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Post by creyates on Jan 15, 2018 18:30:24 GMT -9
Hello everyone! Another quick post tonight. Just wanted to post some concept sketches of my next paper minis unit: Named Men from the Northern Clans. I'll be posting my progress as I go along. Please let me know what you think!
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Post by pavaro on Jan 15, 2018 20:58:55 GMT -9
Nice! I'm impressed. I can not wait for the final effect. I hope you will show the stages of made.
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Post by creyates on Jan 16, 2018 4:02:03 GMT -9
Thanks very much pavaro ! I will be showing all the stages here
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 16, 2018 5:25:48 GMT -9
You evil, evil man!
If you continue this way, you'll leave other artists without bread!
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Post by creyates on Jan 17, 2018 14:45:19 GMT -9
Here's an update on the Northmen. More sketches. I also played with the proportions to give them a more natural look vs. heroic scale. I'm going to slap some color on them and then start making the minis themselves.
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Post by pavaro on Jan 17, 2018 20:58:53 GMT -9
I am asking for more and more often.
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Post by wyvern on Jan 18, 2018 6:49:45 GMT -9
I'm inclined to suggest you might deliberately market these as historical Vikings as well as fantasy humans, though they may need adjusting to reduce any less historical aspects for the former, I appreciate. Of course, down that road also lies requests for Picts, Saxons, Normans, Irish, Scots, etc., historical figures
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Post by creyates on Jan 19, 2018 7:42:29 GMT -9
My intention with these beyond making paper minis for tabletop wargames, is to develop my concept art portfolio through the creation of a cohesive setting where all of these characters (which the minis represent) are vying for resources. I'll be marketing them as part of that setting. Having said that, the minis themselves wont be tied to any particular rules system (although they are being designed primarily with KoW in mind) so people are free to use them however they wish! Now that you mention it, these guys may have turned out a little too vanilla viking for my liking. I wanted the Northern Clans to be inspired by the vikings, but still have their own unique feel and history. These seem to fall on the conservative end of the design spectrum. I think I was being too cautious of ending up with Chaos Warriors haha. Still happy with the progress though. I feel like I'm developing my fantasy aesthetic, and thats the idea! Here's half of the batch finalized.
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 19, 2018 13:04:07 GMT -9
Outstanding work. And leg proportions. No tree trunk legs.
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Post by creyates on Jan 23, 2018 13:15:29 GMT -9
Final update for this batch of sketches. I think i've got a good base to build upon. Moving on to the minis themselves!
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Jan 23, 2018 13:19:55 GMT -9
This is what results when talent and hard work get together and make out.
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Post by creyates on Jan 23, 2018 15:45:19 GMT -9
Wow! Thank you!
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Post by lightning on Jan 25, 2018 1:54:11 GMT -9
This is what results when talent and hard work get together and make out. You are so right. This is what I always wanted to create but never found the time to start practising.
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 26, 2018 7:55:43 GMT -9
This is a very convincing mix of arms and armour. It all looks "real" even though you are mixing elements from different cultures. I would like to suggest some more dynamic poses, if it doesn't mess with your "concept art portfolio" intentions.
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Post by creyates on Jan 31, 2018 6:03:41 GMT -9
Thanks cowboyleland . Suspended disbelief is something i defineitly strive for in my designs. I enjoy a more practical aesthetic than over the top. That's just my taste. I agree that the poses are all pretty static. I told myself it was to "showcase the design" but thats probably just a cop out haha! I am planning on making some illustrations to go along with the designs, and paper minis. Those will be more dynamic. I always loved the little black and white spot illustrations in the old Warhammer rulebook (back when they were more gory and dark). I grew up on that stuff. Adrian Smith and Karl Kopinski are my heroes. I hope to make some of my own in that spirit. For now, here are the first few concepts and studies of the Northern light infantry. Ah yes, I should mention that I've decided to embrace the very much Viking look. They will have wilder, older, North-er counterparts coming at a later date.
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 31, 2018 8:19:06 GMT -9
These look great! I just watched a schola gladiatoria video a few days ago that mentioned that maybe only 5% of "vikings" would have a maille shirt. If you wanted a few more figs for just a bit more work you could take the ones without helmets and shields and give them pitchforks, daggers and wood axes to make them look like farmers who were using whatever came to hand to fend off some baddies. Add in a few women and children and [BAM!] peasant set.
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Post by pavaro on Jan 31, 2018 21:14:40 GMT -9
I am curious about how will these printed figures look.
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Post by okumarts on Feb 1, 2018 3:49:22 GMT -9
Yeah, my research was the same regarding a lack of armour among Viking raiders. Cinematically, they all wear armour, but realistically, not so much. That said, I do love the look of these guys.
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Post by okoto on Feb 2, 2018 0:34:08 GMT -9
Final update for this batch of sketches. I think i've got a good base to build upon. Moving on to the minis themselves! I love their clothers, armors and other accessories
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Post by mesper on Feb 2, 2018 9:52:49 GMT -9
I love their clothers, armors and other accessories Yep, fully agreed!
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Post by pavaro on Feb 2, 2018 12:11:44 GMT -9
creyates Do you have any patent on the hauberk? I mean drawings.
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Post by creyates on Feb 3, 2018 19:48:05 GMT -9
Thanks guys! Really glad you like the designs. No pavaro, no patent.
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Post by jeffgeorge on Feb 5, 2018 22:34:04 GMT -9
Hey, creyates! These guys look awesome, and I can't wait till they're ready for distribution. I would offer one point to consider. You've got at least two minis with finished front art, it appears. As soon as possible, print those out at 30mm, and see how they look on the table when viewed from 3 to 6 feet (1-2 meters) away, preferably next to minis from two or three other established artists. That's how they're going to be seen in use. It's really easy to spend a lot of time and effort adding fine detail to paper minis that doesn't read on the game table. Minis tend to need bolder lines, higher contrast and fewer fine details than illustrations that would be printed in a book or magazine. The point at which more detail stops being a strength and becomes a liability is a matter of personal judgement, but you should definitely look at your figures at actual finished size to be sure you're hitting that level of detail exactly. But once you've got that dialed in, I think you're going to have some really great minis here.
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Post by creyates on Feb 8, 2018 18:39:01 GMT -9
Thanks jeffgeorge! They will be available end of February/beginning of March. I appreciate the critique! However, these are meant to be concept art; more of a visual reference for when I am creating the minis themselves. I like to do this step just to make sure I have the visual language down for each unit, and keep them looking consistent. It also keeps me sharp and adds to my portfolio. Level of detail and contrast for minis is always a challenge. I will keep your advice in mind! Thanks again
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Post by jeffgeorge on Feb 10, 2018 19:44:22 GMT -9
Glad to hear all that, creyates! I love your concept work, and since I'm currently starting work setting up an OSR campaign involving fantastic cultures based on Vikings and Anglo-Saxons (think History Channel's Vikings, plus Roan Studios' Bay of Spirits, plus Raging Swan's Gloamhold), I'll be able to put your guys right to work!
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Post by creyates on Feb 28, 2018 14:21:50 GMT -9
Phew its been a while! My time's been cut short since I got a new job (corner store to pay the bills). I just released this sneak peek on my Patreon page. So the Northern Clans has turned into Ranehold. These guys are Ranehold heavy infantry. Happy with them so far. Speaking of too much detail how do you guys like the chainmail?
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Feb 28, 2018 14:33:02 GMT -9
Chainmail looks good on my computer screen. If you have printer at home, test print would come in handy. Might not be too discernible from a distance. But then again, neither is the real chainmail.
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Post by creyates on Feb 28, 2018 15:36:04 GMT -9
Papercraft Warrior I thought the same thing. I like how the "links" marks kind of blend into a grey texture at a distance. Test print looks good to me. Looking forward to getting them colored and ranked up!
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Post by Toman on Feb 28, 2018 16:44:05 GMT -9
Phew its been a while! My time's been cut short since I got a new job (corner store to pay the bills). I just released this sneak peek on my Patreon page. So the Northern Clans has turned into Ranehold. These guys are Ranehold heavy infantry. Happy with them so far. Speaking of too much detail how do you guys like the chainmail? They look good but I think the posses are to close to Your goblin posses. I like your concept drawings much better then these but I will definitely be printing them when they're ready anyways.
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Post by creyates on Feb 28, 2018 20:08:37 GMT -9
Toman Thanks for your input! Now that you mention it, yes, their poses are almost identical to the golbins'. However, the arms are meant to be folded/bent into place to offer some degree of variation (and the shield glued on as well). I've found that bending the arms and slightly twisting them can yield some pretty good looking results. Having said that, I will try to change it up for the next unit. All of my Paper Armies minis are meant for the tabletop, for rank & flank games. The unit as a whole needs to look good from standing height. I approached these guys as if they were made from a single piece sculpted body and separate heads, arms, and shields, if that makes sense. I have been tempted to drop the 2.5D aspect so that I could focus more on the illustration, and get more dynamic poses. However, they need to fill up the space of the unit's footprint, and evoke that diorama feeling. It's also been a fun challenge trying to come up with other solutions for 2.5D figs for the various troop types (monsters, cavalry, 2 handed weapons, etc...)
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