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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 23:05:49 GMT -9
Pikemen - 30 Years' War #1PERMES Historical SeriesRPGnow link:www.rpgnow.com/product/113269/Pikemen---30-Years%27-War-%231This set contains:total 75 detailed historical figurines (10 original poses plus modifications) with various weapons and armour, clothes and accessories plus color versions including: - officers - drummers - standard bearers - fencers - optional accessories: banners, additional pikes for modders and some battlefield scenery. Ups! Almost forgot about... pikemen! Many figurines in various posing including standing / drill and of course fighting plus a lot of color versions as usual. All minis, parts, accessories and elements of scenery are 300dpi 30mm front and back full color artwork suitable both for RPG and wargaming. Enjoy! MesperIncoming 30 Years' War sets: - Musketeers - so you can assemble Spanish Tercios! - Cavalry (Reitars, Dragoons) - Artillery - both field and siege, with crew and train
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 6, 2013 3:34:11 GMT -9
Excellent set as usual. And as always five-star rating. but I vote for ( I hope for ) a second Pikemen's sets. As some previous Permes' moddign sets ( like pirates, fantasy hussars ... other aspects ... ) - longer pikes (Ok there are parts for the mods, but modding is not one of my best skills ... ;D ) - no feathers on helmets (or at least several figures without feathers) - spanish tercios' banners ( and/or its variants ) - Only a new original "lateral" figure. A pikeman with horizontal pike ( for pikemen against pikemen ) - If it is possible a mod-"lateral" figure with vertical pike ( they are there, but all the others pikemen have "lateral" figures, while this figure has a front image ) - more uniformed colors for all figs ( a set like pirates or red hussars )
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 6, 2013 10:10:08 GMT -9
Maybe this short movie/trailer can try to explain my confused words above. www.youtube.com/watch?v=23_dd4kf5poBattle of Rocroi ( A.D. 1643 ) Imho the decline of spanish tercios as a successful military formation ( after more than 150 years of battlefields' domination as military formation ).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 11:51:31 GMT -9
Rhannon - a lot of good points, thanks! Ad. pikemen posingI think I know what you are talking about regarding pikemen posing. Actually figurine with similar pose is among Sarisophoroi footmen in Alexander The Great Infantry set (with pike held parallel to the ground above shoulders), then I got some ideas and even unused sketches for another one pikeman pose (again pike horizontally but arms/hands lowered). So can't promise but maybe somewhere in the future I'll update this set? Ad. flagsYep - good idea. There is only one based on historical references right now (Swedish - with 3 golden crown - my bad actually as I forgot to remove this one and replace it with blank blue;). Anyway, as there is already some in-consequence I may add more additional banners based on historical references. =>>Question is WHICH ones - any suggestions or references? Actually these flags could be added later on as an update to the existing set. Ad. colorsThis will be done. Soon! I'm going to make at least 4 color variations for most of unique fighting figurines and all standing in front ones (vide set's first page). I'll color these with some not-basic colors - so rather claret/crimson (kinda burgundy wine?) than pure red, pale/washed violet except vivid blue, "bottle" green (not sure here, might be too dark though) and grayish in place of black (IMHO black would be much better looking, but with these black outlines it would need additional white lines - not only around figurine but also "internal" ones - which would be almost redrawing the 1/2 of each figurine). First color-test preview:Notice that hairs, beards and mustaches are different;) Some other small differences should be also more stressed - vide collars (or what's proper name for this thingy - bertha?) BTW: Please note that this is in fact ONE figurine but in many versions. But these aren't just mirrored or recolored versions of basic mini. Actually there are more changes for some other figurines - and in such a case I'm in trouble how this kind of modded figurines should be counted: as a *mods* or brand new figurines? Anyway - more 30 Years' War soldiers incoming so stay tuned!
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Post by emergencyoverride on Apr 6, 2013 14:10:00 GMT -9
Very nice! I really like the historical sets you've been making. Of course I like all of them, but you get the idea! ;D
Have you thought about Napoleonics? I'm really into that but there aren't any good paper figs for it. At least not of your caliber. The sets on wargames vault are mirrors and I 've been spoiled over the years here and dont do mirrors. Just a thought, but if not I totally understand. ;D
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 6, 2013 15:43:57 GMT -9
Rhannon - a lot of good points, thanks! My previous post is not a criticism. You know that I really like very much all your sets. Historical and fantasy ( and sci-fi in future ... ;D ) . Paper soldiers' sets and paper minis' sets. I believe that this is a very interesting topic, both from an historical point of view and how usefulness in game. And then a great topic for a forum. But I think there are some small differences. Paper soldiers to be treated as single figures (so it doesn't matter if they have a front or side view ). Ditto for paper minis as rpg figures ( they are characters or npc. But even in this case, the lateral or frontal visual of the figure doesn't create problems ) For the wargame (even skirmish wargames if there are military formations/groups/squads ..., large or small ) mix the two views can be a problem of vision and gaming. It would be very good thing imho. A pose with pike held parallel to the ground above shoulders and another with pike horizontally but arms / hands lowered. But more than just an update I would prefer a specific set (or more sets). These "swedish" pikemen, with very few changes represent perfectly spanish tercios' pikemen (also Austrian, but in the end, in this historical period, they are the same thing ). and also ECW soldiers Austrian pikemen and musketeers ( XVII sec. - By Zvezda ). Probably they are soldiers in the battle of Vienna ( 1683 ). Uniforms are already of the same color. Almost everyone has feathers on the helmet. the flag is the same, as of the House of Habsburg. Start to be more uniformity. Imperial Infantry ( by Revell ) Imperial Infantry ( by Warlord Games ) English ( ECW - 1642 - 1651 ) pikemen ( re-enactors ). There are very few differences between parliamentarians and royalists ( normally only the colors ). but already these units ( spanish, austrian, french, english, swedish ... ) tended to have a uniform color. Flags and colors ... tomorrow ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 20:15:41 GMT -9
Have you thought about Napoleonics? Yep! More - I've already did some Napoleonic figurines! The thing is that these are 60+mm classic Kartonowa Armia /Cardboard Army Paper Soldiers. Then I was focused mostly on Polish Napoleonic soldiers - uhlans and lancers, chevau-légers ( 1er régiment de chevau-légers lanciers polonais de la Garde impériale) and soldiers of Duché de Varsovie. You can get some idea here: www.kartonowefigurki.pl/sub-ka20.htmlYou can also download 2 FREE PDF with sample figurines from my website: www.kartonowefigurki.pl/sub-pobranie.htmlJust scroll page down and check out following files (to start downloading just click "Pobierz" /Download): - KAB-KA34 (mounted Prince Poniatowski) - KAB-KA20A (Polish u³an /uhlan sentinel) To be honest I got a lot of Napoleonic sketches and linearts ready, most of these are even colored. But this is very specific thread - as I've noticed that people interested in Napoleonic era likes questioning almost everything, starting from unit numbering and naming, subtle uniforms colours changes to weapons and equipment - while such things changed almost constantly and it was quit common that in one unit soldiers wore various uniforms and emblems and were carrying different weapons. So it was almost obligatory to add detailed description to each figurine stating that this particular figurine shows let's say Polish Napoleonic Old Guard lancer AFTER battle of Wagram etc... So the one must be indeed very cautious and precise when working on this subject! But then these figurines are just... small (talking about 28-32mm scale) paper minis, intended mostly for gaming and playing with fun in mind not as serious historical illustrations / references. Then there is another one issue - I've already started too much series / periods perhaps, so I'd like at least to complete some among most important sets (and belive or not I've revert to Sci-Fi thread - it's mine third attempt to this series by the way, hopefully this time I'll succeed;)) Last but not least Napoleonic era, as we all know, is a very, very HUGE thread. There are so many armies and specific units from all over the Europe. So once started this thread would probably dominate for over a year or two (I've counted that I'd need circa 20 full sets just to cover major / most known units - and this would be just beginning!) You might be wondering why I'm explaining all this perhaps even to detailed - well, it's because I'd like you (as well as other modelers/collectors/gamers who likes Permes figurines) to know that I really do appreciate that you like Permes sets and while I'm making minis mostly for fun then that I'm treating each request seriously - however sometimes some threads / series just have to wait. Anyway, to conclude with some optimism, even if I can't promise nothing right now - there is a chance for Napoleonic series in the future, albeit not very soon and if once started it will have to be extended in time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 20:56:10 GMT -9
My previous post is not a criticism. You know that I really like very much all your sets. I know and really appreciate (plus I'm not touchy one - so pardusing welcomed)! You pointed out some interesting and quality issues - that's exactly why I wrote "thanks!" And at least some among these are already addressed. Now, here is some preliminary pikeman figurine with different pike held. There are 2 versions on a preview - although I'd go rather for v.1 - with pike sloping slightly upwards). Unbelievable but this relatively easy one took me couple of hours (all versions with fronts and backs - but no colour)! It would be probably faster to draw from scratch than reworking. My bad - never mind. Several modifications are possible - with hat or helmet (BTW please notice new morion shape / version; there might be also cheek protection piece added). Then with pike and rapier, rapier and / or gun instead of pike. I was also considering plate armour (cuirass) but after watching submitted by you film I'd like go for some outworn leather doublet instead. And WITH feathers, more feathers, everywhere feathers!!! - as on your references (you've already admitted) there is a real plethora of various and colorful feathers! ;D OK - enough with jokes - any comments, suggestions or pardusing? None? Oh well, waiting then for promised colour and flag references... EDIT:Yep - I got one suggestion (for myself;) =>>>Long leather boots perhaps?...
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 6, 2013 22:40:54 GMT -9
My previous post is not a criticism. You know that I really like very much all your sets. I know and really appreciate (plus I'm not touchy one - so pardusing welcomed)! You pointed out some interesting and quality issues - that's exactly why I wrote "thanks!" And at least some among these are already addressed. Now, here is some preliminary pikeman figurine with different pike held. There are 2 versions on a preview - although I'd go rather for v.1 - with pike sloping slightly upwards). Unbelievable but this relatively easy one took me couple of hours (all versions with fronts and backs - but no colour)! It would be probably faster to draw from scratch than reworking. My bad - never mind. Several modifications are possible - with hat or helmet (BTW please notice new morion shape / version; there might be also cheek protection piece added). Then with pike and rapier, rapier and / or gun instead of pike. I was also considering plate armour (cuirass) but after watching submitted by you film I'd like go for some outworn leather doublet instead. And WITH feathers, more feathers, everywhere feathers!!! - as on your references (you've already admitted) there is a real plethora of various and colorful feathers! ;D OK - enough with jokes - any comments, suggestions or pardusing? None? Oh well, waiting then for promised colour and flag references... EDIT:Yep - I got one suggestion (for myself;) =>>>Long leather boots perhaps?...Hi friend, I like so much chat about seventeenth century armies ( In this century modern armies are born ). Thank you very much. I'm busy this morning (there is dad's Holy Mass, it is my mother-in-law's birthday .... ;D ), but this afternoon I point to flags references and colors. But I know almost all your available figures. Or rather, almost all of them, because probably I've lost some of them and don't know sketches that you might have. I prefer to discuss some details with you directly, because these figures that I would like to speak about were not all published yet. And these are your works. Is it possible? Briefly, the seventeenth century armies have only three specialties (infantry, cavalry, artillery). And variations of these (light cavalry, irregular infantry, mercenaries ... ) and you have so many figures that you can publish specific sets for many armies (imperial - spanish and austrian, english - parliamentarians and royalists, french, swedish and northern europeans - dutch .... ) with a base of generic figures (pikemen, musketeers ...) and different unique figures for each set. This historical period has many wargame rules, it is appreciated by gamers, it also has many metal and plastic miniatures but there is no paper minis set. But to explain what I think I need to go into details, even with your own design, of your work. So I prefer to do this part by e-mail. Ciao
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Post by emergencyoverride on Apr 7, 2013 2:37:45 GMT -9
Thanks for the reply Mesper! I completely understand, and good luck on the sci fi. Third times the charm! ;D
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Post by pblade on Apr 7, 2013 4:01:35 GMT -9
I love these figures, and the excellent reference shots in the thread. I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned, or requested Swiss troops. They are credited with creating the 100-man pike square, after all.
And I'd love to see your take on the Swiss Guard.
- Pb
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 7, 2013 6:58:37 GMT -9
I love these figures, and the excellent reference shots in the thread. I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned, or requested Swiss troops. They are credited with creating the 100-man pike square, after all. And I'd love to see your take on the Swiss Guard. - Pb Yes. Swiss pikemen were very good soldiers. there is a good page about Swiss soldiers on wiki ( in english ): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_mercenariesThey fought, and they won, many famous battle here in Italy But they reached the height of their fame as a military unit about 100 years before the seventeenth century. Very broadly I would say that the increase in firearms coincided with their military sunset ( then swiss units served again for nearly 300 years in other armies. But in limited formations' numbers. Also because their neutrality beginning in 1500, and it became absolute in 1800 ) But surely they were a core military formation in the wars of Renaissance and pre-Enlightenment Europe.
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 7, 2013 9:02:36 GMT -9
BannersEach Spanish tercios of the Imperial Army ( XVII century ) had its own flag (similar to each other) arising from the country of birth, by period ... So I think that the generic "Cross of Burgundy" ( in spanish "Cruz de Borgoña" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Burgundy - ) flag is fine ( in yellow, from tercios, and white ) Imperial austrians ( better "Holy Roman Empire" ) used similar flags ( I refer to the Thirty Years' War, the first major ruropean conflict of the seventeenth century - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War - ) but was also used the double-headed imperial eagle. Black in yellow field ( www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de_roman.html ). and a lot of mingling between these two types ( Saint Andrew cross and double-headed eagle ), with extra commanders' personal heraldry, cities and countries' coats of arms ... at that time Spanish called their royal house "The House of Austria" I think that these three flags are good for all the Imperials (Spanish, Austrians, Holy Roman Empire ... ) French. the easier flag ( imho ) is made by a white cross with four blue squares fields. Wuth a gold/yellow Lily of France in all fields. But even in this case there are many versions and variations. I can't find an image. ;D Sorry. Ops! it is. Battle of Rocroi ( again ) Battle of Rocroi - french pikemen advancing - from "Alatriste" movie For some wargaming Thirty Years War battle flags: www.battle-flag.com/ and flagsofwar.blogspot.it/... English civil war flag in the next post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 10:29:24 GMT -9
[quote author=rhannon board=permesreleases thread=4658 post=49185 time=1365320454[/quote] I prefer to discuss some details with you directly, because these figures that I would like to speak about were not all published yet. And these are your works. Is it possible? [/quote] Yes, of course! Ad. Battle flagsThanks - I'll use these references. Most probably I'll make 2 version of each flag - small banner and big one on mast, streaming on wind (as separate, grounded figurine perhaps?) - plus all as an option for moders.
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 7, 2013 10:39:49 GMT -9
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 1:26:20 GMT -9
OK, so here is standard bearer with battle flag with (simplified) Cross of Burgundy. Flag pole could be longer but I'm afraid that then pole part between helmet and flag might be too whippy plus whole figurine might lose stability... Other possible modifications: Morion could be replaced by hat. Right now he is wearing long leather coat - but various colours "cloth" possible as well. Flag shape is simplified on purpose, maybe it looks kinda unnatural but as it is would be much easier to add all these emblems, crosses, crests, eagles etc... And of course there should be some feathers. EDIT #2: Another one version, with hat, addedEDIT #2: There is still one silly mistake - who knows what / where? ;D
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Post by cowboyleland on Apr 8, 2013 3:47:41 GMT -9
I think the mistake is that his left thumb should be behind the pole he is holding, yes?
Could he hold the pole more in front of himself, just covering the ear but not the eye to make the cutting out easier and the flag pole stronger?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 16:50:48 GMT -9
I think the mistake is that his left thumb should be behind the pole he is holding, yes? Yep - that's right! I'm usually putting "movable" or "covering" elements on separate layers so it would be easier to mod and re-texture/recolor and then sometimes when forgotten such a funny things might happen... Could he hold the pole more in front of himself, just covering the ear but not the eye to make the cutting out easier and the flag pole stronger? Yes. But I think that after figurine rescaling and adding outline, black bordering will cover the gap between head/helmet and flag pole - so shifting the flag wouldn't be necessary. But that's a good point anyway - in case I'm wrong (with outline as "filling") I'll proceed as suggested - thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 13:53:56 GMT -9
Ad. Flags and different pike heldThere will be (most probably! more colour versions plus modifications (feathers, various helmets etc...) One more thing - let's suppose that I'll submit some FREE mini-set for CW forums members - if so, what kind of flag would you prefer: some specific (if so - which one plus any references perhaps?) or perhaps some "universal" -- kinda simply red or blue without any emblems on it -- so you can easily replace it or mod by adding needed/preferred emblem?
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Post by hackbarth on Apr 10, 2013 4:21:24 GMT -9
Universal, of course.
Modding is a great incentive.
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