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Post by okumarts on Jun 10, 2020 6:24:41 GMT -9
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Post by cowboyleland on Jun 10, 2020 19:55:15 GMT -9
Sir, your youth was NOT mispent! (It sounds a lot like mine.  ) |
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Post by wyvern on Jun 11, 2020 4:23:55 GMT -9
Worth noting perhaps that you DO actually get those columns, the rubble and the solitary tree along with the minis - BUT only in the Heroes Set One pack. Can't help feeling that Charon in the Monsters set could do with a suitable barge, however (hint, hint...)  |
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 11, 2020 4:56:56 GMT -9
I thought I would do a quick search for the ferry, thinking that Lekythos images would give a better interpretation of what it should look like than Renaissance paintings, and only came up with two. I would have thought there would be more. I say two, but there are multiple photos of two images.    Maybe I should have looked up frescoes or mosaics EDIT -- one of the images did not show, but it was the top vase, only showing the raised tail at the stern, similar to the second vase Statue -  |
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Post by okumarts on Jun 11, 2020 5:51:07 GMT -9
I think the skeletal version of Charon is a fairly recent addition to the myth.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 11, 2020 6:41:08 GMT -9
In a way, isn't the way Greek myths change to the current culture part of why they endure? In all the ancient Greek images I've seen he is bearded and has a hat, but not in the Roman versions, and in the Roman versions, the ferry looks a lot less Greek
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Post by wyvern on Jun 12, 2020 4:34:43 GMT -9
The robed "Death" version of Charon with or without skeletal features is indeed pretty recent (relatively); much the way Jason's fight with the Earthborn Men at Colchis (sown from the Hydra's teeth) has them as skeletons only from the time of Ray Harryhausen. In the Greek myths, both Charon and the Earthborn are always normal humans in appearance. Charon seems to have been described just as an old man from the 5th century BCE through to the time of the Latin poet Virgil (1st century BCE), who upped the game: A dreadful ferryman looks after the river crossing, Charon : appalling filthy he is, with a bush of unkempt white beard upon his chin, with eyes like jets of fire; and a dirty cloak draggles down, knotted about his shoulders. He poles the boat, he looks after the sails, he is all the crew of that rust-coloured wherry which takes the dead across--an ancient now, but a god's old age is green and sappy. (Aeneid 6.299; C. Day-Lewis translation via the Theoi.com Charon page). Oddly, he doesn't look that old on the Greek vase paintings, just rather "lived-in". And that "two pennies over the eyes to pay the ferryman" thing is also recent. The original Greek version had just a single coin, placed in the mouth. This hasn't distracted me from hinting at hoping for a suitable boat model though  |
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Post by okumarts on Sept 19, 2021 9:25:19 GMT -9
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