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Post by kiladecus on Mar 19, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -9
A brilliant design! The only piece that was a surprize for me was the top fo the engine cell. I was a little curious of the bottom slope, but then I realized it sat on the rear tire well, and it made a straight slope up the rear of the unit. The tires were... interesting. At first, I thought that they'd be easy. They were basic fold-overs. Not the case. They were not fiddly (NO part of it was, which is a great thing in itself), they were not hard... just a little "tricky" if anything. Attaching the fold-out tabs (great concept, by the way) to the "inside" of the tire (which I colored black) was a bit tedious while aligning the tires. Aside from that, it wasn't bad at all. I used a "weld" of glue around the inside of the tire to "seal" the tire and the rim, and make it more solid. I figure the bead of glue will dry, and you won't be able to see it as well. After I got it done, I was thinking that I might buy some of the brass pushpins to put on the outside of the wheel rims to give it a little more detail and a little more... umph. All in all, I would have to say: It is a striaght-forward model that is good for any model level... nothing too difficult, and not too easy. Very well balanced. It looks FANTASTIC when it is finished! and it looks like it will be a LOT of fun to play on the battle field! I just have one question for the designer: The main weapon: Do you see this as a ballistic weapon? A flame weapon? Or an energy (lightning-type) weapon? I was curious, because when I point up vehicles in my games, I try to keep them as pure to the designer's concepts as possible. Thanks for your attention, and for the opportunity to build this great model! David
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 19, 2012 10:34:48 GMT -9
Hey, not that you need my endorsements, because I am nobody, really, BUT, I was thinking about all of the potential uses for this model! Sure, there is the: > Steampunk/ Weird War II setting But have you also considered THIS? > Fantasy Dwarven "Dragon Wagon" style flame vehicle > Warhammer 40K Ork "Killa Kan" proxies > Even Civil War/ Wild, Wild, West kinda thing (other than Victorian Steampunk) This could be a mobile turret for even Sci-Fi! Think of the MANY storylines that feature resistance fighters! The Rebel Alliance, the Maquis, among others! Couldn't THEY benefit from this, and it would blend in so well! Let's face it, Tony Stark's first Iron Man costume wasn't the red and gold warrior we are used to seeing, right? Seriously, I think this MAY have the most potential for ANY model I have ever built! Also, because of the basic shape of the thing, you could also use it as a seige engine in either 30mm or even 15mm wargames! Way to go!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 19, 2012 11:01:08 GMT -9
I'm glad there were two sets of wheels on that page. I was less than satisfied with my first set.
I assumed it was ballistic, but I see no reason you can't consider it a flame-thrower device.
Very good description, mirroring my own experience. The wheels aren't something you should speed through. Take your time with them and they come out great. Get in a hurry and they come out wobbly. Everything else is almost impossible to mess up ... I like that.
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 19, 2012 11:38:59 GMT -9
Thanks for the build feedback. Instructions are done, just a few more promotional bits to put in place as this is the next Mayhem in Paper commercial product. I'm glad to hear that the wheels weren't too fiddly; I like the look of them and I intend to use that build design on all of the light Cog Cruisers(tm). The revised version has three more tabs added to the rims so they should be easier to align. The nose cannon is intended to be a light breech-loading ballistic weapon, although, on your tabletop it can be a flamethrower, I won't mind. The final version also includes a shorter multi-barrelled gun like a gatling but with way too many barrels. I've got various doodles of a "lightning cannon", but nothing I'm entirely happy with yet so that will have to wait. The very first time I built the white model version I looked at it and said, "Hmm, Exterminate! Exterminate!" ;D Thanks again for all of the feedback.
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 19, 2012 11:45:13 GMT -9
Did anybody else notice what a "hot spot" Kiladecus's Cruiser is in?
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 19, 2012 12:15:09 GMT -9
Not until you mentioned it ...
This guy is a real winner. Full of character. I can just see turning a corner in a downtown area and having three of these guys, building to building, blocking the street and ready to take me out.
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 19, 2012 12:48:17 GMT -9
I was actually running late to work, and the kitchen was the only place I could get that pick with enough light for my crappy cell phone's camera! I was going to get more graphic pics with Dragnoz's Shock troops running alongside it, but as I said, I was running late... I also planned to throw some of Graffam's buildings in the background since they match the style SO well. Very nice model, in case I hadn't mentioned it.
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 20, 2012 12:29:15 GMT -9
Only six years in the crafting... ;D Prepare to conquer a 19th century Europe that never was with Professor Schturm's latest creation; the Steam Tower.
Perfectly at home on a VSF battlefield on Earth or even battling alien barbarians the Steam Tower is ready to exterminate!
I use it for VSF gaming but honestly you're welcome to attack whomever you please with it.
The Steam Tower is a two page model with three color schemes and two weapons options presented in both 30mm and, as a bonus, 15mm scale. Construction of the 30mm version is fairly easy and it comes complete with instructional photographs.
The Steam Tower is the first in my line of Cog Cruisers.
$3.50usdrpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/100649/Steam-Tower-by-Mayhem-in-Paper
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 21, 2012 11:23:27 GMT -9
The next Cog Cruiser is the Hamilton Ram CGI version and wooden prototype version that I built for my son on a lark. This one will be released after I complete the Shinto Shrine.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 21, 2012 12:19:44 GMT -9
That's an interesting piece, but the first thing that came to mind is, how do you get in? I imagine that is handled in the textures.
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 21, 2012 12:54:39 GMT -9
That's an interesting piece, but the first thing that came to mind is, how do you get in? I imagine that is handled in the textures. Roof hatch and a ladder.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 21, 2012 13:30:43 GMT -9
Do you do much woodworking? At one time I was doing a lot of projects for my son, but now that he's older, he's gone from toys to furniture. Toys were a lot more fun.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Mar 21, 2012 23:23:13 GMT -9
I know I'm way of topic but I really like those litle wooden men people make for wargamming....hmm sorry I lost my link to a good site of pics...hopefully this shows Your wooden tank looks like it would fit in well with that style of figure. (thats meant as a compliment On topic any plans to texture (retetxure) the gnome walker thingy?
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 22, 2012 5:09:26 GMT -9
Have you considered this? Make the tank thingy into a, well, a tank! Keep the wheels the way they are, but (if nothing else) offer optional treads that will connect the wheels to be tank treads. It wouldn't be that difficult, and it could really give the model a little more presence on the gaming table. I know with your texturing abilities, this thing will just rock, but I just thought that I would make a small suggestion... ;D
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 22, 2012 14:31:19 GMT -9
Treads? Hmm, that'd be another page, not a bad optional bit...maybe.
I don't do much fine woodworking- tons of carpentry though. My parents were house flippers (32 homes in 14 years, all in the same small town) so I grew up learning how to build. My day job is as a scenic artist and technician, more tech than scenic work these days, and in my off times I build things for my house like custom shelves, loft beds for my kids, and I'm currently building a home office for my wife. This summer I finally get to build a real shop in my backyard.
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 23, 2012 6:06:45 GMT -9
I was thinking a couple fold-over pieces one on the top, and one on the bottom.
You can fit two of these sets on an extra sheet. Maybe you can throw on a couple more optional pieces (like with the weapon options from the Steam Tower).
What ever you chose to do will be amazing, I have no doubt.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 23, 2012 10:08:50 GMT -9
On treads, I like the textured box way of doing them. I think a WWI look with larger drive-wheels in the front, tapering down towards the back would retain the look of this vehicle, keep the Steampunk feel, and give some variety for what can be done with the model. I like the concept a lot.
(and like kiladecus was saying, extra weapon packs are never a bad thing)
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 23, 2012 14:23:37 GMT -9
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 23, 2012 16:04:29 GMT -9
VERY nice, indeed! Looking GREAT!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 16:50:59 GMT -9
Superb!: quality texturing + nice colours => personally I like all variations! Perhaps just to add some individual touch I would ask (well, I recognize that it would "cost" substantial(!) additional effort and in most cases it's not worth/or just not possible (depends on technique involved) - so it's just kinda open question! for some texture differentiation... ...but it would be like (vide old saying) being "young, beautiful, rich and happy" all at the same time
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 26, 2012 17:09:29 GMT -9
Superb!: quality texturing + nice colours => personally I like all variations! Perhaps just to add some individual touch I would ask (well, I recognize that it would "cost" substantial(!) additional effort and in most cases it's not worth/or just not possible (depends on technique involved) - so it's just kinda open question! for some texture differentiation... ...but it would be like (vide old saying) being "young, beautiful, rich and happy" all at the same time Thanks. It's honestly quite tempting to just play with the same model and keep throwing variations at it until the cows come home...The way I have it set up on my master photoshop layout the texturing and coloring can be easily changed by altering three layers; difference clouds overlay, metallics overlay, color overlay. My thought is to finish this model with it's current scheme because the next one has me champing at the bit excited to get started on it. Some different wheels for Lord Hamiltons Ram; And a silhouette preview of the next Cog Cruiser;
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Post by dragnoz on Mar 26, 2012 22:54:25 GMT -9
I am really loving your designs!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 27, 2012 6:42:00 GMT -9
Excellent view of the next one. Definitely a second generation tank.
One thing that the sideview reminds me of is a steamroller. Oddly enough, many of the prototype tanks, when every military knew they needed armored support for infantry, but didn't really know what they were needing, had their designs built around steamrollers and steam tractors, ie the Frott Laffley Landfort.
Perhaps a steamrollerish tank would be worth considering down the road.
How big is this next guy going to be?
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 27, 2012 8:25:54 GMT -9
In case anyone tries to google the Frott Laffley that VK mentions, you have better luck with "landship." It is cool
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Post by kiladecus on Mar 27, 2012 12:09:35 GMT -9
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Post by old squirmydad on Mar 28, 2012 10:07:58 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 28, 2012 12:40:27 GMT -9
Back on topic, discussions on early mechanized armored infantry support units is very interesting. We look back with our knowledge of recent tanks and wonder what a lot of these designers were thinking, but at the time they were designing things that were hardly even dreamed of. Late 1800s, they were looking for something to open up barbed wire so infantry could progress. WWI, they needed to cross trenches. They also needed to have mobile units that could take out the other guys' mobile units. I was really surprised by one of them I read about. A giant armored box with a huge gun. Took 14 men to run it. When you power it up the box rises so that the thing could move (upwards of 9 miles an hour), but then when you get into position, the box drops to the ground yielding a very stable platform.
Almost nothing you come up with will be more far-fetched than the historical designs.
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Post by old squirmydad on Apr 6, 2012 22:58:35 GMT -9
First beta finished, some mild tweaking to do, but a 97% successful build.
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Post by kiladecus on Apr 7, 2012 3:47:48 GMT -9
Let me know if you need another Beta-Test! ;D
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Post by gilius on Apr 7, 2012 5:26:00 GMT -9
This looks so impressive, I don't know where the 3% of wrong are hiding ;D
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