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Post by kiladecus on Dec 28, 2010 10:19:15 GMT -9
Ok, I have a project that I am trying to do, and IF I can, I could be taking my first baby-steps into a larger world! Ok, I discussed a possible opportunity with do a project with someone that I admire, and REALLY love his work. Should this happen, then I will be able to be part of an upcoming release. If he decides to use someone else's work, or if I get on his nerves, then it won't happen. Either way, I am jazzed to just be considered!  Ok, I know that next month is FANTASY in the Horde Files. With that thought in mind, I may do ONE of these figures for that set. Whatever I don't use for that I will use with my ohter project. SO, with that said, please let me know which (if ANY) of these you guys would like to see me finish for the January Horde. I may go a WHOLE other way, and do a more traditional figure, but for right now, this is what I am looking at.... www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=37763&id=100001331075572&l=b3ae052bb1These are just concept sketches... please keep that in mind... |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 28, 2010 10:28:07 GMT -9
These are just concept sketches... please keep that in mind... Ok, i'll wait to see the working sketches before to start my usual work ;D The lich king is very promising! |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 28, 2010 13:08:33 GMT -9
Good idea, Parduz! If not, then you would be writing ALL day! |
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Dec 28, 2010 13:38:48 GMT -9
David!
I LOVE these guys!
Of course, I'm a sucker for the undead!
I'd love to see a whole HUGE set of these guys and more!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by deathdragon on Dec 28, 2010 22:23:43 GMT -9
I agree stack the corpses like cord-wood then let em wander where they may  |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 29, 2010 9:05:25 GMT -9
Funny.... I haven't ever drawn Skeletons before (except my Skeletrons...) I figure that they are ok, at best... Actually, the MORE I think of it, Parduz, PLEASE do make your suggestions about them. I figure that it is easier to clean them up BEFORE coloring and stuff, then it would be to do it after! Go ahead... with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (and I will TRY not to take it personally)! Ok.. let 'er rip... |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 29, 2010 10:44:15 GMT -9
Ok (Having the pictures here for reference could make it esaier... ) The Archer: 1) the thighbone is only one (the femur), your archer shows two bones on the thigh. 2) the left arm is a bit short, or the right one a bit long. The one with the helmet: 1) The legs are misaligned. Draw a straight vertical line from the nose thru the center of the torso and you'll see this 2) They are also too short, and maybe the torso is too large. The one with the sword 1) At the opposite, this one is maybe too skinny. 2) Also check arm/forearms proportions and "simmetry". The wraith: It lacks of the collarbones (or at least they seems just like the other ribs I never say nothing personally... one of my big troubles is that i never know how my post "sounds" to english speakers. I'm able to read and write, but i can't catch all the tiny differences and "tones" that native speakers may get, so if it happens that i sound talking personally, pls consider that it is not the case, and pls tell it to me so i may learn to avoid to hurt anyone. |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 29, 2010 12:04:42 GMT -9
Thanks, Parduz! Many of the points you mentioned were already brought to my attention, and I even mentioned on my Facebook page. The only item that I feel you are not "spot-on" is that the Skeleton Warrior was made intentionally skinny. I wanted him to have his armor look like it was tightened to hold onto his frame. As far as the leg-bones and color bones... I laughed when I read that because I even joked with someone that I may need to look at a picture of a skeleton as a point of reference! (Then again, my first attempt at drawing skeletons. I hope I improve over time). Thanks, again, my friend, and if there is anything else that Parduz over-looked, please let me know. |
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Dec 29, 2010 16:01:43 GMT -9
Hey David!
Just received the newest Adventure Path for Pathfinder RPG today and it has Skeleton Lizardmen!
Do you think you might be able to come up with some of these for me in the future?
Thanks dude!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 30, 2010 2:37:07 GMT -9
Ok... I just got a request!  I have done a Lizard Man in he past, but to have a skeletal one... I will TRY to sketch something today. Looks like rain all day, SO I won't be working... (Don't you love rain in December... in OHIO! I would bet that by tonight, once it freeezes we will have an inch of ice)!  |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 30, 2010 4:35:10 GMT -9
Ok, Beau... You asked for it... Parduz... feel free to comment with pointers... This is the best I could do... I am sure there are 100 other artists here that could do a better job, but this is what I could do... www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=235246&l=45b48e4a0b&id=100001331075572YES! The ribs are narrow and short (based on snake and reptile ribcages, not human). The tail is ALSO a little thin and short. Couldn't really help that. The head is large on purpose. I intended it to be so. I dind't want it to look like a Goomba from Mario Brothers, but more like an actual lizard standing erect (thus, the short legs and arms). Ok... any thoughts? (Other than I should learn how to post photos... On some of the borads, there is a button that says "Upload a Picture" or something... I need one of those here... In case anyone with power can make tht happen...) Alright, thank you for your attention. |
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Post by Parduz on Dec 30, 2010 5:04:53 GMT -9
Parduz... feel free to comment with pointers... "Aye, sir"  Well, the only "problem" i see is that we can't see the ribs curve, so it seems (to me) more a fish spine than a rib cage. Even if the reptile ones are open (no sternum) we should see come curve. Then it is only a matter of taste: i feel the collarbones too large... and reasoning to a lizardman, you maybe could make at least the upper 3-4 ribs doing a full cage with a little sternum, to give the collarbones a bit of "mechanical support". Last, iìd like more a side view of the head, to give to the observer a better clue of what it is supposed to be. Anyway, it's a nice creature |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 30, 2010 8:49:16 GMT -9
I plan on doing a couple poses, and I will attempt to do a 3/4 head shot and maybe a full profile of one as well. Perhaps I should revert to what I have done in the past, and throw a breastplate on him to cover the ribs, and call it "done." |
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Dec 30, 2010 12:04:03 GMT -9
David!
Wow! That was QUICK!
I love it! I do think more of a side view of the skull is in order (like Parduz suggested).
Other than that it's SO great!
now, just a few more poses and my PC's are in for a tough fight!
Thanks David!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 30, 2010 13:31:10 GMT -9
Well, I got your request this morning about 7:00, and I had this posted shortly after that. I actually googled "Lizard Skeleton." There was this really cool picture of the skull head on, and that was what I drew. First thing I would change is the jaw-bone. Yes it is really 2 pieces, but in a drawing, it looks hard to follow. Normally when I draw something I let my imagination be my guide (but then you end up with two femurs...) I thought I would try to do something more tangible, and that didn't work either. Sometimes I wonder why I bother trying... but then again, when I do something I like, and ONE person says, "Nice." It makes it all that much better. My "plan" is to take this sketch, and instead of converting the hand-drawn file into a "computer image" (like the Psi-Borg), I may do this WHOLE picture in Paint (like I did the Skeletrons). The detail might not be as good, but the images will be easy to modify, and once I get ONE done, I can change it slightly, and then it will just be a matter of switching out an arm, leg or weapon. Instead of 100% new images (which take me about an hour to sketch, not counting the time to scan them into the computer and such...), I can do one by flinging pixels (which takes a few hours) then modifying them (which takes about another hour). All said, IF I could devote one WHOLE day to just these, I would have a set of 8 to 10 with very little duplication. So, that is the plan as it stands right now. As far as the others, I want to keep the style of art true to the images because of the "planned project." Any other thoughts...  |
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Post by Reivaj on Dec 31, 2010 10:14:19 GMT -9
Great work!! i love it. Go on with it i`ll be waiting for them ;D
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 31, 2010 17:06:33 GMT -9
Thanks, Javier. I will see what I can come up with.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Jan 4, 2011 15:39:29 GMT -9
I really like what you've drawn, It would look pretty nice coloured and placed on the table even as is If you do end up doing 8-10, maybe do batches of 3 with different weapons , 3sword, 3 spear, 3 something else. Then it gives you a pretty solid base to start an entire Undead Lizardman army...Just a thought Keep up the good work, I know I hope you finish these as I'd like to be able to use them. |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 4, 2011 17:48:26 GMT -9
WOW! People are actually liking my stuff... That is cool.  I have quite a few irons in the fire right now, and I am trying to eliminate these one by one by completing them, and not taking on anything else until I get some of this OTHER stuff freed up!  I was considering doing these fully electronically (Meaning do all the artwork in PAINT - since my old PC won't support GIMP), but the more I play with my images, I am learning how to convert these drawings into files that will allow me to clean them up and call them "finished." The differece is my "Skeletrons" versus the "Psi-Borgs." The Skeletrons look cheesier than the Psi-Borgs, and the latter have a much better "finished" look about them. I think, if I read this right, Sir Rob, that you are basically saying come up with three poses, and do weapon variations of the three. That might make it easier to get these done quicker. (And of course there is the "horizontal flip" versions that give you another quick and easy option. I can't get these done as quickly in the computer as I can drawing the "sketches," but as time allows, I will try to post what I have. Even if I DON'T do the Skeletal Lizardmen for the Monthy Forum Horde, doesn't mean I can't post them here for people to grab and use, right?  Ok, thanks for the positive feedback! Keep in mind that the more "encouraged" I feel about a project, the more likely I am to finish it and get more stuff out there. ;D |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 7, 2011 3:53:20 GMT -9
FINALLY a have a small break this week! Maybe I can get something accomplished today!
I finally decided that I am going to stick STRICTLY to my hand-drawn stuff for my figures, which means that I am going to have to do the "clean-up" work BEFORE I scan them into the computer.
The results will be BETTER in the long run, because my figures will have a true drawing feel to them. The down-side will be having to draw EVERY figure by hand. It won't be a matter of changing out an arm here or there, to give it a new pose, as much as having a WHOLE different figure.
The more work I do with these, the more tricks I am teaching myself.
So when I say, "Back to the drawing board," I mean it!
All things considered, I think it will give everyone a better minature to play with, thus making the "customer" happier!
Any thoughts?
Ok... I will TRY to get some "new" artwork done today.
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 11, 2011 3:40:50 GMT -9
Ok. Last night, I was so excited about having BilliamBabble make the "official" announcement, I could hardly sleep... not something I do much anyways lately.
I have got MOST of my preliminary sketches done, and am "fixing" all of the issues that were there.
Ready for a blind-side? I woke up around 3:30 this morning with an epithany! I am going to not only re-draw the figures to make them "better," but I am going to add a few 2.5D elements to some.
I will TRY to have some of the figures artwork on here by the weekend.
I am not going to throw the stuff I did out the window, those were just sketches to establish what Bb's ideas were translated in my brain.
Now that he said it was "close enough," I will start the ACTUAL miniatures today.
I attempted some miniatures with the artwork I have done, and when he says I can, I may post a couple pictures of the "prototypes" pieces together.
I see a LOT of changes I need to do to the figures to make them more "user-friendly." There are a lot of little pieces that are difficult to cut around, and will leave the figures with some "vulnerable" pieces.
One of my favorite artists here (like there aren't 100 I call my favorites) is Darkmook... because his figures have great detail and coloring, BUT they are easy to cut out, and VERY durable and still look GREAT!
Ok... Just got a call from the kids' school. They will be dismissing early today due to the storm! Looks like you will see some pictures soon enough! ;D
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 11, 2011 6:33:02 GMT -9
Ok... there seems to be varying ideas as to what is a Spectre, Wraith and Wight. Here is MY take on them. Please share your thoughts on these, as well. SPECTRE: (...no it is NOT "er").  This is a spirit that has NO shape nor form but still "carries" all of it's weapons from before it died. WRAITH: This is a spirit made of mists and darkness that generally is cloaked or robed. Has NO visible features barring red glowing eyes. WIGHT: This is a creature that has a skeletal frame supporting its armor and weapons from before it died. Contrary to popular belief (or at least in MY opinion), undead creatures do not seek out anything for themselves (unless their master desires it, and orders them to retrieve it, like in that ONE movie...) Generally, they carry their possesions from when they were alive, and unless they are TRULY destroyed, will keep them. Many undead don't realize they aren't alive anymore. In their twisted minds, they see themselves as they were when they were alive. They see the living as "horrific creatures" that must be dispatched. See, they really aren't killing everything in sight because the are inherently EVIL... they are just misunderstood. Furthermore, they don't like the term "Undead..." but feel it is more politically correct to refer to them as "Living Impaired." So, with that all said, when I finish my new drawing of the above creatures, you will know why I did them the way I did... So, that way people won't say, that's not a spectre, it's a wraith, and so forth. Ok, we good? |
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Post by Parduz on Jan 11, 2011 6:57:44 GMT -9
Nice reasoning.
Now please tell us HOW that Living Impaired finally dies ;D
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 12, 2011 13:16:57 GMT -9
I believe the preferred term is "living challenged" |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 12, 2011 14:01:39 GMT -9
Here is the FIRST OFFICIAL (non-sketch) version of my FIRST figure for this set, which will be my FIRST release (A LOT of "firsts" in this FIRST line)... Ok. Here it is... SKELETON WARRIOR #01 [a href="  "] [/a] |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 12, 2011 14:05:53 GMT -9
Ok... as USUAL with ALL my drawings, I seem to have done the hand too small. I need to work on that. My friend Luke said that I always do that, and it is my "trademark." Ok... a small right hand, and the left shoulder armor are a bit small, but aside from those SMALL infractions, anyone else have anything the would like to add? Anyone... anyone... Buehler... |
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Post by Dryw the Harper on Jan 12, 2011 15:40:15 GMT -9
I think he looks just fine. But then again I produce a line called "Imperfect People." As my wife constantly reminds me, it's only going to be an inch and a half tall on the gaming table. Small imperfections are not going to be noticed. Keep up the good work, and keep in mind that skeletal figures put a whole new meaning to "bare midriff" should you chose not to armor them. ;D Dryw the Harper P.S. Glad to see you posting the pictures in the thread, my ancient iMac can't load the Facebook page so this is the first one I've gotten to see. |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 12, 2011 17:48:39 GMT -9
Thanks, Dryw! Here is my next one... I changed the SKELETAL ARCHER into... get this... a SKELETAL CROSSBOWMAN... er... CROSSBOWWOMAN. She was an Elf in her previous life... literally! Just for the guys here, I gave her a slit in her top to show off her chest... (as I did in the rough Sketch posted above). Here she is... SKELETON #02... the CROSSBOWMAN! [a href="  "] [/a] OH! Before I forget... Since I took her longbow away, I am going to be giving her a crossbow section that slides through the slot on the front of her weapon, and it will be a 2.5D figure. I have a couple more figures in this set that I am PLANNING on doing as 2.5D, but I will have to see how much space I can fit on one page. I am shooting for 8 figures, and if I can do ALL eight WITH the 2.5D accessories, then I will. Ok. With that posted, I can call it a night now! WHOO-HOO! 2 fronts done, and six more to go... ...then backs, and eventually colors... then building them, and then it will be "PLAYTIME." |
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Post by Dryw the Harper on Jan 12, 2011 20:12:53 GMT -9
Again, cool. But Elves don't use crossbows unless they are Drow Elves. Too mechanical. Perhaps she was a very tall Dwarf? But I do love those long, bare legs. Dryw the Harper |
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Post by Reivaj on Jan 13, 2011 3:05:51 GMT -9
WOW excelent work kiladecus!!, i´ll be waiting to make bigger my undead minis colection ;D I love the crossbowman or woman (or crossbowdead ) |
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This is a spirit that has NO shape nor form but still "carries" all of it's weapons from before it died.
