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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2017 14:20:54 GMT -9
I've talked about this in other topics, and I don't know when I'll get to it, but I've collected images and have several ideas. For now, this is a placeholder for the project. In Night of the Inferno, the pilot, the first we see of the train is when West is meeting up with Gordon And since PostImage is down, this is a placeholder for 'WildWildWest1.jpg' Yes, black and white. Color happens in Season 2. Also this train is only seen in this episode, a modified Reno with a Porter smokestack and a few other changes. The train used in subsequent episodes is an Inyo, modified to look like the train in Episode 1. I meant to post other images here and point out how almost all of the exterior shell of the locomotive and tender can be taken from the trains I did for the nursing home from www.kaukapedia.com/index.php?title=Bastelbogen:_Oldtimer-LokomotiveBoth trains are 4-4-0 configurations. Between the Reno, Porter, Bowker and Virginia, most of the parts are there. Of course there will need to be some re-scaling and re-painting. I plan to add a simplified interior to the loco cab. Not having a good image, I'll probably modify an interior from one of the Zio Prudenzio Steam Trains. The SoftArt Pullman will work as a base to do the Stable/Lab Car and for the Parlor Car. I wasn't happy with my Pullman used in the nursing home display. It needed to be a touch taller and wider, but on it, I only enlarged the train as large as I could to fit on a letter-sized page. The cars in WWWest are not as long in proportion to the length. Since I'm going to be modding anyway, instead of just building a bunch of available models, I hope to have these close dimensionally. The Tender is going to take a bit of work. The tenders on the Fix and Foxi trains (for those that have them) are all too small and not very near the mark. I finally found an image that shows what the blob is inside the scrollwork on the tender. It's an '8', the number on the train from mid-season 1 on. Originally it was '5', then '33', but they changed it to '8' so that they could mirror some of the train scenes and re-cycle them for other episodes. 8's look the same mirrored. Pretty smart. I'm also going to have Gordon's Travelling Emporium parked by the tracks and a couple standees of West and Gordon. I am wondering whether it would be easier to design as 28/30 mm and then rescale for HO, or design for HO and rescale for gaming. I think the first method makes more sense. It's usually easier to reduce than enlarge. But I don't want to reduce it and find that some of the parts are too small to be built. Dunno. I've got quite a bit of time to think about it. And PostImage is acting like it is trying to work now, but not working ...
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2017 14:40:56 GMT -9
The error message on images is 'Invalid Server', so I don't think it is me this time
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 16, 2017 15:01:13 GMT -9
This is a cool and ambitious plan.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2017 15:42:05 GMT -9
Let's see if I can link to an image--
Okay, the screenshots I took while watching episode 1 on the computer will have to wait, but the Emporium is much more simple than the vardo.
For the train, here's some internet shots
The SoftArt Pullman is too new, too long, and has 6-wheel trucks, but can be used as a base
The most difficult part is going to be getting the tender close to right.
Well, the most difficult part is setting aside the time to do it
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 6, 2019 11:40:33 GMT -9
Maybe this would be a good project for PlaSeBuilMo
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 6, 2019 19:40:30 GMT -9
I think this is possible. I reviewed my saved images, and found a few more this evening. The train is currently at the Nevada State Railroad Museum in Carson City (think Shanghai Noon). When I originally considered this, I was under the impression that it was a Reno 4-4-0 modified with Inyo 4-4-0 parts. That may be true. Whether true or not, the goal is a train that looks like The Wanderer. I originally thought the Kaukapedia Reno, www.kaukapedia.com/index.php?title=Bastelbogen:_Oldtimer-Lokomotive, would give a good base to work from, but the shape and size of the firebox and boiler aren't remotely correct. I'll have to come up with my own design, which brings into question whether it can be done in a month. Even if I can't complete the full train, the Gordon's Traveling Emporium wagon, West and Gordon minis and Jim's horse, getting the engine and tender done would be a worthwhile project in itself, then if I get the coach done, the baggage/stable/workshop car should be reasonably easy to modify. I think I am biting off more than I can chew, but this is supposed to be a challenge, right? So, in the spirit of PlaSeBuilMo, I will gather images and formulate ideas, but not start actual design until April 1. We'll see how far I can get
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 7, 2019 6:35:00 GMT -9
Drive wheelbase = 8 feet. Overall wheelbase = 21' 9" 4 ft 8 1/2 inch gauge
So, the drive wheelbase at 1/56 is 1.7 inches and the overall wheelbase is 4.66 inches
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 9, 2019 7:18:32 GMT -9
I hope it isn't cheating to build a somewhat similar train, www.westjr.co.jp/fan/paper/sl/#s05I actually blew up the old version of the Yosh itysune to 200%. It has an open cab for the loco, and I like the cowcatcher better on it. This is a 2-6-0, not a 4-4-0, so it is a bit different. The tender is a lot different, but it may spark some ideas
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 10, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -9
It's been interesting researching the train. The train in the pilot is the most-photographed train, Sierra No. 3, a 4-6-0, used in so many TV shows and movies, only they switched out the '3' for a '5'. However, it was built in 1891, more than slightly newer than the years the series was supposed to be taking place.
For the series, they switched to the V&T Inyo, and not long into filming, they switched the '5' to '8', so that they could flip footage and the number wouldn't be backwards. That is why the lettering on the tender switched from 'US * RR' to '8'.
In the TV movies, the Inyo had been sold and was doubling as the Jupiter at the celebration of the Golden Spike, so they had to use the Reno, which Paramount also purchased, and modify it to look like the Inyo. 'Wanderer' was added to the tender in the second TV movie.
And in the various episodes of the show, they would not have good continuity in the train shots, sometimes flipping from one train to the other, even in back-to-back shots. Oh, well.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 10, 2019 16:18:21 GMT -9
Well, this has been good practice. I like the way they did some things, but not others.
The main reason I haven't gotten very far on this was that I found it odd that the West Japan Railway would offer a model so similar to what I intend to do. So, I couldn't leave well enough alone. Hopefully, I'll have the Yoshi finished tomorrow. Wild Wild West Japan Railway, here we come. I've got the chassis built and am working on the cab right now. The open cab requires surgery on the tabs which I have been working out as I go along. When I do the 'real' Wanderer, I'm going to leave glass in the side windows.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2019 5:46:31 GMT -9
Continuing with Wild Wild West Japan Railway Learning a lot of lessons with this silly 'What-if' project. Sampled colors don't translate well on a model. The red on the domes, number plate and wheels was sampled from images, as was the gold. Colors need to be brighter. Although I am happy with the color on the cab, which was also sampled Boiler and firebox haven't been glued down yet. On this version, the chimney and domes are tubes that fit into holes in the top, so I wanted to install those before gluing in place. Should finish this tonight and proceed to the tender
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2019 8:55:37 GMT -9
Ran out of time over lunch. I actually thought I might get the loco done. EDIT -- By enlarging to 200%, this is almost the proper scale for gaming, and on most tables would probably not seem out of scale. You know me and how I seem to enjoy fiddly bits in models and like to build small, but I honestly don't think I could build this at the original scale. Maybe that's why they post pictures of the finished train so small, so you can't see as many errors. EDIT #2 -- I still want to see if I can pull the original idea off during April, so I thought I would come up with ideas to better prepare me for it, and I was reminded of the Lincoln Funeral Car, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/8652/tweetsie-trains-buildings. During the procession of the funeral train, there were two dozen engines used. At that time the U.S. rail system was a collection of short line railroads, each with different gauges. Every time they changed lines they changed engines. Though there were nine cars in the train, only two cars made the whole trip -- the funeral car (the United States) and the officers car. These were designed by the military to accommodate the various 'common' gauges. The United States was originally to be an 1860's Air Force One, a presidential office on wheels. Ironically, only used by Lincoln after his assassination. In looking at various photos of the train, many were 4-4-0's, though I did see at least one 4-6-0. That did not mean they all followed the same design. When Lionel did a train set, they used the Old Nashville, which was the train that took the body from Cleveland. Many photos exist of that loco, and it was unusual. For the 2015 funeral train re-enactment, the Leviathan was used, a reconstruction of a typical train used. I think I might give that one a whirl before I move on to the Wanderer. I can also modify the funeral car from the Tweetsie thread to use for the WWW varnish car and lab/stable car. In the meantime, I can work out basic structure by developing better passenger carriages and funeral car for a Lincoln Funeral Train project
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Post by cowboycentaur on Mar 11, 2019 16:41:09 GMT -9
this is amazing!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2019 18:23:14 GMT -9
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Post by ignatious on Mar 11, 2019 19:08:39 GMT -9
I've been meaning to build a train for a while. One of the brothers that I work for was previously an engineer on an oil rig in Qatar. I like to interject and tell people that he used to drive trains on the oil rigs, but they must have been smaller like the ones you see at the mall during Christmas. I have an oil rig papercraft that I built to long ago to remember where it came from, and a train paired with it might make a fun and funny gift
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 12, 2019 6:58:19 GMT -9
I wonder if I can design these to be shells to fit on HO scale loco chassis and rolling stock...
EDIT --
Not only do I need to work out a new way of doing the cow-catcher, I need to come up with a big headlight. I want to mimic the 'hat' on top of the box.
The dome caps need to be thicker, too. I think that if the circle for the base of the dome cap were laminated twice as thick and the top was laminated to 4X thickness, it would look better.
Just a side note. On American steam locos and English locos the tender is the same width as the engine, but on the Japanese locos, the tender is the width of the cars, which are wider than the engine except on short lines.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 12, 2019 14:29:31 GMT -9
I think before I move on from the Yoshi, I am going to figure out how I want to narrow the tender. I've already done the recoloring that I wanted to do, and started revising the design so that it isn't so awkward to build. I may test out my cow-catcher idea on this version of the Yoshi
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Post by okumarts on Mar 13, 2019 3:45:58 GMT -9
OMG. You are the hardest working man in show business Vermin King!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 13, 2019 5:14:07 GMT -9
Oh, I think you guys that do this for income work harder than I do.
I just get an idea and run with it
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 13, 2019 8:49:59 GMT -9
Well, over lunch I re-worked the tender so that it is the same width as the locomotive. I wasn't sure why it was so long and wide compared to the wheels underneath. Keeping the wheels/truck the same, reducing everything else to 86% seems to work ... and in copy and pasting parts, I made a side view that looks 'right'. Also added the '8' to the side of the tender. Then went to work on the cattle-catcher, only to realize that the designer of the original model meant to do things the way I envision. Evidently, the designer didn't do the build for the site photos. I built mine using the photo as my guide, and it looks awkward. Unfortunately, I played with it, trying to get it to work, so I need to replace my current cow-catcher with the old one. Still need to do the light. EDIT-- When I was looking at the images of the headlight (and the bracket), I found this image Yes, this is also the image of Jim's horse Superstar (never named in the show). I also was going to use the railing from this image and the taillights. Take a look at the window openings on the varnish car. There are 13 of them with #3 and #11 blocked up. I assume that #3 is where the fireplace is inside, though there is no exhaust above. But 13 struck me odd. Evidently they weren't so superstitious back then, at least not about the number 13. That, or they were more concerned with having 14 uprights. Who knows
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 14, 2019 4:33:33 GMT -9
Not sure if this is a legitimate source. I hope the IPMC had permissions to post these, but some do not list original sources, which worries me a bit, www.renohighrollers.com/contestfreebees.htmlBut they have a Reno, and the way they did the cow-catcher is similar to the way I pictured it, only with more separate parts. Talk about a nightmare build... EDIT -- That is a highly detailed model, but as a model, some parts were simplified, and some just plain made up, and some made more complicated than they needed to be to attain shapes not seen on the actual train. It did give me ideas on how to do my headlight, and how to do the stabilizing rods for the boiler that go down to the plate the cowcatcher attaches to. Not sure why they designed it to have the bell in between the domes instead of in front of them. Even their diagram at the top shows it correctly. Oh, well
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2019 4:54:51 GMT -9
The latest version of the Wild Wild Yoshi has been printed and work starts Besides making the colors bolder, the domes will be laminated to give the caps more thickness. The bars of the cattle catcher are separated, The tabs on the bottom of the triangle they glue to will be folded down, not up, and a new piece will give us the bars that run horizontally along the bottom. The cab will have glass, not open windows. The tender is resized to be the width of the locomotive. Added the boiler support rods that run from the boiler front to the cattle catcher. Also added optional pieces to give the front of the boiler more depth and, of course, the new headlight. Changed out textures on several other pieces, as well. Working a double today, so probably won't feel like working on it tonight, but tomorrow should see the new version complete. Then I will work on the Lincoln Funeral Train
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Mar 17, 2019 8:17:45 GMT -9
Isn't Yoshi from Super Mario Brothers?
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 17, 2019 10:44:17 GMT -9
Yes, but the forum protocols changes y-o-s-h-I-t-s-u-n-e, so I just shortened it
Got a late start on this today. I do like the colors, but the cow-catcher bars need to be longer, and I need to add a panel to the back to help maintain squareness.
Back to work
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 17, 2019 13:11:07 GMT -9
Showing promise The cowcatcher maybe should be handled as a combination of lengthening the bars, and shortening the triangle they attach to. The boiler supports also need to be reduced. The headlight isn't a great match for the Wanderer's, but it is close enough with goal of being buildable
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 17, 2019 17:58:35 GMT -9
Eh, getting a bug again, so I didn't finish up the tender tonight, but I think I am getting a much better handle on the locomotive. I'm going to call this one good enough for now. After I build the tender, it will be time to move on to the Leviathan and the Lincoln Funeral Train
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 18, 2019 7:02:57 GMT -9
Thought I could finish the tender over lunch. Almost, but not quite I worked out this version mathematically, so I am rather pleased that it all is working
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 18, 2019 7:50:40 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 19, 2019 7:05:03 GMT -9
a2 + b2 = c2
That stupid cowcatcher shouldn't be pointed up at the front.
Along the horizontal to the point is 252 pixels. Going up is 178. The middle rod of the cowcatcher should only need to be 309 pixels, and it is 350.
Time to revisit this again with a clearer head.
Things that make you go 'hmmmm'
EDIT--
I think I am going to try to do surgery on the Yoshi and remove the cowcatcher, and try to replace it. Will have to try to get the boiler support rods sliced away, too.
Wish me luck
EDIT #2--
This was a repaint, so I trusted the designer (maybe that's why this is the old version, it wasn't right)
Successful surgery on the latest version of the Yoshi. Hopefully, I can get errands done and still have time to try out the new cowcatcher tonight ... maybe
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Post by shep on Mar 19, 2019 13:33:58 GMT -9
From the picture it seems as if your lower bar of the cow catcher does not come out of the engine at 90°. You should perhaps start with this lower bar and construct up from there...
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