Post by Vermin King on Nov 7, 2011 14:50:58 GMT -9
I do believe that you have found the best look for Orcs/Orks. They definitely look Orcish, and yet they don't look like every other Orc out there. Wonderful interpretation. Like Kiladecus said, though, I'd do some Fantasy Orc weaponry and some SciFi Ork weaponry. Now that you have your basic guy fleshed out you can now let your imagination come up with the details.
There are no strangers in this world,only people I haven't embarrassed ... yet!
Here are some of my very early rough sketches. These are definitely a WIP, so don't be too harsh yet, but your input is still welcome. I hope to have at least another 4, for a total of 10 orcs for the first orc set.
Still thinking these are something you would buy, and fill your table top with?
I should not say this, as i'm somewhat involved in the creation process (more or less in the same measure of a single yellow leaf in an autumn panorama), but honestly i think that this set could be even better than the Barbarians, that are right now the Top of Labrat art.
I think if you were to do a couple mirrored/hoizontal flips with a couple poses, and switch out the weapons... and do a couple detail options (like scars, patches over an eye, broken tusks...) and come up with 4 more doing that, then you core units will be done. Just do the backs and color...
After reading this... it might be easier just to draw 4 new figures!
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
I'm a little late to the party I know, but I'll toss my 2 cents in anyway.
First I love these sketches and I will totally buy the set when they are completed.
My real issue is going to be what I use them for. Wargamers probably love the larger than life orcs and want to see them running across the battlefield to crush their foes. Why not. Who would want to play an army full of wimps?
Me, I'm more into RPGs and all of the supper bad-a-mo-fo orcs don't seem to fit with that model. In many RPGs, orcs are fodder, taken down a dozen at a time by a competent hero. Your orcs look like they could dismember someone without a weapon!
I thinks it's why I like the pig faced orcs, they seem oafish enough to be easy targets, but still dangerous if you slap a bunch of them down on the table.
Anyway, I'm not lobbying you to change your design or anything (like I said they look awesome), but when I buy this set they are going to be some nasty tribe of half trolls or some such and I'll still have my players massacring bumbling pig faced orcs!
Thanks sammo for chiming in. I can totally see your point of view on this. It is hard to get the mood just right for both wargamers and RPG'ers. I would say that these orcs were more geared toward the wargamer. In fact I never really thought of it in those terms.
I am definitely going to proceed with this set as is, but I will keep in mind what you have brought up. For now though, this set is just what I'm going for.
One thing that you could try, once I finish the set, is scaling them down so that they don't look quite as imposing to your heroes.
Taking a pause on my part of work on the sketches (literally) i've read sammo reply... it's amazing how each one of us have his envision. I always use Goblins and Cobolds as "cannon fodder", while Orcs are "human sized" enemies that starts to put a real fear. Part 'cause my imaginations is like this, part 'cause D&D3.5 have Half-orcs as playing charachters (so i put human and orcs on the same "level"), part 'cause i play "low level" D&D as i don't like half-gods PCs wandering around a world when they could already rule it
I suppose it shouldn't be a big surprise that we all have different uses for minis, and want different things out of minis sets (I certainly wasn't implying mine was the "right" point of view.
One thing I didn't mention about the sets that have been released lately (mostly Sanity Studios and Okumarts crossing my mind right now) is that although I am going to be using them primarily for RPGs, I really like the war-game style release that gives you a group of minis that are essentially the same (different poses or weapons or colors) so that they can be used whenever you need a bunch of somethings for a battle.
I have tons of metal/plastic minis from my years as a gamer, so when it comes to the one notable orc or NPC I have quite a few options, but when I need 25 of one kind of miniature I have less choices. So whether it's Drew's town folk, Okum's orcs or wood-elves, Sanity's humans (or orcs or dwarves), being able to fill up a table with these awesome looking minis is pretty sweet.
The orcs are coming along. All the pencil work is done and I'm working on the inking.
Once I have all these guys done, I plan to do one more bonus orc. I'm going to film the process start to finish and post a video for all to see the process from the beginning to the finished product. I think that will be a fun little project.
wyvern: surfduke: You should be able to post links to any files or images already on a website somewhere by just adding the URL when you set-up a post using the full "Create Post" Forum post editor (i.e. NOT the "Quick Reply" version).
May 27, 2020 10:20:28 GMT -9
wyvern: I've found Photos loading the first image slowly every time I've switched on the computer in recent times. It's been OK after that, but seems like it can't quite remember how to do it just after it's been woken up...
May 27, 2020 10:17:36 GMT -9
surfduke: Do you want a preview pdf of the Jupiter 2 here? If so how do I post it.
May 27, 2020 0:39:56 GMT -9
Vermin King: That would explain why 'Photos' loaded slower this weekend. It was 'improved'
May 26, 2020 8:07:25 GMT -9
wyvern: It wasn't some fresh Windows "improvement" then... I noticed the icon for the MS image viewer, "Photos", changed a few days back as well. Doesn't seem to have changed the app, as far as I can tell. Yet.
May 26, 2020 4:26:25 GMT -9
lightning: Glad that only a restart was involved. I wouldn't have the energy to much more today :-)
May 26, 2020 3:01:39 GMT -9
Vermin King: I had a scare and a half. Went to open a pdf for the first time today and nothing happened. Checked All Programs and saw that Reader updated on 05/23. Restarting fixed it. Whew
May 25, 2020 10:56:44 GMT -9
Vermin King: His eyes must not be as old as mine
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cowboyleland: I always thought Tirick was a little mad.
May 21, 2020 7:11:40 GMT -9
Vermin King: Really worn out tonight, so when I'm like that I just look for things I used to have, but don't any more. I got the Zippy models and am rebuilding my Tirick/TCF Gaming folder. How the heck would anyone build his 1/1000 Battletech mechs without enlarging
May 20, 2020 17:12:58 GMT -9
Toman: yea I have been. pretty cool project. I've done a few scratch builds like that but not as large. cutting individual stones or carving stones in foam sucks.
May 19, 2020 16:50:41 GMT -9
Vermin King: Anybody else following Mauther's home-made Playmobile castle build? Looks really good so far
May 18, 2020 18:13:38 GMT -9
cowboyleland: Good point. Maybe make the wing feathers seperately so that the wind could get through them?
May 14, 2020 6:10:23 GMT -9
squirmydad: We had two operators for the hawk though, one to carry the weight and the other to flap the wings.
May 13, 2020 11:02:25 GMT -9
squirmydad: Probably silk and dowels. I assisted in the construction of a giant hawk puppet for an indoor show, probably about the same size as that pegasus.
May 13, 2020 11:01:49 GMT -9
Vermin King: It's got to be really light. The article dealt with parade puppets. I don't think I'd want to be trying to control that in a stiff wind
May 13, 2020 4:21:20 GMT -9
lightning: that's a nice pegasus!
May 13, 2020 4:10:32 GMT -9
shep: Will it fly, if you move the wings fast enough?
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