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Post by Vermin King on Dec 4, 2018 17:37:12 GMT -9
As I am about to have three jobs, I need to work on a mindless project. At least nearly mindless As most of you know, I like vintage models, and when the Toto blog was up, I'd visit every day to see what was new, at least new to the site. One of the pieces was the Temple of Isis. It was submitted by Tom Greensfelder who picks up lots of these vintage models and only builds from scans. Tom said he built it straight, but where are all the dashed lines? Well, I didn't want to build it small. I don't want dashed lines. I didn't want the ink runs and splotches or the worn and faded spots. So I've been working on it tonight, might even get to print it. It will be a three-pager now. I also have a piece to cover that odd join on the cross beam. It's either Templo de Isis or the Honda Quad. www.honda.co.jp/philanthropy/beach/pcraft/Instead of a two page model, I now have two on one page. Still probably too large
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 4, 2018 19:24:04 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 5, 2018 16:28:15 GMT -9
If you look at Tom's photo, the blue top piece with the pink flat roof has open ends. By putting tabs along the curved edges, a blue piece was added to both ends of the roof. One more problem, though. The roof is wider than the side pieces. I can see no reason why it is wider, so I made it the same width as the sides.
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Dec 5, 2018 19:10:24 GMT -9
Three jobs? I am working two now (after four years not working, which also explains my lack of presence on this forum lately) and have almost no hobby time. What will you be doing?
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 5, 2018 19:37:00 GMT -9
My current business is a marketing director for insurance products nationwide, but revenue depends on how much and what the individual agents write. My certifications are to be doing personal production in Medicare related insurance products. I'll be working this starting in January. And some friends of mine that work at Chick-Fil-A suggested I work there part-time (off Sundays).
As I envision this, I will no longer be pounding the phones for my primary work from 7:30 AM until 6:30 PM. Three days a week, I'll be closing at 4 PM. I will also be running three appointments a week with 'Aging-In' Medicare Beneficiaries, late morning or early afternoon. Then Chick-Fil-A will get me three nights during the week and then Saturdays.
I'll be following my advice to the insurance agents I work with. 'Success is a three-legged stool. You need three strategies to provide income, because each month one of those strategies will fall flat on its face'
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Dec 5, 2018 22:25:43 GMT -9
That will keep you very busy!
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2018 4:23:19 GMT -9
I also want to do something like this done by Joslin on DeviantArt
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2018 5:43:20 GMT -9
The temple would be wrapped up right now except I am trying to salvage the figures that go with it. I'm afraid that it is wasted effort, though Well, over lunch, I played with the figures. Used Gaussian Blur to get rid of the lizard skin, then pasted in flesh tone and adjusted opacity. Not great, but I don't want to spend much time on these as I don't think anything short of re-drawing them would really help that much. Since I went with the enlarged multi-page format, the column pieces are fused to get rid of the bizarre join that was front and center. I think this will get it ready to print. I know this isn't perfect, but it is colorful, which judging by the archeological traces found on many of the Egyptian buildings, it probably isn't that outrageous. Sometime, I do want to do that other temple gate like Joslin did for a computer game (and she was a bit touchy when someone suggested turning it into a papercraft). Instead of doing it as a jackal temple, I want it to be another part of the temple complex for Isis. Speaking of Jackals, has anyone done the statue at Paper Replika? paper-replika.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4125&Itemid=200749
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2018 13:27:43 GMT -9
Printed this guy at lunch and mounted the base on backer board, so I'll start work on it tonight Oops. The way this is designed, there are tabs that get glued onto other parts, and there are numbers on the tabs. Too late to fix it on this one, but I think I will make a slot and glue the tabs on the inside. But this build will have a blank spot where the tabs should have glued. I will change the templates, though. BTW, Glenn's Temple looks great, www.rpgnow.com/product/84691/Pharaoh-the-Temple?manufacturers_id=797
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Post by cowboycentaur on Dec 6, 2018 14:18:36 GMT -9
Wow they look awesome!
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2018 17:09:12 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 7, 2018 7:57:29 GMT -9
Well, I'll be making another one of these, with the changes I envision. It needs to be beefier, which I've indicated along the right edge. The cross beam needs to be a box. The pillar bases need to be boxes. Both of those need to be deeper pieces, too. The edges of the pillar section could then be deleted, since all they do is add visible tabs and white interiors. The sphinx bases will be boxes of the same size, instead of boxes with the backs and bottoms missing. Sphinxes will be two-sided. Arch pieces inside the doors. Gets rid of some whiteness and will make things more solid. It looks good as is, but not overly useable. Considering how this was originally a large post card model, and was enlarged 280%, of course it will have some issues. If it were original size, printed even on 67# paper, it would be more solid, and the numbers and white areas wouldn't be as noticeable. I'm still glad I built it finally, but I really want to make it better. EDIT -- If I use modifications of these graphics to do the gateway, similar to Joslin's, that would be part of the same complex, with the actual temple in between. I picture the temple section as basically being a box with a removable flat roof. Central walkway/gathering area flanked by columns with smaller walkways near the decorated side walls. If I do this right, it would make a pretty good Papercuts 2019 project EDIT #2 -- From the Philae Temple, www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/isisphilae.html#gateSo, doing the Joslin-style gate as First Pylon, and the modified model above as Second Pylon, with Outer Courtyard between, and then the Sanctuary. Could be a decent project
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Dec 8, 2018 7:14:08 GMT -9
Mmmm... functional high-contrast Ancient Egypt scenery! As opposed to the low-contrast and ruins Egyptian scenery already out there. I want this for some Ancients gaming scenery.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 8, 2018 8:15:50 GMT -9
I had a rather lengthy response, but when I hit Post, Comcast decided to be Comcast.
Shorter version is that it is easier to model something you can see, and then expand it. Since few exterior painted surfaces remain, it is harder to guess what is 'right'
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Dec 8, 2018 18:31:36 GMT -9
I had a rather lengthy response, but when I hit Post, Comcast decided to be Comcast. Shorter version is that it is easier to model something you can see, and then expand it. Since few exterior painted surfaces remain, it is harder to guess what is 'right' Oh, I am totally on board with that. I just want what you are making anyways
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Post by lightning on Dec 9, 2018 0:30:53 GMT -9
Good luck with your many jobs. When I quit my "regular" job and went full time paper modelling, I think I was a little naive :-) Now I work more than ever!
I love the Egyptian builds. Always been a big fan since I was a child. Hope the mindless work helps cope with the rest!!!
Chris
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Post by sunraven01 on Dec 9, 2018 8:04:32 GMT -9
Oh man I love that jackal. I want that.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2018 9:12:23 GMT -9
I haven't checked to see how well the Paper-Replika jackal will reduce, but I did download it ... just in case
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2018 16:39:09 GMT -9
Today isn't going as planned, and I don't feel like building a model right now, so tonight I have been working out what needs to be done with this model's texturing and geometry before moving ahead. This was a hand-drawn model, and as such, not everything is 'proper' by today's standards. Right angles aren't 90 degrees. The round ends on the blue top piece aren't the same geometry on any of them. Most of the textures are skewed, and they aren't evenly spaced in the areas they inhabit. So, I am working on squaring things up, making things more geometrically correct. Yes, at this point, I made this buildable, more-correctly scaled for our use and improved the textures. But to turn this into a more acceptable model of a Pylon for the gaming table, more work needs done.
The other route I could go is to work on my geometry and paste textures in, but pasting skewed textures in seemed like it might be more work than fixing things first
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 10, 2018 9:12:04 GMT -9
Last night, I got the p2 building face done. Symmetric now and images are no longer skewed. P1 is a work in progress
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 10, 2018 16:23:10 GMT -9
Was working on the page 1 face, with an eye for the changes I wanted to make regarding the column pieces, and what to my wandering eyes should appear? An anomaly. Opposite sides of the same structure and shadow run left to right on both sides. Equatorial sun doesn't explain this phenomenon. So in the original designer's world, Egypt must have two suns, or something. Now, which side do I want to flip? I think the one that doesn't have things glued to it.
EDIT --
It was a good feeling when I flipped the image, pasted over the original and it fit. I didn't know if the vulture looking to the right had a religious significance, so I turned his head so that he is still looking to the viewer's right
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 11, 2018 9:20:21 GMT -9
This little guy is going to be broken up into elements and then put back together. I had mentioned above that I was wondering if doing my own geometry and pasting the artwork in might be better, and I think it will be.
Having non-skewed up-down/left-right elements will help not only in my mod of this model, but also for the second pylon/gate. I'm going to give the sphinxes more rectangular beards, like what you see on the processional sphinx statues. Easier to cut out and probably more like what the statues should have. The sphinx statues directly added to this will be slightly larger than the ones I plan on doing for the processional
I haven't had time really, but I was wondering if anyone had checked out the paper replika jackal, yet
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 12, 2018 17:03:05 GMT -9
Still not done with product certifications, but orientation and initial training are done at 'the other job'. Start work tomorrow night as 'Front of House' Supervisor. They say they want me for 30+ hours a week, so time is going to get limited really quick.
I'm going to get as much done on this tonight as I can
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 13, 2018 16:26:53 GMT -9
And that wasn't much. I was told not to start until Tuesday now, so I will have some time to work on this before time disappears. I worked out new 'similar' geometry for the main pylon, but with the main points of the templates aligned with my grid set at 75 pixels. In debating about the curved ends (tabs on the faces or on the roof extension that wraps under), I realized I was spending too much time on something that should go away. I have seen ZERO temples with this feature. So I thought about doing top pieces like on Joslin's temple gate, and I haven't seen those on any temples either. It should look like a slab that overhangs the main building. So, I'm going to change it. In keeping with the motif of the Templo de Isis, I'm going to make it the same blue.
I do like the shadowing on this model, but I'm debating on whether it should be so dark
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 14, 2018 13:33:26 GMT -9
Boy, I must be pretty good at making models work. Since I have been breaking this up into elements, in order to adjust them to fix my new geometry, I am seeing just how skewed most of this was in the original state. Not sure when I will have this done, but it will certainly be much more symmetric and easier to build
But you must admit. It looked good
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 20, 2018 5:24:20 GMT -9
I suppose I ought to wrap this up before I move on to the Shakespeare Birthplace.
My day job is Monday to Friday, off the normal holidays. I'll be working the part-time job four nights during the week and Saturdays (and Christmas Eve and New Years Eve). My insurance-related third job will be sandwiched in on late mornings and early afternoons, starting in January.
There isn't going to be as much time. That's why I think I am just going to whittle away at larger projects for a while. A little bit here and a little bit there.
I hope to have this pylon done by end-of-year. Second pylon and the courtyard and temple will be down the road.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 21, 2018 9:55:52 GMT -9
Couldn't sleep last night, so finished off the main pylon and worked on the column portion that sits in front. Since I am changing the geometry, would folks prefer to have the base re-done with the new geometry?
When the column pieces are done, I will do the sphinxes that sit in front.
This got me thinking about the other portions of the temple complex. As this would be the pylon in front of the 'temple', I thought I would skip the inner courtyard for now and will work on the actual sanctuary portion next. It would basically be a room with those same columns moved in from the walls enough to have a walkway between the columns and walls. The deity statue would be at the far end (which is already done, except for modifying the base, and maybe enlarging). As the columns are going to be 2D, I think I will have them set on the diagonal on the bases. That way they will be visible from both views (looking toward the statue and also looking at the walls). Now there should be a cap piece that goes along the ceiling that frames the sanctuary between the columns and from the entrance to the idol. Frame is the key word. Like a picture frame, without beveled edges. I see this as a piece that makes the columns more secure and defines the space for the sanctuary. Is that something that folks would like included?
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 22, 2018 11:34:12 GMT -9
I find out tonight if I'm working Monday. If not, I plan on taking this project with me to my folks over the holiday. Just a little progress report. Since I will be using the columns in the Temple Area and Courtyards, I've been playing with them to see which one I like best, evening them out, enhancing shadows and outlines, and working on the color a bit. Haven't decided which I think will be best yet. I'll be doing the same thing with the Sphinxes, since they would line a Processional to the complex and would also be at the end of the Inner Covered Courtyard, before entering the Sanctuary.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 23, 2018 18:33:13 GMT -9
I really hate that I didn't finish up the pylon today. But it has been interesting with the looking for references on the coach steps and way too much time looking at temple walls. I'd like to actually have Isis Temple walls, even if they aren't from Philae. Historical? Educational? Heck no. Only tours and blogs. So, I started watching videos and doing screen captures. I should have had this done today. Have to start my Christmas shopping tomorrow, so no time for it then before work and traveling. Doing doubles the remainder of the week (the joy of two jobs). The big Christmas get-together is next Sunday. I need to stop thinking about the temple and just get the entrance pylon done. Yes, I'm whining about my own behavior ... LOL EDIT-- Still have to clean up the statue and sphinxes. Need to create the sphinx bases matching geometry to the white rectangle. This should have been done today. Sorry. Yes, I decided to have the columns slot in. I'm thinking that will be the best way to seat the sphinxes and the statue, too
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 27, 2018 6:12:00 GMT -9
Well, when I gave it a look-over this morning before doing this post, realized I had some of my 'working' pieces left on the fourth page, but I think it is done, as far as a modernization of the original model. I'm going to do a different Isis statue for my entry for the Hoard. Found several that would work, and will have to see which one comes out best. Got off work last night and decided this needed to be finished, though I didn't feel like working on anything. I didn't re-work the base, but since no one said they would like it, I haven't done it, though it wouldn't take much time. Since I squared everything up and gave it a bit more bulk, I was very conscious of developing the next piece from the new geometry of the last piece, and I've gone back and checked and double-checked to avoid errors, so I think this should all be good. Working two jobs doesn't leave a whole lot of time. I really wanted to do a basic temple to go behind this, but it will have to wait. Not real sure when I am going to find time to build this, but it will get done
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