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Post by revgunn on Nov 20, 2011 21:51:40 GMT -9
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Post by pblade on Nov 21, 2011 10:46:42 GMT -9
Very nice! Cross-draw, even. Definitely see this as either PC or major NPC.
- Pb
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 21, 2011 12:39:51 GMT -9
Kind of a hard-looking cuss, but whether a good guy or bad guy is not evident. Excellent figure. Should print up well.
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 21, 2011 12:47:35 GMT -9
Yep, I like 'im, but not so much that I'd actually be willing to meet him in a dark alley or otherwise.
To put on my Parduz hat for a moment, I think there should be more shadow on his coat near the right hand on the back view. I am nit-picking.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 14:34:19 GMT -9
Thanks folks. Ummm... I look at my post and I see the whole text of the post is not there. Lovely. I wrote a whole bunch of words and they went away. He's a major NPC. Hired gun. @cowboy.- On the sleeve or the coat itself? I see I need to smooth out some shadows on the back of his coat. No Gradients were used in the coloring of this figure
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Post by paladin on Nov 21, 2011 16:11:37 GMT -9
No Gradients were used in the coloring of this figure And this fact actually raises the quality level of this figure without doubt. I mean, you are on the track to PAINT your figure with raw artistic power. This is great. Look at his trousers. Those shades are really well done. And don't worry about some sloppiness of the backside shadows: this scale is very forgiving and higher contrasts are actually better ... . Like his keep-my-hand-near-belt-pose and his water-blue eyes sparkling in the shadow. Classy. I would offer him the star.
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 21, 2011 16:38:29 GMT -9
I meant on the coat itself. It would "pull" that coat tail back into his body. And I more included the comment to prove that I really looked, rather than just gave a knee-jerk "like." I'm with Paladin, I respect the paint way more than gradients (though I did use gradients for the first time in those warforged figs I did.) I find it best not to be a purist about anything.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 17:29:17 GMT -9
Cowboy, for whatever reason you included the comment, I appreciate it. Thanks for really looking. I'm striving to create the best looking, most historically accurate Wild West paper figures I can. Anything that makes them better is a good thing. As far as the "no gradients"... I feel like I was using them as a crutch and limiting myself to whatever shading I could get the machine to do for me. Part of this was proving to myself I didn't have to use them. It took longer, but its okay. I know I can do it without them. Now, I can use them if they work for me, instead of letting the program create my art for me, and forcing a look I'm not happy with. Make any sense at all? Paladin, thanks man. I'm very happy with the trousers, and the holster. Good poses are something I'm having trouble with. I'm trying to come up with dynamic poses without looking too comic book or anime. By that I mean poses that actual real people would be in. There is one I'm trying to do that I keep seeing, its in a Remington work, and its also mirrored in film in the movie "Appaloosa". One day I hope to find the right perspective to make it work. The truth is, this is me using OkumArts line style with Labrat style shading, and Darkmook type faces. Or trying to anyway. I'd love to be able to draw the way they do. I try, but it looks... umm... bad. So I do what I do.
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 21, 2011 17:38:22 GMT -9
The thing about the gradients makes perfect sense. Very reasonable.
It is also reasonable to credit your inspirations, but don't let them get in the way of you doing what you do. You do it well.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 17:54:11 GMT -9
Thanks Cowboy. I pretty much had let that get in my way.
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Post by paladin on Nov 21, 2011 17:57:34 GMT -9
Come on, Revgunn, your mini is not looking bad!
I think you captured this subtle "attention" pose and proportions quite well - and we're thinking along the same line in regard to historical references, I suppose, Revgunn. If you have seen my Wheelchair-General from the Hoard - this one I ripped and modified from a historical pic of a real General of the CW (Major General Daniel Sickles). Comic is one thing I would never diss, but using contemporary source material as reference, man, this gives some different vibes! Same holds true for "authentic" medieval outfits and armory/weaponry. Looking and feeling quite different from fantasy stock types ... . But could be painful and confusing to reconstruct, though there are tons of good books about historical costumes out there.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 18:17:53 GMT -9
Thanks. I'm actually fairly proud of this one.
I don't intend to diss comic book type looks at all. One thing I dearly love about Dave Okum's style is the poses he uses. The implication of motion and action. I find myself watching Westerns over again, looking at how the actors move during the gun fights. I want to add that to my figures. This guy has a "ready, just about to draw" type vibe. Then, trying to balance that out with not making something impossible to cut out.
I'm really happy with how this one is turning out.
I hadn't realized you used a historical figure for that Wheelchair General. I really like that figure btw.
In a lot of my previous work, I drew the West as I knew it, by how it looks NOW, living and growing up around cowboys, etc. I want to get the clothing more correct. This way, when I add steam-punk elements or whatever "modern" type inspiration, it looks correct even as it is anachronistic.
Sadly, a lot of the clothing worn in the 1870's and 1880's was pretty boring by our standards. I figure if I can get the correct "cut", I can then maybe jazz it up some as far as color.
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Post by paladin on Nov 21, 2011 18:44:59 GMT -9
Sadly, a lot of the clothing worn in the 1870's and 1880's was pretty boring by our standards. That's why Major General Sickles is so dark as I painted him ... . Ok. You are completely on the right track, if you are studying actor poses. That's the hardcore way. If you want, you can use still shots and turn them into miniatures. But once Okum told the crowd of this forum one thing (long time ago, he said it to Jim, if I remember ...): learn anatomy, learn drawing poses. Okum knows, what he is telling. He teaches this stuff at university. There is no way to take a shortcut. If you want to get close to Okum's level, you have to study this painful anatomy thing, at least enough for this 30mm-scale. Look at Okum's Fighting Monk sketches - you can clearly see his approach of forming the body shapes and volumes with his graphite.
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 21, 2011 19:16:48 GMT -9
I think why I like your art so much is that it is more a blending of old photos and Western Novel cover art, as opposed to movie or tv. To me that draws me in more than movie Western styles.
Excellent work
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 19:50:05 GMT -9
Thank you very kindly VK. That is high praise indeed. I grew up reading those, and staring at the covers, looking for elements of the novel inside the cover art.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 21, 2011 21:44:06 GMT -9
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Post by Parduz on Nov 22, 2011 0:37:05 GMT -9
Wow!!! Nice figure! I like the "character" behind (or inside) it. Can i try a recolor of it? I dunno if i can sort the result i have in my mind, so i don't know if i will let you see the result... Now: anyone found a hat here around?
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Post by revgunn on Nov 22, 2011 3:44:02 GMT -9
What ever you'd like to do Parduz. I'd still like to see it.
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Post by Parduz on Nov 22, 2011 6:03:29 GMT -9
It is too good to not play with it, so i started to modding it before trying my coloring idea.... i hope you don't mind (Ennio Morricone score on the background....)
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 22, 2011 8:14:45 GMT -9
I do like the flip of the coat tail in the wind.
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Post by paladin on Nov 22, 2011 14:19:40 GMT -9
Ah, Parduz is adding volume ... . Morricone is the right track for this wind flippin' coat ... .
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 22, 2011 18:52:34 GMT -9
Hey Parduz,
Watch that little bit of daylight between the coat and the gun. It'll be a pain in the butt to cut out!
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Post by Parduz on Nov 22, 2011 22:32:07 GMT -9
Hey Parduz, Watch that little bit of daylight between the coat and the gun. It'll be a pain in the butt to cut out! Yeah, thanks! It's still a WIP, but i've found how easy it is, after some time, to forgot that you're working on a miniature and not on a comic book
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Post by labrat on Nov 23, 2011 3:51:21 GMT -9
I love this figure revgunn. Perfect facial expression, especially in his eyes. I can just see him saying now, "Go ahead... make my day."
Very nice indeed. Don't want to tick this guy off.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 23, 2011 15:57:54 GMT -9
Gracias Mr Labrat. Its the mustache. Makes people look angry. Wow Parduz. I like the coat tail a lot. I'll likely steal that. I see that I did forget the back of his collar. I do however, intensely dislike your shortening of his neck. Oh well. Your version is your version. Kiladecus... dude. 9? Okay. I'll try. Its entirely possible of you don't mind re-colors of previous figures. I've been working on Saloon girls. Also, Western Zombies. Also mounted figures. I'm thinking of a "PC Set" type format, like umm... Julie Guthrie, and was it Grenadier? Used to do back in the day, with a mounted figure, an on foot figure, and I was gonna add a pose with weapons out. I'm likely letting my ambitions overload my capabilities. We'll see how it turns out.
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Post by okumarts on Nov 23, 2011 16:04:25 GMT -9
Oh my ears and whiskers how did I miss this? Looks really good. With this and the steampunk stuff I may have to start my western campaign up again. Hmm... I need a crapload of Lakota Warriors first. (looks at drawing table)...
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Post by Parduz on Nov 24, 2011 0:20:28 GMT -9
I like the coat tail a lot. I'll likely steal that. You can't. Just 'cause it's your already I do however, intensely dislike your shortening of his neck. Oh well. Your version is your version. HEY! My model just CAN'T be wrong, ok?
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 24, 2011 4:59:12 GMT -9
Wow, cool! Revgunn, did you use that picture of Clint as a reference?
I wouldn't sweat the length of the neck. Some guys are going to have proportionately longer necks than Eastwood and some things need to be exagerated to be seen at scale.
Anyway the photo really does show how the pose captures the look of a "real" gunslinger.
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Post by revgunn on Nov 24, 2011 6:29:21 GMT -9
Whoa! Interesting. I actually sketched a pose off of posemaniacs, scanned it, then dressed it. I wasn't thinking of The Man with No Name at the time...
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Post by Parduz on Nov 24, 2011 7:17:41 GMT -9
I wouldn't sweat the length of the neck. Some guys are going to have proportionately longer necks than Eastwood and some things need to be exagerated to be seen at scale. I concour. The neck was'nt wrong or too long. It is just that, with a "lowered head" i have more a "caution/ready" feel from the pose.... hard to explain.... like if, after that time when he stare in your eyes (original drawing) he's about to move the hand toward the Colt, so he's raising the shoulders and lowering the head...a matter of a pair of frames About Clint, while the figure reminds me that image, i'm not using him as a model... but after revgunn comment i wanted to check, and it happened that the two images matched..... so i've drag a pair of guide lines and take a screenshot just to make a joke
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