Growing up I watched TV commercials that featured VINCE and LARRY, the Crash Test Dummies (not to be confused with the rock band of the same time). Their tag line was, "YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A DUMMY," and expressed the importance of seatbelts.
As I was looking at the posts here from the last couple of days, I realize that I, too, can learn a lot from a dummy. I am NOT talking about wearing seatbelts, BUT learning from myself... the dummy in question.
Parduz always says he can't understand what I wrote. I will try to keep this short.
You may notice that your threads are shorter. I "edited" many posts. I will not be posting a lot here anymore.
When people ask for an opinion, I give it. People know what I will say before I say it most of the time. People have even posted things to make fun of me. I tried to joke with it and have fun. Then I see other people are attacking that, too.
This is what I do for fun. When MANY people attack you and make fun of you, then it is no longer fun.
There will be updates from me on my projects and releases with PaperMakeiT. Aside from that, I won't be saying much... not that what I say means much anyway.
For those wanting to take the "wind out of my sails," I concede. You win. I hope that it was worth it to you. I doubt I had much to offer to you anyway.
Thank you for your attention.
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
I'd hate to stop hearing about your enthusiasm and artistically creative projects, but that's just me being selfish. You have to make the call and do what's comfortable for you. Just know that there is a contingent out there that thinks you are awesome and wants you to participate as much as much as you can. Personally I really missed your posts earlier in the year when you were away. That said, do what you got to do and take care of yourself. I'm looking forward to building some sweet vehicles for my retrospace figures.
I thought about writing this all in a private message, but i decided to write it here. If you felt that i attacked you, in any way, then i'm on my knees asking for your perdon. Because i did'nt want this at all. I feel that in the time we pass here we're developing the "virtual" equivalent of a good friendship. While it is true that i'm often unable to fully follow your post, that was only my fault. I have no school of english, my first english book was Car Wars Deluxe rulebook, and then technical manuals, as my job (i'm a programmer) required it when i was in the automation machinery industry. Then Internet becomed my daily exercise. So i'm used to read short, dry sentence; i'm lost in long, elaborate, or just "narrative" reading 'cause i miss the point and i may not know a lot of words. Said this, i was just joking with you, in a good meaning. I may have got the wrong feeling, and you did'nt liked it.... or that you did'nt feel the same "friendship"..... or perhaps my inhability gives you the wrong feeling that i was serious and really attacking you. I dunno. What i always do is using the emoticons here to help, but i know that they're too little.
So, now that i said it here, the whole community can bash me if they think i'm over the line: i'll accept it 'cause i never know how my post really sounds.
Anyway, Kiladecus, apologizes again if i concour to this decision: really, i feel it wrong and, for what i know of you, it will be not fun anymore for you 'cause staying shut when you want to express yourself is frustrating (and i know it for really).
First off, I have recieved many emails, PM's and the comments here. Thank you for your support.
Rev, DUDE, I see you as much as a friend as I could have here. My decision to post less has NOTHING to do with you. You and I have a friendship where we can bust each others chops and laugh at ourselves while doing it. The MAIN difference was you "felt" I was attacking you at one time. I wasn't. I "feel" that there have been some DILIBERATE attacks at me, and trying to be a good sport, and take the "high ground," I jokingly made my evil monologue speech.. laughing at myself all the while. But then to get attacked by doing THAT, I felt a line had been crossed.
I received a great email from a friend this morning, and HE apologized if I was upset with him. I have EVERY one of his figures (MOST with bare mid-drifts) and I enjoy his work! He has proven to be a BRILLIANT artist and game designer, and an even BETTER friend. I expressed these thoughts:
1) I am NOT going to stop posting here altogether. I will still post when it is important, or I feel moved to do so.
2) I am not "taking my crayons and going home." ALTHOUGH, that was BRILLIANT advice from someone that must be HIGHLY INTELLIGENT. (Sounds like he was someone that was looking out for your best interest, and for the interest of the people in this forum).
3) Now that I am trying to cross over into the world of commercial design, I need to use the better part of valor as to what I write and post. People here know me, and what I am about. I guess if you poke a bear, it will retaliate. Now that I am trying to move onto the next level, it is time I need to realize, I am NOT a bear.
4) There is one person here that I need to be more like... Dave Graffam. (Please don't read more into this than is intented). Mr. Graffam only posts on his own site (unless I am mistaken, which I am often). If it has to do with him, he posts. Otherwise, he may read other threads, but I don't recall seeing anything that he has commented on.
Glenn Williams only posts if it is something that TRULY intrigues him. Even then, it is only positive feedback.
I need to be more like them.
One person here who has my respect as of late is Rhannon. He was able to tell me where my figures' flaws were in a way that was concise and respectful. He could have said, "Give it up, YOU SUCK!" but instead, he said, that the faces of my figures didn't translate well and looked "messed up."
I know that if it weren't for the HOURS of hard work that BilliamBabble put into the figures, then they wouldn't have looked as good as they did!
Likewise, my forum submissions only look as good as they do because of work that Sirrob and Adam Souza have put into them. Sure, my figures WILL improve in time, and it is from the feeback from people like Rhannon that will help me.
As far as Parduz... Parduz, what am I going to do with you? You have NEVER made me feel put down. You have only ever made me feel good, and we joke often! We are good friends.
As far as anyone thinking they offended me, I guess I can narrow it down to a couple people... but in retrospect, I should thank them. It is one thing to be the "class clown" on the site, but it is another to wear a "KICK ME" sign, too.
I will be here. I will read all the posts. I will have my opinions. I will leave it there. If you are an AMAZING artist and produce something INCREDIBLE, then you may get a "Good job!" out of me. Consider that equal to a 5 paragraph response.
Once again, thank you for your attention.
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
Post by cowboyleland on Dec 13, 2011 5:57:58 GMT -9
Well that last one seems a little less dramatic than the first one. I feel like I'm going to miss it when you don't comment on some stuff. I enjoyed your "evil" monologue and felt you had taken the high road and turned a negative into a positive in a very judo/tia chi kind of way. I hope you don't feel that "kilottiecus" was an attack. I was honestly trying to offer a compromise. (It is a Canadian thing). Please, if you read something on this forum and feel an urge to comment, don't fight it too hard. Edit all you like, but don't clam up all together.
On the other hand, maybe it's the herd that is crazy.
Post by josedominguez on Dec 13, 2011 7:44:28 GMT -9
Balls to the lot of them
Don't let it bother you, I don't.
Sociopathy has it's upside.
Keep up the slightly long winded, rambling but good work. At least you take time out of your day to post something constructive, rather than have a pop at someone else. If I have a problem with something I'm reading then I STOP READING I wouldn't waste more of my time writing about it I pity those that that do. It must a fairly sad, negative existence.
I'm not a young boy and my weaknesses in the English language can cause misunderstandings and this is my fault, not yours.
I can't always understand long speeches/posts in another language, because one thing is to read, and another is to understand the full meaning from the words. So often I don't reply, and when, sometimes, I do it, because I enjoy it, I'm always afraid of my possible mistakes or I can create misunderstandings that could hurt someone.
I see that Parduz understands better than me, so I would like use some his words:
... Anyway, Kiladecus, apologizes again if i concour to this decision: really, i feel it wrong and, for what i know of you, it will be not fun anymore for you 'cause staying shut when you want to express yourself is frustrating ...
I remember one of your first posts ...
"I just said". Do you remember?
All people can "say". I don't always agree with some opinions but always I respect them. And all people can say "I just said" for me.
I give a feedback about your skeletons' faces, for you and for me ( I'm waiting for many of your finished works. Especially paper figures because I love them above all ), but I like your first whole job enough to buy it.
My other words, in other topics, for my, are just jokes among ( virtual ) friends. I think that all this forum's users are friends ( because there is a common interest/passion ) but probably so, I got too much freedom with you/they. And this, with my inaccurate writing, has made the problem.
I apologize about this with you and hope you can change your decision about it.
Post by stevelortz on Dec 13, 2011 18:43:30 GMT -9
I started sculpting figures back in 1977. In 1978, I had to walk away from it for awhile to get my head back on straight. I couldn't look at a competitor's figure without getting upset. It wasn't fun anymore. And if I wasn't having fun sculpting, I couldn't make my figures fun for anybody else. So I did something else for awhile to recover my perspective.
I got back into sculpting in 1979. It was fun again, and I've never made the mistake of taking it too seriously since. I don't sculpt anymore, for a variety of reasons, but it's still fun for me, and that's why I'm here.
And YOU make an important contribution to that fun, kiladecus!
I don't really know what this brouhaha is all about, but I'm glad I'm here, and I'm glad you're here, and I look forward to seeing the expressions of your own particular creativity!
Have fun! Steve
Last Edit: Dec 13, 2011 18:44:47 GMT -9 by stevelortz
Post by old squirmydad on Dec 16, 2011 18:16:42 GMT -9
Not just about you Kiladecus, just my opinion and experience for all artists.
As an artist, and as someone who has employed hundres of artists over the years, I understand the effects of criticism. Art is personal. Criticism should be impersonal. When people cut down your work it hurts, but it's your work that is being criticized not you. Please try to keep this separation in mind as you work, it may help.
Actually, I feel I haven't attacked ANY artist nor their work personally.
Labrat (not to keep dragging MORE people into this) asked for suggestions for his Orcs. They looked really good! Parduz and I (among others) made a couple suggestions. As a result, (at least in my opinion), the figure looked even better than the original after listening to the advice of others. That wasn't attacking him nor his work.
I mentioned the eye on RevGunn's Lottie figure. CowboyLeland "fixed" it. Was I attacking anyone? No. Just pointed something out. I also mentioned another suggestion. It is what it is. I can not speak for Rev, but I never got the impression he was upset with me.
I released my Skeleton's as a part of INKED ADVENTURES' Encounter Lairs 4 set. Rhannon pointed out that a couple of the faces had "issues." Was I offended? No. I actually thanked him for (first of all buying the set) but also for offering feedback in a polite manner. His primary language was Italian, and he still said what he wanted to in a polite, professional manner.
That brings us to the next part. I was going to post this onto the removed thread that side-tracked Dragnoz's thread, but you removed the ability to reply, so I will say what I need to here.
I wish that thread (like so many things in my past) could just disappear. There were MANY malicious, and childish comments made in that thread! Most were made by me. I am ashamed for the way I acted, and the fact that I am a 41 year old father of 8 kids, behaving worse than my 5 year old. Had I been at the park with him, and he behaved HALF as bad as I did, I would apply discipline!
I wish now to offer this FORMAL APOLOGY to Dragnoz, RevGunn and most of all, SITHCUNDMAN. My behavior was uncalled for, and my actions were embarrassing!
I am sorry I lashed out as I did, and I will continue posting here, but will continue to use discretion as to what I write, and take into account the feelings of others.
I never meant to push my views on others, nor did I mean to act like a bully.
I write this in what is supposed to be the time of year where we are to offer kindness and peace to our fellowman. Take this as you will. I can honestly say that I deeply mean every word I am typing.
I would also like to thank you personally, Squirmydad, for "cleaning up my mess." You do a great job on this forum, and I have been a big fan of your work in the past.
I know there are many people here that may not like me. I can truly say tonight that there are none that like me less than I do!
To sum up (so Parduz doesn't have to translate this)
I HAVE ACTED POORLY.
I HAVE BEEN RUDE, IF NOT MEAN.
I AM SORRY FOR MY ACTIONS.
I ASK YOU FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO FORGIVE ME.
Finally... in all sincerity... I actually DID like the squirrel avatar better. That's what I recognized you as for the last couple years. However, it is your choice, and I respect that... for what it's worth.
Thank you all for your attention.
Game Designer, BETA Tester, Model Designer, Figure Designer... HEY! It's what I do...
Post by sithcundman on Dec 17, 2011 2:53:19 GMT -9
Having different points of view is what makes us interesting. Being prepared to defend our point of view is what makes us courageous. Accepting that there are other, equally valid, points of view makes us wise.
You had a different viewpoint to me, and you’re perfectly entitled to do that, everyone is. If I say or do anything that anyone disagrees with, I am more than happy for them to pull me up on it…in fact I encourage it. Heck, if someone puts forward a compelling counter argument I’ve even been known to change my mind. It would be a boring world if we all agreed all the time. Person A: I think that insert opinion here Person B: I agree end of conversation
My problem was not so much with what you said, but how you said it, and from what you saying now, it’s no longer an issue. So there’s nothing in need of forgivness
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" ...though, “to the death” is probably putting it a bit strong.
shep: Also, all the best for the rest of you lot. Stay save, get well, whatever you need!
Apr 7, 2020 21:39:28 GMT -9
shep: Great sentiment, @coyotepunc! All the best for your son, and get well yourself, too...
Apr 7, 2020 21:38:40 GMT -9
Coyotepunc: Thanks, guys. He's still pretty sick, but no trouble breathing. So we are staying away from the hospitals, so the people who truly need them can use them.
Apr 7, 2020 20:07:59 GMT -9
squirmydad: My supervisor's state of mind; she's been climbing the walls begging to put us back in the game. All of Maintenance and Administration are still out, but my supervisor wants to invent projects to bring us back in.
Apr 7, 2020 13:23:32 GMT -9
Vermin King: So, essentially, what was so essential today?
Apr 7, 2020 13:16:18 GMT -9
squirmydad: I've been declared "Essential" for today only. Off to work, paper-crafting tonight then.
Apr 7, 2020 6:34:17 GMT -9
Vermin King: Two months?!? I need to stop whining. Where's my Wambulance?
Apr 7, 2020 6:05:47 GMT -9
wyvern: Anecdotally, a number of people seem to have been ill with a protracted 'flu-like illness since last winter (NOT Covid-19). I had 'flu for two months from mid December myself. Unhelpfully, my symptoms included cough + fever, identical to Covid-19.
Apr 7, 2020 4:26:04 GMT -9
Vermin King: Best of luck with that, Coyotepunc. Being sick since 03/17, I can somewhat relate to your condition, but I don't have the worry of my kid having problems on top of my own. All the best, sir
Apr 7, 2020 3:58:13 GMT -9
alloydog: @coyotepunc - even at 30+, they still yer babies! Not that they appreciate being called that!
Apr 7, 2020 1:14:36 GMT -9
alloydog: Of course, it doesn't help if the mucus is in the trachea.
Apr 7, 2020 1:13:33 GMT -9
alloydog: old squirmydad mentioned fennel tea. If that sort of thing is not for you, or is hard to get, I saw a WHO video where they said to drink plenty of warm/hot drinks, such as tea, coffee, even milk, because it helps shift mucus from the throat to the stomach.
Apr 7, 2020 1:13:07 GMT -9
Coyotepunc: So it's going to be a long night of taking his temp every hour... he's 19 but still my baby
Apr 6, 2020 17:56:28 GMT -9
Coyotepunc: I've been dealing with a variety of covid-19 symtpoms since January, except for the fever (12% of cases have no fever.) My kid woke up with almost all the symptoms including high fever today.
Apr 6, 2020 17:56:01 GMT -9
squirmydad: Bag is handy, if you find it loose use the seeds, but then you need something like an infuser or it's a mess.
Apr 6, 2020 7:24:51 GMT -9
shep: most likely bag...
Apr 6, 2020 6:32:37 GMT -9
ignatious: just out of curiosity squimrydad, for the tea seed, frond, or bulb?
Apr 6, 2020 2:37:53 GMT -9
Vermin King: My friend Mike brought a sword to his church last night, but since he was there recording his sermon for today, he thought it would be okay
Apr 5, 2020 18:27:03 GMT -9
marcpasquin: Every time I go out, my wife tells me to be safe and reminds that as this is not a zombie apocalypse, I am not allowed to bring a chainsword with me to the grocery store.
Apr 5, 2020 17:44:30 GMT -9
Vermin King: No, this is the first time I have heard of it
Apr 5, 2020 14:05:13 GMT -9