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Post by Nekokoneko on Apr 27, 2011 8:47:10 GMT -9
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Post by tugunmojo on Apr 27, 2011 9:36:19 GMT -9
His ruins sets are probably my favorite. It can be used for so many different genres. And the layers that is in each PDF gives you multiple sets within each set. Being ruins, noting prevents you from cutting a particular piece out differently, giving more utility out of each set.
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Apr 28, 2011 7:56:12 GMT -9
I agree!
I especially love the fact that they break down and can store flat AND look amazingly cool when constructed!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by Vermin King on Apr 28, 2011 8:59:04 GMT -9
I've always wondered why so many Warhammer folk spend so much time building plastic or foamboard ruins that they complain about storing, when Dave gives them such a good alternative.
On the otherhand, I often see glimpses of his ruins off to the side or in the background in people's photos. I think it is just a matter of pride. They spend so much time and effort building and painting their other stuff, that they have to show it off to justify their wasted efforts and money spent.
Card has so many advantages.
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Post by paladin on Apr 28, 2011 11:44:03 GMT -9
Righty-right, Vermin King. Flexibility and cheapness of paper terrain. Very fine details and subtle coloring possible too. But today I was blown away by a website featuring Styrodur, wood, sand and Acryl colors: www.gidian-gelaende.de/. I think, if people want full 3D, there is no alternative to this (not very expensive) awesomeness of movie-shotable terrain building. You just need the will and strength to do it, alot of time and much space, of course. It's nothing for me, cause I own NO full 3D minis (ok, maybe three), I want it fast, extremely modular, cheap, colorful and really playable from a practical viewpoint. But I can understand the pride and fun of great Warhammer/HeroQuest people building stuff like this: www.hq-cooperation.de/galerie/galerie_zombie_dungeon.htmlHave a look at the sewer zombies in the bubbling water (page 2). Now that's incredible ... . I am searching for the right materials to combine 2D paper textures (for fast details) and 3D props like wall pieces/stairs/statues/furniture etc. I think, Styrodur/cork is the way to go ... .
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Post by old squirmydad on May 6, 2011 16:14:15 GMT -9
I recently re-installed a game called "2142 Battlefield" (don't buy it) and found that a couple of the levels really feel like a virtual walk-through of a Dave Graffam model city....with stompies and machine guns. Especially the European levels, complete with ruins.
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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2011 16:37:54 GMT -9
Those turned out really great! I love that you didn't glue the pieces together so they can be stored flat.
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Post by pblade on Jun 18, 2011 0:47:39 GMT -9
Looks great!
I don't think anyone glues those ruins together, do they? That defeats probably 3/4 of the advantages of the sets. Unglued they store flat, are completely modular, can reflect new, excessive damage, and still look great.
I've *really* got to get me some ruins built....
- Pb
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Post by Parduz on Jun 18, 2011 4:56:49 GMT -9
I made the ruins with 3mm foamcore. The result is great, imo: If you cut the slots with some care they makes a good grip and you can still deassemble it to have it flat. The only little, tiny problem is that they're designed to be folded "flat", so you have to cut along the folding line and align the two sides manually.
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Post by paladin on Jun 18, 2011 5:39:24 GMT -9
That's great, Parduz. I was thinking about something similar, though Foamcore is not easy to obtain here in Germany and quite expensive (for architect's purse only). I thought about rolls of 2 mm-cork, though I have not any experience with that. Would it be too bendy (or breaking) ? I've read, Foamcore could bend easily as well !?
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Post by Parduz on Jun 18, 2011 6:30:15 GMT -9
....though Foamcore is not easy to obtain here in Germany and quite expensive (for architect's purse only) Same here. I payd 5€ for a sheet of 1 x 1.5 m of 3mm, and 7 for the same size of 5mm. Seems to me that kork could be more expensive..... I've read, Foamcore could bend easily as well !? Foamcore can bend, yes, but you'll not notice it on pieces so short.
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Post by paladin on Jun 18, 2011 8:33:10 GMT -9
Ah, thanks, Parduz. So Foamcore would work. Alot of people in the modeling community count on it, I know. In Germany you find this material only in specialized shops like www.architekturbedarf.de/Shop/Modellbau1/Pappe/FBoard/fboard.htmlF-Board 1x1.4m 3mm about 6,60 € plus shipping 5,60 € (only in 25-pack -> 165,50 € ). It's even smaller than your sheet. I have found Kork from a role cheapest (1 x 10 m): www.kork-store.de/shop/Rollenkork/3,18 €/qm, but it's only 2 mm, the pic tells me: bending/flexible ! Plus shipping 13,- € . About 6,70 € in sum compared to your 1x1,50m Foamcore, Parduz. Maybe for Paper Mini bases only, like gilius did. Nothing cheap here, but I like Kork. This natural material. Most cheap, because 30 mm thickness: www.hornbach.de/shop/Hartschaumplatte-ISOVER-3035-CS-1265x615-mm/208844/artikel.html?sourceCat=S602About 5,20 €/qm. Very easy to cut and glue. People are building full-3D-models with it. Great for props, tiles, walls. I will try this.
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Post by Parduz on Jun 18, 2011 10:02:52 GMT -9
My only suggestion about the Foamcore is to see if there's a seller near to an university. The only "source" of it i've found is a stationery near to the "fine-arts" faculty.
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Post by paladin on Jun 18, 2011 12:46:22 GMT -9
Yes, thanks for your tip, Parduz. There is an address like that in my hometown, but I would be lucky, if they had the "cheap" sort of Foamcore. The problem here in Germany is: you cannot get the Foamcore-type, they use in the US for example. The market here in Germany seems to offer some "luxury" versions for artists/architects only. I am lucky enough to have an artist's supermarket here in my hometown. You will not get the things they sell anywhere cheaper in Germany as they are selling to trading customers only for a lower price, but they are selling the false products: www.boesner.com/Product name is Kapa. Don't look at the price, it will hurt. This Kapa-stuff may be high-end, but ... no
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