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Post by pasiphilo on Apr 11, 2013 13:46:00 GMT -9
  I'm pleased to announce the release of my next set of pre-cut paper miniatures, the Redclan Orc Skirmishers - now available in black trim and white trim. Things may not be so calm at the borders of the Greenhold with these heavy weapon-wielding barbarians threatening war. Redclan Orc SkirmishersAll feedback is appreciated! (-: |
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Post by cowboyleland on Apr 12, 2013 4:57:36 GMT -9
Nicely unique (at least to me) take on the orcs. Somewhere between Mongols, First Nation, corrupted elves and original series Klingons and Romulans
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Post by dramascape on Apr 12, 2013 6:27:19 GMT -9
Looking good
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 12, 2013 6:40:14 GMT -9
Nicely unique (at least to me) take on the orcs. Somewhere between Mongols, First Nation, corrupted elves and original series Klingons and Romulans I completely agree with you, Cowboy. This is really an excellent set. Imho. With all the characteristics that you said. Finally, at least apparently, we have smart orcs.  And it's the end of orcs brutes destined to go the way of the bad guy in videogames. ;D PS: Pasiphilo, are Greenhold's mages and command pending? |
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Post by madarchitect on Apr 12, 2013 8:53:10 GMT -9
Amazing work Pasiphilo, they look really great. My first impression was that they resemble a bit HOM&M V tribes of the east orcs, or some leviathan/chronopia style orcs from older Adrian Smith's artworks. Maybe except the ears. I wouldn't call them skirmishers though. Heavy, armour bashing close combat weapons somehow contradicts the idea of skirmish warfare. For me at least. Finally, at least apparently, we have smart orcs. And it's the end of orcs brutes destined to go the way of the bad guy in videogames. It seems to be a trend from some time making orcs the good guys or at least "not so bad and not so stupid guys". Just to mention HOMMV, "Of Orcs and Men" Chronopia (RIP) or Rackham Confrontation (unfortunately also RIP) as a couple of examples. |
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 12, 2013 23:49:21 GMT -9
... I wouldn't call them skirmishers though. Heavy, armour bashing close combat weapons somehow contradicts the idea of skirmish warfare. For me at least. Historically and technically you're right. I agree. A skirmishers' line consists of light infantry in a scattered order ... But usually, in playing, skirmish wargame means an ultra tactical wargame scale ( usually minis are in 1:1 proportion ). So I perceive the small Pasiphilo's set ( five figures ) as a set for skirmish wargame. Skirmishers for fighting with relatively few miniatures Good examples. I have some doubt about the Bran-O-Kor orccs, but I don't really well know their setting and background story. I would add another example also. Stan Nicholls' Orcs. Two novels' trilogies about smart and "human" orcs. Ciao |
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Post by madarchitect on Apr 13, 2013 13:12:18 GMT -9
usually, in playing, skirmish wargame means an ultra tactical wargame scale ( usually minis are in 1:1 proportion ). So I perceive the small Pasiphilo's set ( five figures ) as a set for skirmish wargame. Skirmishers for fighting with relatively few miniatures Ciao Yeah I know the term. Never liked it. Skirmisher armed skirmishers on those skirmish level wargame tables are really a rare sight (Maybe with exception of long range snipers every now and then). ;D. And this proportion 1:1 with teen something minis of very mixed composition on each side? It is not a combat! It is a brawl of vagabond thugs. ;D Jokes and semantic details aside, I just found another cultural association. With their pelt skirts and fur gaiters (or whatever it is on their calfs) the look a bit like zulu warriors. It is amazing how strongly these orcs remind so many things and remain completely unique at the same time. |
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Post by pasiphilo on Apr 14, 2013 7:49:15 GMT -9
Thanks very much for the compliments, guys! Nicely unique (at least to me) take on the orcs. Somewhere between Mongols, First Nation, corrupted elves and original series Klingons and Romulans Finally, at least apparently, we have smart orcs. With their pelt skirts and fur gaiters (or whatever it is on their calfs) the look a bit like zulu warriors. It is amazing how strongly these orcs remind so many things and remain completely unique at the same time. Thanks so much for your feedback on this, guys. I was definitely aiming for a non-standard characterization of orcs that hinted at an intelligent but fearsome nomadic society rather than the mindless brutes normally appearing in fantasy fare. I imagined these people fighting more over scarcity of resources or in retaliation for threats to their own land, rather than simply because they're inexplicably "evil." So I'm really glad that's the impression they seem to be leaving you with. I wouldn't call them skirmishers though. Heavy, armour bashing close combat weapons somehow contradicts the idea of skirmish warfare. For me at least. That's certainly a fair point. I chose the term "skirmishers" because it makes me think of an irregular style of erratic combat that these sort of warriors would use vs. the more ordered rank-and-file combat that, say, the Greenhold Infantry would engage it, but I also wondered if "berserkers" would be more appropriate. What do you think would be a better label for barbaric heavy weapon-wielding warriors? PS: Pasiphilo, are Greenhold's mages and command pending? Yes indeed they are, Rhannon, and once I get the next set of orc out - ranged attackers - I will return to the Greenhold command set. I just like to switch things up so I don't get bored working on the same theme for too long. (-: Expect an orc command set at some point, too. (-: Thanks again, everyone, for your thoughtful feedback and discussion! I really do appreciate it! |
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Post by madarchitect on Apr 15, 2013 4:14:24 GMT -9
What do you think would be a better label for barbaric heavy weapon-wielding warriors? Well, that depends on your vision of orc society I guess. "Barbaric" societies without organized standing army usually called their warriors basing on social status (like anglosaxon thegn-huscarl), or personal qualities (like berserkir) rather than armament or tactics. Sometimes just a name of some tribe/people indicated their equipment and tactics. E.g. belearians were usually hired as slingers; cretans or nubians were usually archers, scythians/huns/avars - light to medium cavalry and so on. (It does not mean that cretans had no hoplites or huns no infantry but I hope you get the idea.) If for example Redclan warriors were to be renown among the clans for wielding heavy weapons the simple name "Redclan warriors" would be imho the best option, leaving "skirmishers" for some javelin/bow/sling armed orcs. If the weapon was a symbol of status in the tribe (e.g. young warriors that need to prove themselves, or some kind of warrior society like irish fianna, or hand picked king/chief/shaman retinue) the name should be based on that status. Just my thoughts... |
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