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Post by Parduz on Oct 25, 2010 15:46:04 GMT -9
Uh.... thanks! This is an update  The faces are just experiments, i hope to have the originals icon "sources" to work with... About the various status, let me try to resume. DONE- Burning - Frozen - Poisoned - Stunned ... can we say that Stunned, Transfixed, Petrified, Deafened are the same, or there is some difference that i am missing? easy doable (= i have ideas about how to make these and i'm pretty sure that what i have in mind will work) - Surprised - Blessed / Cursed - Hiding - Flying doable (i have ideas, have to look how it will come out) - Bleeding - Pinned - Overwatch (there's any other word for this???) hard to do (= i may be not able to obtain the "effect" i want) - Frenzied - Routing (is this not the same as Frenzied?) - Prone How do you think i may do these??? (no idea: suggestions welcome) - Casting spell (curiosity: what game requires a thing like this?  ) - Blinded - Reloading - Out of ammo - Fallen I'd pass- Wound taken (this is, imho, a case when beads, chits, dice or anithing else is better than a stand-up marker.... am i wrong?) As you see, i'm trying to draw them not too serious and keeping them simple... i accept suggestions about how to represent the status that i can't imagine myself... tonsha: i'm using CorelDraw. Dominic: i like Cabby... i have thought at "Pappy" (from "paper")... hope that it is not a bad word in english. If our admins and Masters agree, they could open a thread with suggestion, and a final poll to have his name  |
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Post by MemeLordJerry on Oct 25, 2010 17:12:47 GMT -9
I can use these in DDM skirmish too! Sweet!
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Post by Dominic on Oct 26, 2010 0:36:17 GMT -9
Here are some suggestions: - Casting spell I don't think this is of much use either, unless there's a system where a spell is cast over several rounds. Wasn't there something like that in 3.5, when you had to roll a skill check when getting damage? I don't remember... As for actual suggestions... Eyes closed, colorful sparks circling around it maybe? - Blinded This one should be easy, either blindfolded or with a bar of balck haze in front of the eyes - Reloading Probably same as casting a spell - I mean the question whether it's necessary or not. I don't have any ideas on how to portray that. - Out of ammo see above. - Fallen For this condition I'd prefer toppling the miniature rather than a token, but it might be doable by rotating Cabby as if he's be laying on the ground (Or maybe Cabby's a she?). (How about calling it Cabby Pappy?  ) I also agree with oyu on wound taken, unless it's something like bloodied in 4E. That could be covered with "bleeding", unless you want it to portray ongoing damage rather than 1/4 max hit points. But to quote Amy, "This is where it gets complicated". |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 26, 2010 1:39:20 GMT -9
Blessed and Cursed WIP  |
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Post by Sirrob01 on Oct 26, 2010 2:14:04 GMT -9
really liking these Parduz |
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Post by whiteknight06604 on Oct 26, 2010 2:44:49 GMT -9
these look excellent.the "casting spell" marker would not be of use to most games but in 1st edition Advanced dungeons and Dragons some spells require you to concentrat over multible rounds on the spell or it's effect ends.If it's something most people have no use for skip it as there are so many of these with "universal" uses that can be done.Thank you for these they will be of great use in my games.
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Post by Dominic on Oct 26, 2010 3:54:32 GMT -9
The cursed one is just so cute... Even cuter than the frozen one...  |
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Post by glennwilliams on Oct 26, 2010 5:48:49 GMT -9
There was a Lil Abner character who always went around under a rain cloud--cursed. Yep, cursed is cute . . . oh, wait.
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Oct 26, 2010 5:56:50 GMT -9
Dude! These are great! My only suggestion would be to have someone (sirrob ) make a .GSD for these. And maybe bolster up the area where the pole and grass meet... might prove to be a bit flimsy... maybe you could add some taller grass, or a rock to make the weakened area not so close to the bottom? At any rate... AWESOME job and I'll be using these bad boys for sure! Excellent idea, my friend! And much needed! onemonkeybeau |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 26, 2010 6:41:38 GMT -9
Again, thanks to all. This is the last update for today:  Some skulls "faces" are not finished (frozen/poisoned) and some details need to be tweakened, but more or less the things will come out as you see it now. As usual, feel free to criticize what i've done. Summary: DONE- Burning - Frozen - Poisoned - Stunned ... can we say that Stunned, Transfixed, Petrified, Deafened are the same, or there is some difference that i am missing?- Blessed - Cursed - Hiding - Bleeding - Pinned - Frenzied- Routing (is this not the same as Frenzied?) (mistakenly labeled as frenzied, sorry... easy doable (= i have ideas about how to make these and i'm pretty sure that what i have in mind will work) - Surprised - Flying - Blinded (thanks, Satrek) doable (i have ideas, have to look how it will come out) - Overwatch (there's any other word for this???) - Frenzied I'd pass- Wound taken - Casting spell - Reloading - Out of ammo - Fallen / Prone You are free to insist on these one, if you really need it, but (other than the Fallen one) i have no idea about how to draw them. Questions:1) i planned to make the base 1cm wide (the black tab) to not clutter the table. But they may be too little, i'm unsure. What size you think it best? (if you want to do a print test, the linked picture should be 109.13mm wide). 2) Do you like more all black borders, or colored borders (like the one around the clouds in the blessed/cursed)? 3)i agree with onemonkeybeau. So, you experienced paper minis user, what is the "minimum width limit" for a "safe" paper pole? Thanks again |
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Post by Dominic on Oct 26, 2010 11:09:27 GMT -9
I love the frozen one!
Anyway, I don't know about the bloodied one, it looks good, with Cabby's expression and all, but the blood bottle somehow feels out of place.
As for bases... I don't know, it can get crowded in the midst of a fight, but I can't think of a better way to fasten it to a base...
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Post by brynbrenainn on Oct 26, 2010 21:41:02 GMT -9
As for bases... I don't know, it can get crowded in the midst of a fight, but I can't think of a better way to fasten it to a base... Well, they are paper markers - and many use paper minis... There are a lot of ways to base minis, but in some cases it is possible to just stick the marker in the same base slot as the marked mini. |
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Post by cobra on Oct 26, 2010 22:18:06 GMT -9
Anyway, I don't know about the bloodied one, it looks good, with Cabby's expression and all, but the blood bottle somehow feels out of place. Instead of the blood bottle, you could add one or two drops of blood dripping down the pole from the skull. (this might also be a better way to illustrate the poison marker, using green drops instead of red) Suggestion regarding an Out of Ammo marker: Draw an arrow or a (maybe empty) quiver of arrows with a large (red) X over. Suggestions for other markers: Frenzy: Angry skull in a red circle? Overwatch: large eye instead of a skull /Cobra |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 26, 2010 23:49:03 GMT -9
I think i need to rewrite my question 1) as it is not clear:
I'm thinking at the scale of the whole thing.
Right now is 10mm wide, ~35mm high (it depends on what i place on the top of that poor skull).
When printed it seems really tiny. I may scale the whole thing at, say, 150% or just scale the base and the "top orb", making it larger but not taller... what you will like more?
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 0:13:22 GMT -9
I think a little larger is better, yes. 150% might di the trick, but it's hard to imagine how it will work on the gaming table.
Out of curiosity, what exactly is "overwatched"?
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Post by Parduz on Oct 27, 2010 0:32:33 GMT -9
"Overwatch(ing)" is a term found in some GW ruleset (i think they copyrighted the word?). It means that the figure is able to react when some "event" arise, interrupting the turn of the player that raised the event.
The most "famous" overwatch rule is in "Space Hulk": the marines enters in "overwatch" and can shoot at genestealers when they enters in Line of Sight.
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 2:22:53 GMT -9
So it's like having an action readied in D&D? A squinting Cabby might work, although I'm inclined to think that a player who's "overwatching" is keeping a keen eye on the table and doesn't need a marker - unless it's something that can apply to a larger number of minis at the same time (I'm not a skirmisher or wargamer so I'm not that familiar with these rules).
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Post by jabbro on Oct 27, 2010 3:48:37 GMT -9
Parduz, these look great. I like them all. Very creative so far.
As for the size, you may be able to get by just thickening the pole and not rescaling the whole thing. Maybe just make the pole twice as thick. You would not have to change anything else that way. I don't know. It depends how your print test goes.
Some other status icons not mentioned but may be helpful to some:
Invisible - Empty bubble?
Paralyzed/Snared/etc. - Wrapped in chain
Keep up the good work. These will be useful.
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 5:20:26 GMT -9
Looking at the last WIP again it occured to me that the rain on the "blessed" Cabby looks... uhm... ambiguous. Maybe the cloud is enough and you should drop the rain?  |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 27, 2010 5:39:10 GMT -9
Looking at the last WIP again it occured to me that the rain on the "blessed" Cabby looks... uhm... ambiguous. Maybe the cloud is enough and you should drop the rain? i don't get what you mean... anyway i've understood that that sunrays poking thru the clouds are not clearly sunrays ;D I'll try to make them better |
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 5:56:49 GMT -9
They just look like yellow liquid dripping down on him, and a peeing cloud is no blessing in my book  . I actually didn't think as a far as sunbeams, which would be obvious after looking at the cursed one. Maybe emphasize the sun mure, breaking through the cloud. I just wondered, how about "dead"? Are there games where minis remain on the board after they are killed? Or games that have quick'n'dirty ways of raising someone? My players insist on looting every body, but they usually let me put the minis off the table as long as they can still see them. Greedy buggers |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 27, 2010 6:29:19 GMT -9
Ugh!! Maybe emphasize the sun mure, breaking through the cloud. Yes, there's too much yellow, and the sunbeams are not so visible. I tryed with a sun and with a halo (that ring the saints have over the head) but there was too much "circles" and i didnt liked it. I just wondered, how about "dead"? A bit hard.... it is already a skull, and so some themes are hard to be "iconized" with it I think i'd stay with what we have now and i'd do another set in the future. Meanwhile i may have some ideas about the status that i've not do right now. |
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Oct 27, 2010 6:55:15 GMT -9
So I've been thinking about how the actual logistical gameplay use of these would play out...
I love the idea of these but am a little skeptical of how the real-world gameplay aspect will pan out...
So, as I was looking at my figures I noticed something in common with every single one of them... their bases have a lot of unused real estate on them...
Why not mount these AWESOME status markers onto straight pins and stick them directly into the base?
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Mount just the status marker orbs (sans the pole) onto plastic paperclips and 'clip' them onto the figs as needed?
onemonkeybeau
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 10:45:36 GMT -9
I like the paperclip idea. In my group we use rings of pipe cleaner for marks and effects like hunter's querry. I didn't think to add those to the list, seeing how they are potentially unique to 4E. The paperclips have the advantage of allowing multiple markers per mini, something that might not always work with additional bases. As for "dead", I think something like  would do the trick if there was a point to it. |
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Post by Parduz on Oct 27, 2010 13:31:00 GMT -9
Onemonkeybeau:
that is what i said in my first "announce" of these things:
you may base it, or glue a needle in the pole (a friend uses a game terrain made over foam, his trees and stuffs have no bases but a "nail" and he plant the things directly on the terrain.
So he will plant the markers side of a mini base.
Paper minis have a lot of spaces on the bases, so they have room for the markers. The clip is another good idea.
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Post by Parduz on Oct 27, 2010 21:18:50 GMT -9
Sorry for the double post but.... .... guys, have i to do the backside for these? I was not planning to do that, 'cause they are not really miniatures but just markers, but i know you are somewhat maniac about backsides  |
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Post by MemeLordJerry on Oct 27, 2010 21:21:35 GMT -9
Love me some backside -- otherwise is so one-dimensional.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Oct 27, 2010 22:03:16 GMT -9
I assumed the front was the back so it didn't matter which way around you put them when using them |
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Post by Dominic on Oct 27, 2010 23:47:40 GMT -9
.... guys, have i to do the backside for these? I'd say no, like Rob said they aren't minis. They are meant to be easily recognizable markers, and seeing how there already are so many I think it would be best to have both sides look the same. If you do a backside, you might end up with some that are not as easily recognizable. Besides, you have to remember - Cabby is always watching you, yes, YOU . |
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Post by josedominguez on Oct 28, 2010 4:59:18 GMT -9
I agree... they are markers, should be just as recogniseable from both sides
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. I actually didn't think as a far as sunbeams, which would be obvious after looking at the cursed one. Maybe emphasize the sun mure, breaking through the cloud.
would do the trick if there was a point to it.
