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Post by Vermin King on Feb 8, 2018 12:37:15 GMT -9
Thought about modifying the Delage D8 from the Fix-and-Foxi site www.kaukapedia.com/index.php?title=Bastelbogen:_OldtimerAnd I still might ... later I want things to not have a lot of white showing, which this one would unless I convert it to the EZ Build format I've been doing lately, or add a bunch more parts Then I went through some of the models I've downloaded ages ago, and found a late 1920's Bugatti, web.archive.org/web/20080705034122/http://www.spacca.com.br/cacarecos/cacarecos.htm, still available on Wayback Machine. I remember this thing as being one that I wanted to come back to, once I learned how to fix all the issues with it (no fenders, cartoon characters, flimsy tires,...) The textures are great. It fits into the time period. It just needs some love. First thing I did was reduce the size considerably, but for my test build, I might leave it large. Probably not. As it is, it has a 29 foot wheelbase. I know they were long, but not THAT long. I've fixed the windows, have fenders the proper width to the model (still need to determine how long they need to be), added an inner front fender piece between the engine cowling and the wheels, added half wheels to back the existing wheels and the spare, and fixed a whole bunch of artifact issues. Here's where I am at EDIT -- Final 1926 Bugatti Type 41 Royale
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 8, 2018 13:33:24 GMT -9
The 1926 Bugatti Type 41 Royale has a wheelbase of 169.3 inches and overall length of 21 feet. At 1/56 which is what I usually use for vehicles, that is only a 3-inch wheelbase.
Make it a bit larger?
EDIT -- and blue roof or gray?
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Post by shep on Feb 8, 2018 13:46:20 GMT -9
The 1926 Bugatti Type 41 Royale has a wheelbase of 169.3 inches and overall length of 21 feet. At 1/56 which is what I usually use for vehicles, that is only a 3-inch wheelbase. Make it a bit larger? EDIT -- and blue roof or gray? Since 1/56 is about the scale of a 32mm mini, a 3-inch wheelbase "feels" okay for me... ...from a theoretical point of view, that is. And I think a dark or very light grey roof would compliment the blue car better than a blue roof.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 8, 2018 17:40:37 GMT -9
Okay, this is a very old model. There are great things in the graphics. Interesting auto to design as a model, but evidently 'mirror' wasn't a function in the graphics program he used. The two sides don't have the same geometry. After cleaning up one side, I flipped it and it didn't fit the other side. Nor did the roof edge and side edge line up. Spent way too much time double checking geometry tonight, and fixing the designer's fixes that didn't quite match. I had thought I might get this printed tonight. Now I am not so sure it is to that point. Maybe next week.
I also was unsuccessful in changing the blue to a darker shade. I did get the yellow and blue cleaned up, and played around with changing the yellow to red and to a couple shades of gray/silver. Never found a combination I liked as well as the original.
I should have finished the Robbins medallions and gotten more work done on the MUT
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 8, 2018 20:27:48 GMT -9
And I had to play with the colors some more I should be able to start building these next week and finalize the fender lengths and fix any issues that crop up
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Feb 9, 2018 5:07:37 GMT -9
I look forward to it!
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2018 5:18:58 GMT -9
And if I use the charcoal fenders and the original yellow, I'd have a very high-end taxi ...
I'm just trying to come up with something that says 'wealthy detective'. That last one was supposed to resemble the car in the movie 'Sunset'
The other one had a 'The Great Gatsby' feel. Redford version, not diCaprio
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Feb 9, 2018 5:53:34 GMT -9
Have you considered replacing the door color with wood panelling?
EDIT: looking at it again, that probably won't work.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2018 6:02:39 GMT -9
Not on a Bugatti Type 41 Royale. They only made six of these and only four were originally sold. The other two went to the family's estate. One of those sold at auction about fifteen years ago for about $10 Million.
No wood paneling.
The straight-eight was a trimmed down version of a 16-cylinder aircraft engine. They still have some of those motors in use in France, in trains, of all things
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Feb 9, 2018 6:44:07 GMT -9
Not on a Bugatti Type 41 Royale. They only made six of these and only four were originally sold. Would it be easy to just find out what the colors for those six were? Nothing adds realism to a model like authentic colours. I want to help You have been so kind creating vehicles for my WWII gaming that I want to give a little back.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2018 7:16:26 GMT -9
I think the photos are mostly solid colors, then there are some look-alikes out there that throws things off
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 14, 2018 16:51:27 GMT -9
7:49 and finished up my part on the Motorpool Hoard. On my last Apollo Robbins Medallion, all the parts are edged and pre-shaped. Shouldn't take too long. Might get to work on the test build of this tonight
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Post by missileer on Feb 14, 2018 17:14:35 GMT -9
VK,
Looks promising for use in my 1:100 dios. I am really interested in seeing you test build.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 14, 2018 17:19:34 GMT -9
Need to do more on Motorpool, so test build isn't going to get started tonight. And still need to finish that last medallion...
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 14, 2018 18:26:06 GMT -9
9:24 and the medallions are done and photos sent to Dave. I might get a little scoring done tonight
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 4:40:59 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 5:26:19 GMT -9
It's going to be hard to not work on this during lunch. The idea of doing the half wheels will help this to have a more stable platform. That base definitely should have had a second layer of card laminated to it, or so it seems at this point. The original designer has a V-shaped support piece to go under the car. I'd rather avoid that
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 9:09:40 GMT -9
Some more issues with this guy. Over lunch, I built one side and formed the fenders for the other. I then went back to the files to fix the fender lengths and widths. In the designer's photo in the first post, his build came out wonky. I just realized a second part of that. Not only are the single layer tires not helpful, but once you build the cabin/hood, you cannot clamp down the tabs when you glue it to the base. If you leave the back of the cabin off until the rest is glued, you can at least get a tight connection on the cabin, but not the hood. If you don't glue the hood and cabin together before mounting, it is going to be hard to get a good connection between them, but the hood/base connection could be tight, and the cabin/base connection, too, but not the hood/cabin interface. I try to avoid tab/slot, but it would help on this model. Taking tabs from the hood and cabin, and inserting through slots in the base, you can securely glue them to the bottom. Maybe do the same with the inner fender piece. Yeah, it's paper, but you shouldn't have to worry about breaking it, nor should you have to hope things line up, when a change in method can fix it
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 17:35:22 GMT -9
Some more file tweaks (I should have made the base model, before working on the variations) Even making due with the little tabs, it builds solid, and the wheels aren't at all different angles, even before adding the half-wheels underneath. The support can be pitched. So, all that remains is the half-wheels and the hood ornament
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 18:36:26 GMT -9
I really expected this test build to be much more troublesome than it was. I haven't decided which color combination I am going to do next. Silly me. I have more models than Bugatti produced.
I'm thinking the light green and cream version. From what little Lovecraft I have read, it seems that the main 'investigators' are scholars from wealthy families. I think the green and cream Bugatti says wealth, but also sportiness (it was almost 40 years after this car before any mass-produced civilian vehicle matched its displacement).
Now that the files are fixed, I want to see what a realistic build time would be.
EDIT--While fixing the files, I probably should have formatted them for the Hoard ...
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 15, 2018 20:32:19 GMT -9
I think I like the green and cream best, but I have to say I think this build might be too complicated for me?
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 15, 2018 21:42:53 GMT -9
On the next one I intend to walk through the build with photos, so it isn't going to be quick. Now that I have a build order down, a walk-thru should get you through it. Now that I have the attachment to the chassis changed, it should be pretty quick. The fenders are the hardest part, but they are slow, not difficult BTW, are you going to up the Investigators a tad? The original file I have is 25mm, and I think most folks do 28mm or larger these days EDIT-- I printed it off, but that's as far as I got And I did another recolor that I am thinking I like better
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Feb 16, 2018 1:55:57 GMT -9
... The original file I have is 25mm, and I think most folks do 28mm or larger these days ... Most miniatures are labeled as 28mm, but are around 30-32mm. My two kopecks are to offer it as 30mm (1/54) model, it will fit with most miniatures. And simple 50% print for 15mm scale. Of-course you could offer it as is, and specify that it is 25mm scale (1/64). That way you do not blur it with rescaling. People can print at 120% to upscale. Just leave enough space around the edge for upscaling without crop issues.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 16, 2018 5:01:42 GMT -9
By wheelbase, this is 1/56. I was referring to the Investigators from scarecrow's Elder Thing kit that cowboyleland is working on backs for to put in the Hoard
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 16, 2018 8:31:51 GMT -9
I have not looked at the figures for about a week. I think I should bring them up to 30mm "Onemonk standard" which would make them about 1/55 and close enough. (I think?) What do you guys suggest?
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 16, 2018 8:39:25 GMT -9
I think so
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Post by Papercraft Warrior on Feb 16, 2018 10:35:07 GMT -9
I have not looked at the figures for about a week. I think I should bring them up to 30mm "Onemonk standard" which would make them about 1/55 and close enough. (I think?) What do you guys suggest? Might I suggest the table over at TMP scalesAnother vote for the 30mm "Onemonk standard"
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 16, 2018 12:08:47 GMT -9
According to the TMP site 30mm is "theoretically" equal to 1/54 that is 1.62 m or 5'3 3/4" at the eyeline. Coincidentally, that is (as near as I can figure) exactly my eyeline with shoes on. But (even with shoes on) I am only 5'7" (170 cm) so a bit small for a hero (but apparently average for (preumably shoeless) males in Canada www.cbc.ca/news/health/height-growth-canada-1.3695398 .) If 30mm is actually (for our purposes) 1/56 scale then a 30mm eyeline becomes 1.68 m or 5'6" putting our full height (assuming my forehead is average proportion to my height) at 1.76 m or 5' 9.29" which seems better. All this goes to prove you can spend a long time thinking about figures and doing math and not have a single figure to show for it.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 16, 2018 13:58:14 GMT -9
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 23, 2018 21:23:21 GMT -9
So, I thought sometimes it would be useful to know who was sitting where if the car was used in the game so I made up this tile. I made it 3" wide so there would be room for 3 figures in the back.
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