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Post by Vermin King on Nov 25, 2019 5:09:58 GMT -9
Those look great. Are you going to do steps or ramps for the floor? EDIT -- I should probably give a progress report on the Rialto Bridge. Not much. Still playing with my dune/drift exercises, partially to do dunes and drifts, but mostly to develop the round roofs over the shops. On that little model, it is so small that they are counting on builders to fudge things to get it to fit. We don't have that luxury on the larger model. Also on the small model, there are two parts that are totally not correct. But as you all know by now, I like to see how others accomplish things, so I don't repeat their mistakes and can create something that is easier to build. So studying it has been important. I have yet to figure out how to break up the sides of the bridge. Like in Zoe's Dinos, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/8084/zoes-prehistoric-christmas , I want the seams to not show much. The joints in the stonework is the obvious place to do this, but at two feet, each side is going to require three facing parts. These have railings which need to be fold-overs that don't look 'pieced together'. Similarly to your roof on the Palazzo, the bridge decking will slot into tabs that stick out at the base of the inner railings. Bridge decking is another issue as to where to put joins. Logic says to have the joins at the bend where the decking levels in the middle, but that doesn't work because it will require other joins somewhere before you get to the ends. I got a little sidetracked while trying to work it out. At each of the shops, there is a sloped longer section with steeper steps at each end. If I were to incorporate that as a series of sloped ramps, I would have all kinds of places to hide the join, but it also makes the build and design more complicated. Needless to say, I have a lot more work to do
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Post by shep on Nov 25, 2019 12:48:36 GMT -9
Those look great. Are you going to do steps or ramps for the floor? I'm doing steps, 6 cm wide and 2 cm deep... Hence those red lines. That very much sounds like my troubles with the Three Investigators HQ. I still could not figure out how to round that Airstreamer roof...
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 25, 2019 13:01:39 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 25, 2019 18:00:25 GMT -9
Did a google maps tour of the Rialto Bridge tonight and the Palazzo di Santa Soffia On the bridge, the center walkway has the system of five steps and an almost level stretch. Both outer walkways are straight stairs. It seems so strange that plans, blueprints and 3d models all have errors. Even when they show dimensions, none of the dimensions match, except when they plagiarize someone else's work. I suppose I need to stop sweating details. I really like the Palazzo's neighborhood view
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Post by forgedchaos on Nov 25, 2019 18:24:02 GMT -9
now that's an inspirational photo
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Post by shep on Nov 26, 2019 0:10:08 GMT -9
Did a google maps tour of the Rialto Bridge tonight and the Palazzo di Santa Soffia On the bridge, the center walkway has the system of five steps and an almost level stretch. Both outer walkways are straight stairs. It seems so strange that plans, blueprints and 3d models all have errors. Even when they show dimensions, none of the dimensions match, except when they plagiarize someone else's work. I suppose I need to stop sweating details. I really like the Palazzo's neighborhood view Well, you can view the outcome of your research as a challenge or as a blessing. Either you'll be the first to create a true scale paper model of the bridge (the challenge), or you are totally free to go as you please (the blessing). You decide...
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 26, 2019 4:19:17 GMT -9
Google Street view is frustrating. The palazzo to the east is one of the rare sites with a street side garden. It doesn't let you walk into it for a better view of Ca' d' Oro's east side. Even though it allows you to step onto boats in the canal around the bridge, it doesn't allow that in front of the palace. Couldn't even get onto the water bus landing.
Yes, when you do a model, there is compromise, but I want things to be somewhat close. Like the artwork on the sides. On the south there is an angel on the west and Mary on the east. On the north side on the west is saint mark and on the east is some famous (at the time ) politician. I can't read the plaques, but I can include what I can see. Most of the models don't. Most do the wharf stairs on all four corners. Northwest corner is different.
We will just have to see what can be included and what cannot
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Post by shep on Nov 26, 2019 21:47:31 GMT -9
You cannot trust street view. Taking "walks" through Cologne, I found out that in one street (that I know) Google simply mirrored a stretch (about 50 m) of the left side of the street...
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 28, 2019 12:08:18 GMT -9
Those look great. Are you going to do steps or ramps for the floor? I'm doing steps, 6 cm wide and 2 cm deep... Hence those red lines. That very much sounds like my troubles with the Three Investigators HQ. I still could not figure out how to round that Airstreamer roof... If you look at the 57 Chevys, it took a lot of playing with it to get the corner curves
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Post by shep on Nov 28, 2019 22:05:58 GMT -9
Why do builders include curves, anyway? I like boxes...
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Dec 1, 2019 10:11:02 GMT -9
Why do builders include curves, anyway? I like boxes... So does my cat o.0
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 1, 2019 12:14:02 GMT -9
At a French forum I noticed they posted last year's Christmas model from Bildrum.se, a Citroen HY, which I knew I hadn't even picked up on the other computer, so I checked my files and see I have very few of his models. Then I downloaded the Vaporetto di Venezia and saw this I wish he had a view without the vaporetto in the way
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Post by shep on Dec 1, 2019 13:31:10 GMT -9
Nice find!
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 1, 2019 13:39:48 GMT -9
Even if I wasn't familiar with the building, that photo would have caught my attention BTW, he spliced his model into an old painting. I find the boats interesting
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Post by shep on Dec 1, 2019 13:51:33 GMT -9
If you re-texture it fully wooden, and add a huge paddle-wheel through the center of the aft, perhaps some cannon on top of the boat, and a naval ram at the front... This might be a nice addition to the upcoming Renaissance Warmachines in Venice hoard.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 1, 2019 14:20:21 GMT -9
I think I should have the Rialto Bridge done by then. If so, I did have a boat in mind. I don't remember where I saw it, but I once saw a horse-driven paddlewheeler with two horses on a tretradkran type mechanism, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/7544/tretradkran . As my faulty memory remembers it, there were belts that drove a transverse axle below deck that geared to a longitudinal axle that rotated a screw, but I thought I'd replace it with a paddle wheel. I really don't want to design the part of the screw that sticks out of the water, nor do I want to build it. The trick will be in making it look like a renaissance boat, but tricked out
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Post by shep on Dec 1, 2019 14:57:42 GMT -9
I think I should have the Rialto Bridge done by then. If so, I did have a boat in mind. I don't remember where I saw it, but I once saw a horse-driven paddlewheeler with two horses on a tretradkran type mechanism, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/7544/tretradkran . As my faulty memory remembers it, there were belts that drove a transverse axle below deck that geared to a longitudinal axle that rotated a screw, but I thought I'd replace it with a paddle wheel. I really don't want to design the part of the screw that sticks out of the water, nor do I want to build it. The trick will be in making it look like a renaissance boat, but tricked out Funny... Tretradkran is actually a German word, not that it would see much use, nowadays. But it is also the main engine of choice I had in mind for my mecha idea. However, since the mecha would be a warmachine, I will only have to design the outside of the wheel, since everything else would be boarded up with wooden and metal armor. You would not want to lose your main engine in battle, would you? I just need to find a way to include a turnable wheel into the body of the mecha...
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Post by shep on Dec 3, 2019 1:06:22 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2019 11:39:54 GMT -9
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Post by shep on Dec 6, 2019 11:46:10 GMT -9
I decided that until I see what I'm up against, I need to build an enlarged version of the Rialto Bridge above. Enlarged to fill a Letter-sized page, then I enlarged that to 140% to be printed on three pages. Still smaller than game scale, and I still have to figure out what they meant to do with parts 7 & 8, but this will give me a better idea of how to tackle designing the bridge. Instead of designing my own roofs for the shops, I may be able to tweak these for my own design I could be wrong, but 7 and 8 seem to be the center roofs of the shops.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 6, 2019 11:58:50 GMT -9
Yes, they are, but the shape of the attached walls is the shop roof contour, which doesn't make sense
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 8, 2019 14:43:53 GMT -9
I don't look forward to edging this, and since it was just an 'exercise', I think I will just go ahead and glue it I was curious how close they were on the shape. Not too bad Slightly higher peak and the slant on the ends is too great, but not by much. I had checked it steps to steps for the south side. Close to proper shape and the railing height is in the correct proportion. So I think I am just going to use the basic geometry for my model. I want to keep the steps down to the wharfs, but I will need to have the central steps continue on in the middle. Looks promising. Time for glue.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 8, 2019 16:47:15 GMT -9
I really wish I hadn't done a quick print on this. Printed on 'Best', it would be good enough to give away (well, give away and feel good about it) Keeping in mind that it was enlarged to full page (originally a postcard model), and then separated to three pages, enlarging to 140%, I am surprised it fits as well as it does. Not perfect but better than expected Here's what I meant by needing to add the end stairs
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Post by squirmydad on Dec 8, 2019 19:50:23 GMT -9
If you get tired of making it in paper you can always switch over to gingerbread and jellybeans; Candy Canals
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 8, 2019 19:54:49 GMT -9
If you get tired of making it in paper you can always switch over to gingerbread and jellybeans; Candy CanalsMaybe if I have a whole bunch of spare time, I could repaint it that way
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Post by shep on Dec 9, 2019 7:51:51 GMT -9
Now how cool is that??!?
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2019 8:49:30 GMT -9
Now how cool is that??!? You could set up your table that way and really surprise people
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Post by shep on Dec 9, 2019 14:36:10 GMT -9
The table would be non-existent, even before the first round would be nearing its end. Most people around here that would play Carnevale with me have a weakness for snacks of any kind...
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2019 14:43:32 GMT -9
I just meant paper with a gingerbread and candy texture
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Post by shep on Dec 9, 2019 15:10:48 GMT -9
I just meant paper with a gingerbread and candy texture Ah, you mean for a christmas game or something along that line. That could be an interesting thing for games with kids, IF Carnevale (or other games set in Venice) would be suitable for kids... I fear, however, that with the somewhat Lovecraftian background story and especially with the monsters of the Rashaar faction, and the mostly immoral motivations of the other factions, Carnevale is better not being played by kids younger than 14. And players older than that might find Candy-Venice a little bit off for Rokoko horror...
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