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Post by ken on Dec 4, 2010 18:17:33 GMT -9
So here is the first round of concept art for the Dwarven Army I'm working on. First row = Clan Lord, Standard Bearer Second row = Clan Warriors Thrid row = Rangers Fourth row = Crossbow  These units form the core of the Dwaven Army. I do have ideas and sketches for more units, Cannons, Berserkers, etc. I always appreciate comments and critiques. Thanks Ken |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 4, 2010 18:37:32 GMT -9
How about 28mm Space Dwarves...  Just kidding! Once again, FANTASTIC start! Looks very good! |
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Post by Reivaj on Dec 4, 2010 18:43:39 GMT -9
WOW great work Ken!! love these minis ;D
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Post by Tommygun on Dec 4, 2010 19:42:34 GMT -9
I like the style of them.
Will you have any armed with an arquebus type gun?
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Post by Dagger on Dec 5, 2010 1:14:49 GMT -9
Very, very exciting... Great work! I see that you have a HQ unit, Standard unit, Light unit, and a Ranged unit... But what about a Heavy unit? I'm thinking long-hammers with a tad bit more armor...  |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 5, 2010 1:50:56 GMT -9
Finally! DWARFS!!!! YEAH!!!!They are great. My suggestions/requests/toughts are: - pectorals wider than the belly (at least for some of them) - 3/4 view of the crossbows (they may seems rifles in the side view) - A version of the rangers without guns (not every setting have gunpowder, they could be more "universal") - Different beard "styles" and lenght - weapons variation: double axes (war axes), hammers (made of metal or stone), throwing axes, slings and stones, "bladed" or spiked shields (the ones you can use as weapons too), towershields (i'm thinking at them placed side by side in a shield wall) - Bersekers (or just "barbarians", with no armors/clothings, "rage" face) maybe with two weapons (one per hand) - Heavy warriors with full armor and closed helmets (basically the only thing you'll see is the beard) - Clerics/healers Well, i'm very excited by your dwarfs, so perhaps i'm going a bit too far  - EDIT - Looking at the first infantry and ranger: cuting the axe and the sword may be a pain: the weapons maybe should be more far from the head... i like that pose, so what about raising it more, raising the shoulder and the whole arm?
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Post by Two foot Tom on Dec 5, 2010 2:17:07 GMT -9
Yeeees!!! ;D you have just made my day good sir!
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Post by cobra on Dec 5, 2010 6:55:51 GMT -9
I really like the idea of the dwarf clan lord standing on an anvil - typical dwarven symbol - makes him really stand out among his troops, specially if you plan to make a unit of dwarves with two-handed warhammers.
If you plan on doing the same (or equivalent) for all your army leaders, then you should modify your orc warlord to stand on top of a pile of skulls instead of only the one skull he currently has.
/Cobra
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 5, 2010 19:03:27 GMT -9
I strongly suggest 2.5d crossbows like in Jim's skeletons. It would help distinguish from the suggested arquabus. Very cool figs.
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Post by Dominic on Dec 6, 2010 3:58:06 GMT -9
Personally I don't like the anvil - well, I do, but not for a mini that's supposed to move around. Of course, one might team him up with two anvil-pusher dwarves...
They look great, did I mention that?
What I'd add to parduz' list is a... well, how to describe them, they hail from the discworld as far as I remember, wearing armor made from heavy leather plates, using flamethrower-like devices. They explode gas pockets in mines and are also considered a symbol for being a real dwarf, something like that. Anyway, I guess my point boils down that while you're at it, why not make some "normal" working dwarves?
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Post by Parduz on Dec 6, 2010 5:06:18 GMT -9
I forgot to say that me too don't like so much the anvil.... until there's dwarfs that bring around the boss on the anvil like the Asterix's Boss on the shield....  |
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Post by Two foot Tom on Dec 6, 2010 5:38:28 GMT -9
Yea; it could work. All you would need is two Dwarves under the anvil carrying it
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 6, 2010 6:53:45 GMT -9
I kinda like it as is... I could picture him grabbing the thing with one hand, and tossing it to the ground, jumping on it, and smacking the human hordes to the ground. I like the fact that he is standing on it because it makes him stand out... which he SHOULD. That is just my opinion, and feel free to ignore it, since most people do!  When people see someone carrying a banner or standard, they don't say, "Shouldn't he be holding that differently?" They say, "Oh, it's the standard-bearer." These are, afterall, just to represent the figures in an army. If a figure has a smile, does that mean he only laughs and doesn't take battle seriously? I'm just saying... |
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Post by Dominic on Dec 7, 2010 7:13:36 GMT -9
If a figure has a smile, does that mean he only laughs and doesn't take battle seriously? That would be a sneer, then  . You've got a point, though, too much realism can kill, especially with something as "real" as dwarves (or elves, or demons, or bunnies). Personally, I think the anvil makes the mini stationary, just like certain poses can give a mini a sense of direction or movement. I'd prefer a paper anvil to put the mini or an impressive clan leader on top of . |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 7, 2010 8:14:08 GMT -9
I do have to agree with the above post that mentions the Dwarves being workmen.
I could see some wearing a leather apron, and having a pot poker, or hammer, or something like that to show he is "master of the Forge."
Hey... why not have a guy with a stove strapped on his back, and a billows attached to a hose with a nozzel on it... basically a Dwarven flame-thrower... I could see the guy with the leather apron, big mits, and goggles.
Of course his beard would be white, but appear grey due to all of the soot in it.
Heck, too bad the Horde is done for this month, or you could throw some red PJ's on him, and there you'd go...
Oops.. Sorry. Looks like I was thinking to myself outloud...
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 7, 2010 8:15:24 GMT -9
Oh... and Dwarves with pickaxes... good diggers, ya'know.
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Post by Dryw the Harper on Dec 7, 2010 8:50:21 GMT -9
But wouldn't a Dwarven Gold Digger be one of those elusive Female Dwarves with a bare midriff trying to attract the attention of some Dwarven craftmaster or guildmaster so she could marry him for his treasure? ;D Just kidding Love how these are looking. Dryw the Harper |
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Post by Two foot Tom on Dec 7, 2010 11:23:47 GMT -9
Haha; like your style Dryw ;D
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Post by Dominic on Dec 7, 2010 22:52:02 GMT -9
But wouldn't a Dwarven Gold Digger be one of those elusive Female Dwarves with a bare midriff trying to attract the attention of some Dwarven craftmaster or guildmaster so she could marry him for his treasure? That wouldn't work, how would you tell a bare midrift behind a beard? ;D |
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Post by Dryw the Harper on Dec 8, 2010 12:07:20 GMT -9
Actually, in the game I run Dwarven women are not bearded, but by tradition are also not allowed to be seen by outsiders. Those female Dwarves that have been curious enough to want to see outsiders do so in disguise as Dwarven men, wearing false beards. On my game world this has led to both the rumor that there are no Dwarven women, and the rumor that Dwarven women do exist, but have beards and are hard to tell from Dwarven men. Dryw the Harper |
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Post by Dominic on Dec 8, 2010 12:20:03 GMT -9
;akes you wonder whether "real Dwarves" tug their beards when they meet, like a handshake... |
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Post by WaffleM on Dec 12, 2010 9:33:33 GMT -9
;akes you wonder whether "real Dwarves" tug their beards when they meet, like a handshake... I think they might clack hammers. Or maybe that's how they applaud... |
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 12, 2010 11:21:02 GMT -9
Is that a euphamism? |
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Post by Dominic on Dec 12, 2010 22:18:31 GMT -9
I think they might clack hammers. Or maybe that's how they applaud... When I first read that the image of two dwarves hitting each other on the helmet for greeting came to mind... Would explain a number of things I think... |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 12, 2010 23:45:26 GMT -9
I think they might clack hammers. Or maybe that's how they applaud... When I first read that the image of two dwarves hitting each other on the helmet for greeting came to mind... Too much proximity and .... "risks" . A punch on each own chest is an appropriate way to greeting. Would explain a number of things I think... LOL |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 13, 2010 4:56:14 GMT -9
Yes, I agree with Parduz. Another little known fact that the ancient Dwarven word for "Greetings" was pronounced "Goway" in certain dialects. This simple misunderstanding sparked MANY a war when the unknowing Dwarves would offer greetings to visitors that would inturn attack them! (Ok, I made that up, but it's funny, and thought-provoking). |
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Post by Dominic on Dec 13, 2010 5:23:38 GMT -9
(Ok, I made that up, but it's funny, and thought-provoking). It's a good one, I reserve the right to steal it for my upcoming campaig . On-Off-Topic, languages are something hardly ever used to their full potential, for various reasons, in rps. At least that is the feeling I get, but then again, what else would happen if there are "One size reads all"-glasses or similar items avaliable... On-Topic: sorry for derailing your thread, ken  |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 13, 2010 6:29:37 GMT -9
LOL at "Goway" languages are something hardly ever used to their full potential, for various reasons, in rps. Well, taking the "Goway" as example, the "joke" and the possible rp coming from it only works for english speaking ppl. It's hard enough to have translated RPG manuals, guess translated fantasy languages |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 13, 2010 6:50:35 GMT -9
Well, I only speak English, but feel free to use ANY similar version of it! Dominic: I used that once, and the party was trying to offer goods to enter the walls of the city, and they were offering up gold and all kinds of stuff. After hearing the "Goway" for the 43rd time, they attacked... It wasn't until they captured an NPC, and found out that he spoke English, that they found the errors of their ways. (For some reason someone in the party always chose high "Languages" after that!) ;D Back on topic: These are great, but we haven't had any updates lately. Where do these stand (and I DON'T mean on anvils). |
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Post by Dominic on Dec 13, 2010 10:44:54 GMT -9
Well, taking the "Goway" as example, the "joke" and the possible rp coming from it only works for english speaking ppl. It's hard enough to have translated RPG manuals, guess translated fantasy languages I'd use the basic method and apply it to other (player) languages. For german, for example, I'd use a shortend form of "Verschwinde", which is one possibly translation for "Go away". I'd then change it a bit to "V'schwind" or something, and I'll know how to pronounce it to make it sound close enough to the intended word. In other roleplays (forum based) my family has taken to use mundane words for alien names (it's a Star Wars rp). All the NPCs on one planet were named after car brands, for example (like "Tshefroled"), and once you get the hand of it, it's fairly easy to cloud a word so that unsuspecting readers don't notice. Then again, sometimes the other players don't notice either, but thats part of the fun . Erm... back on topic O-) |
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