn't actually need to fold flat to get compact storage. People are still going to store it in a box, so a little bit of bulk is bearable. If the walls of this fold flat, but the roof doesn't, I think you'll be okay. with the ornament stuff coming off one could stack the roof modules!
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Post by lightning on Mar 10, 2017 7:08:20 GMT -9
Made a couple of adjustments. Mainly simplifying and then adjusting the proportions a bit. This will be the simple build. I will go on to make a more detailed "hero" version with optional add-on parts...
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 10, 2017 8:33:34 GMT -9
You can really get a different feel for this building depending on which roof trim pieces are used. Very interesting
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Post by lightning on Mar 10, 2017 9:37:24 GMT -9
You can really get a different feel for this building depending on which roof trim pieces are used. Very interesting I am hoping that way I can achieve a lot of different "cultural" styles. I am using the wood sticks just because I have them in the textured version. But it can be without them or - if I get it right - with some cool tusk like or dino bone ornaments. And if that is not enough people can mod and scratch build whatever they want to add! The next big step after the geometry will be to make good textures for the different styles, like cloth, leather (that one I am quite happy with already) and maybe old fashion roof tiles ...
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Post by lightning on Mar 13, 2017 1:40:53 GMT -9
A couple if variations coming to life. A simple roof top cover. You could skip the extending spikes or cut them of as flat stubs. In this version I have them wood poles extending from under the roof, so the roof would be a more like a tent canvas surface. And a very adjustable mini roof as roof top. Depending on the height you use for the "inner" walls of this top roof, you can end up with just a closing top or with a little roof tower with varying height.
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Post by lightning on Mar 16, 2017 5:34:01 GMT -9
I have had a day of cleaning up my work space and found tons of concepts and sketches that I already forgot about. So I have decided I want to start archiving my sketches. And I will start with the barbarian village. I made a little post on my page if you are interested. Orc village sketchesLet me know what you think about this? It has been a good exercise to ground my work and also make boring sketches look a little more interesting
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2017 6:05:23 GMT -9
That also represents the Bender Tents of the Gypsy and Roma people. I think you are on the right track
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Post by jeffgeorge on Mar 16, 2017 8:08:45 GMT -9
For what it's worth, I'm really looking forward to these.
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Post by cowboycentaur on Mar 16, 2017 12:34:42 GMT -9
Me too! I'm already getting ideas for infiltrating an Orc warcamp.
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