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Post by Vermin King on Jul 27, 2019 10:24:32 GMT -9
Back in the day, we used to have a lot of fun playing Car Wars, The Road Warrior has always been one of my favorite movies (who says sequels are never as good as the original?), and a surprisingly large number of my paper vehicles are 4X4's (AirDave's, Christopher Roe's, Volker Preikshat's and Papercruiser's mostly, not to mention the military models. So when Dave started posting Gaslands material, I started thinking about stuff I'd like to do. Then okumarts posted about Armageddon Outta Here autos. And oldschooldm had his Atomic Highway posts, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/6942/atomic-highway-papercraft-props . I'd already done a civilian Peterbilt Pickup based off of kiladecus's Camel FAAV, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/post/73065/thread . I really enjoyed re-imagining that Ultra 4 dune buggy, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/post/96936/thread. And I'm working on the Snake Truck. I think I'm going to spend some time concentrating on doing some of these for a while. Someone may even find them useful. In my picture of the Wastelands, I think there will be 4X4 hotrods, jalopies, dune buggies, and a bunch of vehicles based on police, rescue and military vehicles, and maybe some farm vehicles. And we could really use some motorcycles (and maybe camels). I have a very hard time concentrating on other things until I scratch this itch. I think there will be vehicles in three classes-- easy, intermediate and advanced. Part of my issue with the Snake Truck is that I don't want it to be an intermediate model, so I keep trying to think of ways to turn it into something easier Snake Truck Complete--Wasteland Buggy 1Wasteland Buggy 2Wasteland Buggy 3
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 27, 2019 10:55:30 GMT -9
I've done quite a few foldover motorcycles, and had the firtbikes recolored. Tell me what else you need.
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Post by okumarts on Jul 27, 2019 11:09:42 GMT -9
This is coming at the end of the month.
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Post by kiladecus on Jul 27, 2019 11:44:35 GMT -9
All I am going to say is there is something on it's way.... the DOOM BUGGY.
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Post by okumarts on Jul 27, 2019 11:57:33 GMT -9
All I am going to say is there is something on it's way.... the DOOM BUGGY. It's doom-a-riffic!
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Post by kiladecus on Jul 27, 2019 13:09:22 GMT -9
It's doom-tastic! And THE most versatile model I have ever designed! It's like the Mantis and the Camel had a child...
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 27, 2019 17:41:05 GMT -9
This is coming at the end of the month. I am assuming there would be vehicle rules included. Could you give us a hint at vehicle types and weaponry types? Road Warrior had lots of harpoons and pneumatic darts
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 27, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -9
I've done quite a few foldover motorcycles, and had the firtbikes recolored. Tell me what else you need. I've watched Road Warrior three times since I recorded it. There are a lot of motorcycles in it, most of which seem fairly normal. cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/post/96654/thread
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 27, 2019 18:13:37 GMT -9
They're all fairly normal. Just asking if you need anything besides what we've already done for Hoards.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 27, 2019 18:41:37 GMT -9
I've got a bunch of ideas on what I want to do, but frankly, I would rather concentrate on vehicles than armament, so any help on types to add will be helpful. There are several models of the Interceptor, but I thought I would do the red XA/B from the movie. Instead of the De Soto in pink, I did think I might do a '56 or '57 Chevy, not pink. I still have parts of my old race tracks. I had a true HO racetrack and the Aurora AFX tracks. I had two Aurora Nomads, and I turned one into a pickup with a tonneau cover. I'd like to do a Nomad pickup in paper. I want to throw a couple of '40's hotrods into the mix. And muscle cars and souped up regular cars (quite a few in Road Warrior). I'm having issues locating some of the movie cars, but American would work or Brazilian or whatever. I think anything ever used as a police or highway patrol vehicle should be considered. I don't think stopping mid-1980's is necessary any more either. One thing that still surprises me in the movie is the lack of Utes. Australia was home of the Ute, wasn't it? The movie was also ahead of the popularity of SUV/CUV vehicles. If the Apocalyptic scenario happened today, I think there would be a reliance on Utes and SUV's. I'd like to do an Avalanche, too. The wasteland used to be rural wherever. There should be a few old farm trucks- haulers and daily haulers. Maybe even a tractor or at least tractor parts mixed into other vehicles. The Humungus truck could be re-imagined as a six-wheeled tractor. Armored tractors and unarmored would still be useful, where hauling capability is more important than speed. And why are there no Jeeps? There ought to at least be Toyota FJ's or Landrovers, right? Even an International Scout, maybe. Or Bronco or Blazer And if it happened today, folks would definitely be repurposing military vehicles. Those are just some of my thoughts. My next goal is to finish the Snake Truck at an intermediate level, then I want to do a more correct Ultra 4 while it is fresh in my mind. I think the new version will be still an easy model, but much closer to what it should look like. After that, I'm not sure which will come next.
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Post by okumarts on Jul 28, 2019 7:21:34 GMT -9
This is coming at the end of the month. I am assuming there would be vehicle rules included. Could you give us a hint at vehicle types and weaponry types? Road Warrior had lots of harpoons and pneumatic darts Just minis, I'm afraid.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 29, 2019 6:30:22 GMT -9
Took a lot longer getting the shipping containers done than I had planned, so not a lot of progress.
I did find some excellent 'cage' images for the buggies. Basically the cars without the panels. I think that will be helpful.
I found a couple Ute model photos, but no templates, however, the Crocodile Dundee Ute photo is a Ford from the 70's/80's. I think that it looks like an extended wheelbase Falcon. I now have a reason for spending so much time on the silly Pinto. Change the grill to quad headlights, lengthen the wheelbase, and lose the hatch, and I will have an excellent proxy for the Ford Ute.
I had mentioned the Nomads and Belaires that I want to do. Hyperfanauto has a '56 Chevy, BilsportJr has a '57 Chevy, AirDave has a '55 Chevy and PaperToys.com has a '55 Nomad. When I do a model, I look for other models of similar vehicles, and figure out what I like and dislike about each one, and sometimes will build a couple to see what I want to do different (like I did with the Pinto). Funny thing is that each of these handles the A-pillar differently (the one next to the windshield). I think I might just have to take some internet photos and design my own from scratch. Which seems totally weird, since there are four similar models out there.
So, tonight, it's back to the Snake Truck. Then I'm doing the better Ultra 4. After doing that, I plan on doing a Jeep version of the Ultra 4, which really is what Scherer's buggy is supposed to be (check the grill). After that, it will either be the Nomad or the Ute, then another buggy
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 30, 2019 6:05:06 GMT -9
Didn't get far last night, but have the cabin dimensions done, but not seats. I originally thought of doing the seats as a sort-of pop-up. That's how they were done on the old Jaguar. But I thought folks might prefer doing the seat base as a box. Still working out the seats. Got the top of the wheel well worked out for the bed area, but haven't fully decided on how much depth illusion to give the bed. Did a little work on the plate for the back end. Still need to finish these things up, the roll bars, the tow mechanism and the wheels Also worked on the BelAir/Nomad. Couldn't decide on doing a '55, '56, or '57. I like all of them, but the '55 and '56 have the tail lights high on the rear fins, which means the fins need to be triangular. On the '57, the tail lights are in a bump on either end of the bumper. Doing a '57 would make a much easier build. And they do look sharp and are easily identified for what they are. Funny thing. The gas filler door is on the side of a '55, but on the '57, part of the back end of the fin hinges out to reveal the fill nozzle
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 30, 2019 14:53:42 GMT -9
Did pop-up seats. Got the framework started on the roll bars. I'm actually itching to see this put together, but I need to get the hoist and tail end done first But at least I resisted the temptation of distraction over lunch today
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 31, 2019 5:45:24 GMT -9
Got a bit more done last night. I think I will finish up the tail end over lunch today and start the hoist I knew everything wouldn't fit on one page. There is still room on this page for the tail end down by the grill, which I think is going to be the plate without hoist attachments. On the second page will be the tail end with hoist attachments, the hoist and the optional 3d wheels. I might do the box seat bottom and the pneumatic dart launcher. It is going to be crowded in the bed... EDIT-- Took longer to get rid of the hoist attachments than I planned for. Also, had to play with things to give the illusion of curves on a square vehicle. I want it to look 'right', for those who do not use the rear plate. Also need to make it look right with the plate attached. I had forgotten about the notch at the top of the plate. Thinking about build order, and realized that I don't need doubled tabs on the windshield, so I removed the inner set of tabs I think I might do a WIP build on this before proceeding to the hoist
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 31, 2019 19:39:52 GMT -9
I am very impressed with the amount of effort and attention to detail you are putting into this project.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 1, 2019 4:10:02 GMT -9
Thanks. Starting the WIP build. Going to change the format a bit. As is, the tabs on the floor need to be glued to the side insides before gluing the sides together, leaving a long strip of tabbed sections in the way. I printed this one on Fast Print, so quality of print is poor, but it is only a WIP. Next version will have an undercarriage panel attached to the outsides. Once the sides are glued together, start by gluing the untabbed floor to the reverse of the undercarriage. On the bright side, it all lines up, so I got the measurements correct EDIT-- Here's the new version. I'll continue with the WIP tonight and see if anything else needs tweaked
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 1, 2019 18:19:52 GMT -9
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Post by okumarts on Aug 1, 2019 19:23:46 GMT -9
Two sets should be out tomorrow.. There is also this cute little buggy.. Doom Buggy...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 2, 2019 5:02:09 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 2, 2019 9:18:19 GMT -9
Tweaked the windshield geometry for a better fit and colors on the interior over lunch. Started work on building the tire treads from the post-production photo I showed in the other thread. Here's the revised basic truck
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 3, 2019 10:13:50 GMT -9
And I now have the tire treads done I think I will put the front end on the center strip, even though it will not have the extra driving lights. On to the tow hoist
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 4, 2019 8:48:51 GMT -9
When I started this, I knew the back end would be cluttered (or since I plan on doing a couple Utes, I guess I should call it a 'tray' to honor the Aussies). If someone wanted it for a game, there would be no space to place a figure around the stuff. By having an illusory tray, the legs of the hoist would not extend as far out, and tray walls would interfere less with the basing of any figures. I am second guessing that now, but I'm still going to proceed down that path.
I've decided not to do a more correct Ultra 4 next. I want to do the buggy with the iron cross on the front and the gas tanks up where they would interfere with the driver's vision and would yield certain death to buggy occupants should one of them explode. It is so ludicrous in its design, it has to be done. And it should be easy. Except for the fuel cylinders and 3d wheels (optional anyway), this may be the easiest to build of the series.
Then I want to do the Ute. Since cab and front end geometry will be very similar to the Pinto (since they were all Falcons, either XC,XY, XW, etc., it should be a lot quicker to design than this truck is. After that, I am very unsure. It would make sense to do the blue F100 wrecker. It would also make sense to do a straight pickup, or a flatbed pickup or all of those. On the other hand, there should be more buggies. On the other other hand, I still need muscle cars and classics.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 4, 2019 12:49:05 GMT -9
Last night I woke up at 3AM with an idea of how to do the wrecker frame and the 3d seats. I guess I should have gotten on the computer then. It is more difficult when you are plugging away instead of inspired. So, I've spent the day distracted instead. Work a little, explore the net a little. The more I look at the wrecker part, the more I think it is a non-functioning mock-up of the blue F100's mechanism. Oh, well.
The main issue is that the parts for the main arm either need to be a long thin box with a wheel inserted in the end or four layers of laminated parts, which is the better solution in my mind. The support arms would then be three layers thick, extending from the wheel well up to the central arm. The rear contraption also seems to be best done with laminated parts. You may have noticed that I keep a lot of model parts and images on my working pages. That's just so I can keep them handy while working out the measurements on the geometry. In this case, I still have to go back to other images. Enough talking, time to get to work ... or fix dinner
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 4, 2019 17:01:09 GMT -9
That mechanism with the rubberized straps at the back is the big hold up. I was trying to work out how to make it a 3d piece. Hinges sticking out the back, then the inverted 'Y' goes upwards parallel to the tailgate, then angles up to the upper crossbar leaning against the main arm where the supports attach. Those straps attach to the upper crossbar. Then I saw the chase scene image where the straps are dangling out the back. They cover the attachment points. So, if I do the straps so that they mimic the upper crossbar when folded over, with the inverted 'Y' only visible between the straps, it becomes an easy part. Frankly, I'm a bit frazzled figuring this out, but I wanted to get it written down, so I'll remember the idea tomorrow night.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 6, 2019 14:09:01 GMT -9
I know I've been quiet, but I have made a little progress. Decided against the pneumatic dart launcher. I'm afraid it would be spindly, difficult to build and my experiments have been unsatisfying. Need to do the 3d seats tonight and print a good copy, and make sure my changes did not mess anything up. If I don't get it printed tonight, it will probably be next week before it is built... The beams and supports for the hoist will be fold-overs with overlays. I actually plan on putting an extra layer between the fold-overs. I threw in some laminated parts to give a little depth (hood and side pipes). And since most views have a spare tire in the back, I added parts for a spare
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Aug 6, 2019 20:11:59 GMT -9
The pnuematic launcher can be made more efficiently with wire or toothpicks. Have you considered making the sides look dusty?
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 7, 2019 3:09:49 GMT -9
I just made the sides from this image It never really looks all that dusty in the movie, you know. Dust can't hold on at the speeds they drive
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 7, 2019 3:19:37 GMT -9
The pnuematic launcher can be made more efficiently with wire or toothpicks. Have you considered making the sides look dusty? I was thinking the same on the dart launcher. One other thing about having the tray set up like this, is that the launcher stand can run through the two layers of the bed area, making it more stable, if you make it out of thick wire or thin dowel
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Aug 7, 2019 8:43:15 GMT -9
It never really looks all that dusty in the movie, you know. Dust can't hold on at the speeds they drive Oh, I am well aware! I just like things dirtier lol! ...and I'm not great at dirtying them myself.
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