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Post by dragnoz on Dec 8, 2011 9:40:00 GMT -9
Was busy with another fig and suddenly inspiration struck.. this is a superhero by the name of Miss Mam.. She has an arch nemesis called DR Von Kiladecus.. What you guys think? its just a rough sketch Attachments:
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Post by Rhannon on Dec 8, 2011 10:44:53 GMT -9
four  If it is Kil will put you on ignore list. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by dragnoz on Dec 8, 2011 10:46:53 GMT -9
was gonna go for 6 but then they would have been under her chin and she would look like my grandmother.  |
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Post by hackbarth on Dec 9, 2011 2:57:56 GMT -9
Very disturbing indeed...
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Post by revgunn on Dec 9, 2011 5:49:57 GMT -9
Dude. That was a really good evil monologue.
I like the figure Dragnoz. You could have done 6 if you'd put em three in a row.... Total Recall style.
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 9, 2011 7:34:28 GMT -9
Of course the two middle ones might be considered risque if you don't do something with the low-cut front.
The face seems a little odd at this point.
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Post by dragnoz on Dec 10, 2011 1:11:51 GMT -9
hehe... this is not really a model, it was just designed to take the mickey out of kill :-P
the face is suppose to be 3 erm.. THO's as they are seemed to be referred to...
BTW that is a killer evil speech Kil.
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Post by dragnoz on Dec 10, 2011 1:17:33 GMT -9
hmm.... 3 in a row... that could be one of the figures in the 3rd army im thinking of bringing to the steam punk saga...
Army one - Purist, Moriarties Fist
Army two - Multi culturalists, Sons of Holmes
Army Three - Mutants, The Uprising
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Post by Parduz on Dec 14, 2011 16:01:26 GMT -9
May i joke a bit? This is a detail of the Neptune Fountain here in my town (clicking on the image you'll go to the english Wiki page about it)
As you can see, nipples sometime are just art ;D Ok, i did'nt want to say anything serious, just take this for what it is: a 2:00AM joke  |
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 14, 2011 16:23:16 GMT -9
Nice Parduz, the picture made me smile. Then I read the wikipedia thing and is said the statue of the god Neptune was "larger than life size" so I'm wondering: exactly how large is Neptune in real life?
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Post by Parduz on Dec 14, 2011 16:52:08 GMT -9
Nice Parduz, the picture made me smile. Then I read the wikipedia thing and is said the statue of the god Neptune was "larger than life size" so I'm wondering: exactly how large is Neptune in real life? I have no idea ;D ;D Anyway, Wiki means that the Neptune statue is larger than a human, and for us residents, used to meet with the friends under the fountain, it is simply "The Giant". |
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 14, 2011 17:28:49 GMT -9
 Love it! You are TOO FUNNY PARDUZ! LOL! That was just as funny at 9:24 when I read it. Thanks for keeping this in perspective. Such silliness... and I even take my part in this. This whole thing has gone from silly to pointless! You, Parduz, are a good friend to point out how silly we are all being about this!  Squirmydad... you confuse me. I ponder your motivations...
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Post by old squirmydad on Dec 16, 2011 18:03:14 GMT -9
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Post by sithcundman on Dec 17, 2011 1:25:55 GMT -9
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Post by dragnoz on Dec 17, 2011 1:50:58 GMT -9
cheers thanks.
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Post by paladin on Jan 12, 2012 6:07:26 GMT -9
Just stumbled across this one (maybe I am just in debating mood ...), I've missed it. First impression: what a great achievement for humanity and culture - the Italian Renaissance, Parduz! Great shot. Second impression: as those superweapon-double-breasts are the main feature of 'MissMam', you, dragnoz - as an artist - should do, whatever is in your ability, to further the impression of huge double-breasts under skin-tight and stretchy Latex. Don't forget: 30 mm scale could need some exaggeration. 'Nipples' and 30 mm scale. That's a joke in itself, isn't it? Third impression: I just wanted to say a line or two in the other - outsourced - thread, just to realize, that it was CLOSED. Sad thing. Why is the debate banned to private messages only? I think, you, dragnoz, nailed it with your remarks about ending up with motionless, lifeless robots. I once tried to start a discussion about the violence-sexuality-imbalance on this Forum in the 'Nudity'-thread. The discussion was very one-sided, I mean: it was no discussion at all.
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Post by old squirmydad on Jan 12, 2012 7:07:09 GMT -9
The other thread was closed because it was devolving into personal attacks. This thread is still open to constructive criticism. Is there such a medical condition as a fear of female breasts? If so, then Miss Mam certainly capitalizes on that fear to terrorize her enemies.
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Post by cobra on Jan 12, 2012 7:40:17 GMT -9
Is there such a medical condition as a fear of female breasts? If so, then Miss Mam certainly capitalizes on that fear to terrorize her enemies. Mastrophobia, according to www.english-for-students.com/Phobias.html /Cobra |
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Post by paladin on Jan 12, 2012 8:37:13 GMT -9
@squirmidad, ah ... ok. I see. I thought, the thread was closed AFTER all combatants settled down to a mutual cessation of hostilities. Anyway ... . cobra, Mastrophobia - the word of the year! Thanks for that. What is one man's Paradise is the other man's Hell - that's the way Creation is. Nevertheless it's better to talk and battle about these things openly than to endure the silence of a false truce or worse: bitter talk behind the backs. Open talk is healthy. |
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 12, 2012 18:12:38 GMT -9
I don't think there is much to debate about violence: I bought Fur and Buttons for my kids. They hate the "out of action" and "badly out of action" stuff. They prefer the "Killed" and "Gruesome Kill" that is in the original Song of Blades and Heroes. As much as I deplore real violence, war games are silly if you try to pretend they are not violent.
If you are using paper figs for war gaming, you are probably OK with fictional violence.
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Post by paladin on Jan 13, 2012 8:36:47 GMT -9
;D ... Hi, @cowboy ... . It was very provocative from you to react, as I am still in debating mood ... ;D. But, seriously, thanks for your reaction.
I don't know, if it's very wise and the correct place to stir the soup again ... , but I am with Okum, who said in the NUDITY-thread, that this is a very important debate. It is a deep one too - with very personal feelings and emotions towards different aspects of art and gaming. So it's natural, that feelings could get hurt during such a debate.
I have mentioned the 'violence-sexuality-IMBALANCE' - as I've put it in terms. That means: encouragement of bloody&gory art versus banning/censorship of even MILD erotica (nipples, booty and boobie forms, bare midriffs, pole posing etc.). That's even written in the forum/Hoard rules (as of Jim Hartman, I suppose). That makes sense to a certain degree in the context of child protection I wholeheartedly appreciate. BUT only to a certain degree it makes sense. Horror, Cruelty, Violence and Gore are also banned by child protection laws as is Pornography. And this is a fact due to the knowledge about the child's soul and psyche you want to protect against too harsh elements of the gruesome world of ADULTS (their world of War&Rape, you know - that's really ONE culture, as every war in History and on Mother Earth has proven ...). So, you have to ask yourself one question: why is GOREY STUFF encouraged, while SEXY STUFF is banned?
My answer is: we are talking here about the SAME ELEMENTAL psychic energy (you could call it 'Mars', if you want ...) with different faces: 'MALE' AGGRESSION, especially against it's antipode, the 'female' Harmony/Balance/Beauty (you could call it 'Venus', if you want ...). So, with IMBALANCE I mean: too much Testosterone, too few Estrogen, well, I prefer psychological models, not biochemical explanations, but you get the point ... .
As a roleplayer I am always fascinated by the COMPLETENESS of simulated game worlds - with rich settings and stories - look at Dryw's miniature collection - that's my idea of completeness. You could tell alot of LOVE stories with his minis too, if you want, not only adventuring = ethnic cleansing of dungeon level X. As Okum also put it in words: make your players in the group pay for their cruelty and worship of the God of Massacre. Make them feel, what it means to be a living meatgrinder. There should be something like a haven of peace and light (Rivendell), a better perspective and hope in your Campaign World - or it's just a big Concentration Camp, a biopolitical survival-of-the-powerful (which D&D is famous for, of course ...).
That said, I think, the PAPER form does not protect your children from 'bad influences', @cowboy - as especially paper minis could be more detailed and expressive than metal/plastics. If children have no ears for more subtle things than 'all-in-action'=killing beings, then I am really frightened.
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 13, 2012 19:20:47 GMT -9
I'd like to give you a debate but I don't really disagree. I don't dislike nipples and I don't love blood splatter. I do think some depictions of female characters are a kind of objectification but I guess all figurative art is objectification at some level. The pleasure in gaming comes from developing a successful strategy and there aught to be ways to get that satisfaction without just using a body count. There are some games based around strategies for getting rich but I find them less engaging than fictive "life and death" struggles. It would be great to have a game based around "who can build the most sustainable culture where every citizen can achieve their full potential" and let the "competitors" in the game trade and even aid each other while random natural events like earthquakes, floods and droughts are effecting them. Rather than winning base on a "Gross National Happiness" score, maybe the winner is the one who makes the greatest contributions to "Global Happiness." Oh, and an animal rights score, at least in so far as cruelty to animals makes people unhappy. Does anyone know of a game like this? Sorry Paladin, you were looking for a fight and I end up talking about cooperation |
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Post by paladin on Jan 14, 2012 8:11:29 GMT -9
... very wise words, @cowboy. I was looking for a debate, not a bar brawl - to change something. Of course, if I am in a sour mood, my voice could turn somewhat sharp and sometimes aggressive - cause I am MALE ... ;D. I agree with every word you've written, @cowboy. So we're thinking in very similar concepts, I guess. There are problems with oversexualization and 'objectivation'/degradation of female bodies - as there are problems with the humiliation/torture of every body thinkable of. E.g. I am quite disturbed by Japanese Sex Manga/Hentai (?) Culture (though I love Japanese art and culture in general), cause it's an expression of very twisted and sick concepts (underaged 'dolls' with oversized organs ...). Life and Death are - like Gold & Treasure (you have plenty of both in D&D) - core elements of what we could call 'Epic/Fairytale Storytelling'. They have their place in RPG and gaming cause they're main concerns of humans. But there are ethical problems, if you are 'leveling-up' by killing&looting only (first generation rpg rules, I guess). RPGamers are well aware of this problem, as alot of forum discussion on the net is showing. And there are rules in Basic and Classic D&D and other systems, that encouraged the rewarding of players for good roleplay, plot solving, successful monster/npc handling (= talking, diplomacy, trapping, NOT killing), successful ability checks etc. right from the start. So, the rules were always there, if gamers wanted something different out of their game than a big messy meat pit. I was a bit harsh to blame D&D for that. I should have said: the gamers are making their game, not the system. The world sim game you are sketching, @cowboy, is very similar to a boardgame I am working on for some months now. It's still too early to show any pics or rules, but I am confident to show something in the next weeks/months. This is a commercial and awfully big project for me ... but my heart is molten into this worldbuilding-thingie. I cannot say anything about the winning conditions of this game (as I've not developed anything specific - there are lots of possibilities, though) - as it's main purpose is open-ended gameplay to develop Epic Fantasy worlds & deep histories/campaigns. But I should say, that there can be 'havens of peace & light' in my game - and quite the opposite. It depends on the players' choices ... . I have to admit though, that I have no plans to integrate an animal rights score - but there are some concepts of Nature&Druidism some creatures are profiting from.
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Post by cowboyleland on Jan 14, 2012 19:57:32 GMT -9
I encourage you to continue work on that game! Who knows, it could be the next Catan. There was a game advertised in Dragon Magazine in the '80's that featured hex tiles of forest, plains etc. and the descriptive text (I think I recall) talked about shaping your world without fighting. I never owned it or heard about it again. I only mention it in case someone here might recognise it and maybe you could look into it for inspiration. Anyway, good luck. I know the art will be fabulous. |
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Post by kiladecus on Jan 15, 2012 3:39:41 GMT -9
Hmmm... Good discussion fellas, but once again, this is DRAGNOZ's art thread, not a discussion about blood vs. sexuality.
Perhaps this would be better discussed in the forum under "General Topics."
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Post by Rhannon on Jan 15, 2012 4:07:51 GMT -9
Hmmm... Good discussion fellas, but once again, this is DRAGNOZ's art thread, not a discussion about blood vs. sexuality. Perhaps this would be better discussed in the forum under "General Topics." Yes, I also agree with you. But ... but ... "Tu quoque, Kiladecus, amici mi!" ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by paladin on Jan 15, 2012 4:42:31 GMT -9
Yes, I know, Rhannon and kiladecus. I've interpreted Dragnoz's 'MissMam' as a provocative act of wild artistic freedom to beat the half-dead horse again ... ;D. As I've failed to follow your prolongated and emotional dispute in December, I just wanted to add a few lines. Of course, this is spiraling out of control very soon - so I think, Cowboy and myself have ended our conversation here (right, @cowboy?). Everything important has been said and we mutually agree. PEACE. If Dragnoz wants those last posts to be pushed into another thread, we will do this. @cowboy, thanks alot for this interesting hint. I will research this. I am right now in the rules testing/compilation phase, so every inspiration (to expand and rework the rules) is helpful. I know, that the artwork will be demanding, especially the gamecard gfx. It will suck the life out of my soul. Settlers of Catan? Yes, but on Steroids. EDIT: Did the Dragon ad look like this? -> boardgamegeek.com/image/572648/wizardsAvalon Hill's Classic "Wizards" (1982), which is LeGuin-inspired, I suppose. Esoterical, spiritual gaming, indeed. End of line, promised.
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Post by Rhannon on Jan 15, 2012 16:31:32 GMT -9
Yes, I know, Rhannon and kiladecus. I've interpreted 's 'MissMam' as a provocative act of wild artistic freedom to beat the half-dead horse again ... End of line, promised. No , no ... I like reading very interesting discussions in the right way ( and this is of course ). I just saying about OT over Dragnoz's thread. I like too provocative act of wild artistic freedom. ;D |
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Post by dragnoz on Jan 16, 2012 4:47:20 GMT -9
HAHA-... Paladin... you hit the nail right on the head... this was my way of flogging the dead horse in a new and humorous fashion. I realllyyy do not mind this being on my thread at all, it is the whole reason i posted it here after all it took all of 5 min to create and colour her. I really enjoy seeing everyones point of views and makes for fascinating reading... all i can say is.... Freud would have had a field day hehe.... We can also start a "correct usage of gramar and punctuation" thread... its the only other subject i have seen to create as much controversy in forums as nipples on paper figures... |
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Post by Rhannon on Jan 16, 2012 5:02:09 GMT -9
About serious things, dragnoz ...
The new steampunk commercial paper figures' sets? ;D
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