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Post by wyvern on Jun 4, 2013 4:03:38 GMT -9
OK, so the Forum has been upgraded. Immediate impressions: new-look style, not so easy to navigate, no messages warning line (or maybe that only activates now if you get a new PM?). Unconvinced this is an improvement yet, but I'll get used to it, I'm sure!
Maybe some notice this was about to occur might have been helpful before it happened (or did I just miss that? Maybe there wasn't any from ProBoards!). Result: minor panic when logging on, is this real, has it been hacked into, what am I signing up for now, why is it asking me all these questions again, etc., etc.
Breathe. Calm. Recover.
Vaguely starting to work out where I am and where everything is.
However, there seem to be some problems. Topics that have had new postings since I last logged in yesterday aren't flagged by red skulls anymore. Skimmed down the list, and a couple of older things were flagged that way, but most items with new posts weren't.
Went to check a couple of new posts and they seemed fine, but some older posts have had their images deleted. Hope that doesn't extend to those that had links to downloadable images stored on the "old" CWF, as that'll be a nightmare to repair, if it's even possible.
Anyone care to comment on this "officially", or have you all been caught on the hop by this too?!
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Post by glennwilliams on Jun 4, 2013 4:35:45 GMT -9
Ditto. I do agree some warning would have been nice, since I immediately suspect foul play when there's anything new (or maybe that's just my crotchety old age?).
I am getting red skulls. though--and they appear correct.
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Post by migibb on Jun 4, 2013 4:47:48 GMT -9
I am getting the red skulls - but what is missing is the 'new' button at the top of the screen which allowed me to see all the new messages without having to scour all the boards. I miss it - as I am terminally lazy!!!!! lol!
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Post by bravesirkevin on Jun 4, 2013 6:38:46 GMT -9
I am getting the red skulls - but what is missing is the 'new' button at the top of the screen which allowed me to see all the new messages without having to scour all the boards. I miss it - as I am terminally lazy!!!!! lol! The button still exists, but it's not a button anymore, and it's now right at the bottom in the statistics. Now labeled "recent threads". Still, it is a pain to scroll all the way down there past all the hundreds of lines. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 7:33:58 GMT -9
Ad. New Button I'm missing New button too!  The button still exists, but it's not a button anymore, and it's now right at the bottom in the statistics. Now labeled "recent threads". Still, it is a pain to scroll all the way down there past all the hundreds of lines.This! IMHO ProBoards should consider bringing back "New" button and rearrange main menu => "Home New Search ... Messages" (Help function could be moved somewhere down the menu line as after first or max few visits Help becomes far less used/needed function compared to New and Search) Another missing thing: Can't find (removed?) "Spell Check" - which was useful (for me at least;) |
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Post by oldschooldm on Jun 4, 2013 8:34:25 GMT -9
Two very bad things:
1. I get lots of "No Data Received" screens instead of pages.
2. My attachments uploaded here are no longer attached to their posts. This was a BAD migration and should be done again when the proboards importer works properly. Seriously - losing files?
Less bad:
3. The iphone proboards client is broken and doesn't work properly with this migration.
4. Though it looks like your posts are missing from your profile, again this just looks like a bad migration script - your posts are out there if you click on the link that searches for them
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So, how is this better then? It isn't faster, stable, nor does it preserve the data we worked so hard to contribute.
Just say'n.
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Post by Rhannon on Jun 4, 2013 10:47:10 GMT -9
Ok, I say some quick remarks. But these are just personal impressions, not absolute truths. They are not criticisms and they come from as I (but this applies to each of us) use the forum. So, first of all, I thank administrators and all the staff for their daily efforts and for this update.  I have to get familiar with two things. The lack of button/option "news", that identified all new posts.Ok there are the red skulls, but it is not the same thing as before. Now the main board is really too long imho (especially now when we must look for the red skulls, which identify the sub-boards ). I apologize to my old friends and all the friendly people who are also producers. This is not a criticism against them. But I think that two sub-boards for each commercial producer, are too many. In the end this is not a news site as TGN but it is primarily a forum, and must be easy, before anything else,as a forum for forum's users. These are nominal boards, attributed to a specific user/producer. Some are not used for a long time (years) directly by the interested, in other cases the only participation in the forum regarding the use of the sub board as a container for news on new products. I don't understand and I don't like this thing but it is a choice and a decision ( which I personally think it is too generous  , very too much ) of the board administrators. And so I respect this decision. Idem about "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. They are all good guys and great artists, but surely, after this time, they chose other interests that spend their skills ... One "old projects" board is enough imho. These things ( but they are only personal considerations ) might make the main board (in its vertical direction) more readable. And perhaps it would help some people to speak more about common hobby than on coming out products.  |
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 4, 2013 12:19:39 GMT -9
Probably the admins had no choice in this deal. When I was an admin for two gaming forums, Proboards 'upgraded' and we had no choice in the matter.
This certainly is different and not nearly as friendly as before.
Let's try this again, since last edit sent me to the 'Angry Bear' page ...
When you click on one of the non-showing images, it says that this forum has exceeded its attachment limit.
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Post by spaceranger42 on Jun 4, 2013 12:26:43 GMT -9
Looks like HTML tags in signatures are borked too.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 4, 2013 12:30:48 GMT -9
I thought I had mine fixed, but evidently not ...
Razzum Frazzum Riggem Biggem Rum Rip
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Post by Parduz on Jun 4, 2013 15:23:48 GMT -9
I am getting the red skulls - but what is missing is the 'new' button at the top of the screen which allowed me to see all the new messages without having to scour all the boards. I miss it - as I am terminally lazy!!!!! lol! The button still exists, but it's not a button anymore, and it's now right at the bottom in the statistics. Now labeled "recent threads". Still, it is a pain to scroll all the way down there past all the hundreds of lines. I miss that New button too. I did'nt go in the old "home" page from months. That NEW topics page was my "home". This is not a criticism against them. But I think that two sub-boards for each commercial producer, are too many. In the end this is not a news site as TGN but it is primarily a forum, and must be easy, before anything else,as a forum for forum's users. Ditto. These are nominal boards, attributed to a specific user/producer. Some are not used for a long time (years) directly by the interested, in other cases the only participation in the forum regarding the use of the sub board as a container for news on new products. I don't understand and I don't like this thing but it is a choice and a decision ( which I personally think it is too generous , very too much ) of the board administrators. And so I respect this decision. Ditto Idem about "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. They are all good guys and great artists, but surely, after this time, they chose other interests that spend their skills ... One "old projects" board is enough imho. Ditto Did i said that i'm lazy? Did I said that I want that NEW page back? Which worked like a charm with the "reload every" plugin for firefox? |
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Post by aaron on Jun 4, 2013 15:30:22 GMT -9
I have a board also with these guys and they tried to sink up our boards and make me the admin of both and it couldn't reconcile the fact that I have a board and am a member of another board ... then when I got it figured out over here I had to go through the same freak show over on my board!! ... deep breath! it's all good now though.
ok I did notice that a lot of boards are over their limit with images ... that's kind of sucky especially on this forum where everything is so archivable and should be preserved.
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Post by kiladecus on Jun 4, 2013 15:55:25 GMT -9
Uhhh... I just saw this. I am not sure what to think.  It seems a lot of the "charm" is gone. I am sure I will get used to it. I handle change SO well...  EDIT: I see that there is now a "Like" button. Dave Okum and I were discussing this a few days ago. That is cool, however, it appears that my images are gone now, and I can't seem to be able to post more. I guess I will have to revert to posting Facebook and RPGnow links when I have a new product release.  |
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Jun 4, 2013 18:04:11 GMT -9
Yes, just experienced this change too. Spent a few minutes roaming around. Kind of felt like a new house... everything is familiar, but the arrangement is different. I missed the "new" button immediately... trying this as an option. I bookmarked cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/threads/recent as my new Cardboard Warriors link... I think this may solve my issues... hope it helps you out too! Really dig the 'like' button! onemonkeybeau |
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Post by cowboyleland on Jun 4, 2013 18:28:28 GMT -9
Ick! this is cold. That is my first impression. I'm going on a search for that "recent" thing Sir Kev mentioned. Blech!
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Post by bravesirkevin on Jun 4, 2013 20:36:29 GMT -9
Interesting thing I've just spotted... At the top, to the right of the bread crumb trail is a button for "Participated". It keeps track of all the threads you've recently posted in and notifies you if there's something new in one of them. That's gonna come in handy! |
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Post by Rhannon on Jun 4, 2013 21:58:13 GMT -9
My second opinion ... then, because the "change" always worries ... I suppose there will be a third ... red skulls, "Partecipated", "Recent Threads" and "Recent Posts" ( plus "Last Updated" ), do their job. For now they don't have "news" immediacy but it's mostly a matter of new habits, imho. The main board remains too long, imho. |
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Post by wyvern on Jun 5, 2013 7:18:32 GMT -9
Hugely relieved to find it wasn't just me after all! Red skulls seem to be working fine today; maybe it was just a "welcoming" glitch... Forgot about the "New" button, so thanks for resolving that one folks! And yes, it is a nuisance to have it so well hidden now. When you click on one of the non-showing images, it says that this forum has exceeded its attachment limit. Yes, I found this too. It seems from other postings since the change that not everyone can post new images here anymore either. Now the main board is really too long imho (especially now when we must look for the red skulls, which identify the sub-boards ). I apologize to my old friends and all the friendly people who are also producers. This is not a criticism against them. But I think that two sub-boards for each commercial producer, are too many. In the end this is not a news site as TGN but it is primarily a forum, and must be easy, before anything else,as a forum for forum's users. Simplifying the structure of the board would seem sensible, but is it possible to amalgamate some of the various sub-boards per producer without a) too much difficulty, and b) losing any important topics? Or does it mean somebody has to sit there and move every posting "by hand" as it were? I've been obstructed by too many botched website changes over the years to think it'd mean anything but the latter, unfortunately. These are nominal boards, attributed to a specific user/producer. Some are not used for a long time (years) directly by the interested, in other cases the only participation in the forum regarding the use of the sub board as a container for news on new products. I don't understand and I don't like this thing but it is a choice and a decision ( which I personally think it is too generous , very too much ) of the board administrators. And so I respect this decision. Idem about "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. A year, two, three ... without any new topics or posts. They are all good guys and great artists, but surely, after this time, they chose other interests that spend their skills ... One "old projects" board is enough imho. I agree that some of the use of the Forum is less helpful than it might be. However, as regards the older material, having discovered the CWF only quite recently, I have to say I found some of the "outdated" boards that have had no recent postings very interesting, and a good number have (or had; I've not been back to check what may have survived the "loss of images" effect of this upgrade yet) some wonderful free downloads. It was a lot of effort to hunt through all these though, scattered over several days, and it might be worth thinking of an archiving mechanism for such items to preserve them, but in an easier-to-access format, as already exists for instance on the One Monk site to an extent, and more particularly the PaperMakeIt site. That would probably need a separate website, or someone to go through and reorganise the "old" postings one by one, however. While I don't have a huge amount of time free, if it might be practical to accomplish some kind of archival amalgamation like this, I'd be willing to go back through the old "Member's Project" postings again and flag-up those topics or even individual postings which might be especially worth preserving this way for those interested in accessing more free paper mini artwork. That would need coordinating with one of our admin boffins though! |
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Post by okumarts on Jun 5, 2013 7:56:13 GMT -9
I'm confused by the new format.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 5, 2013 9:49:22 GMT -9
That stupid drop-down list certainly does not help ...
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Post by Rhannon on Jun 5, 2013 10:37:11 GMT -9
wyvernHi, wyvern. I apologize, because my bad english often makes that I don't write understandable things. I am sorry about that.  I didn't ask, I don't hope for an amalgam. Or worse yet to delete anything. This is the forum's story. And it is full of important things. It has many excellent quality works. Many little enthusiasts' gems. But there was only one you should not remove it. I propose, without any obligation, only one board for each commercial producer, containing many sub-boards they prefer. My personal opinion about using these boards is matter for another topic. I just say that the a forum's life is participation and that a forum has costs. Idem "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. One board for "current projects" ( with many sub-boards inside ) and one for old projects. I didn't ask to amalgamate, delete anythings or for forum's pruning.
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Post by bravesirkevin on Jun 5, 2013 10:45:39 GMT -9
Idem "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. One board for "current projects" ( with many sub-boards inside ) and one for old projects. I didn't ask to amalgamate, delete anythings or for forum's pruning. I think his argument is more that having an "old" section would be the effective death of those threads since it'd be implied that that's the graveyard where outdated stuff goes to die. I think the main intention with the "member's projects" section was to highlight the amateurs who were interested in giving it a go by putting their boards on the front page and I think that was a great idea when it wasn't a massive mission to get to the buttons you actually needed to get to. Assuming that it's possible to control elements of the layout with some clever CSS editing (and that someone with admin priveleges on this forum is actually interested in putting in the effort) then it seems to me that the solution would just be to put the button everyone wants back at the top. |
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Post by uptrainfan89 on Jun 5, 2013 10:59:16 GMT -9
I can't say that I'm entirely fond of the new look, feel, and organization to the forum. It seems harder to find certain things now too. I also have noticed it just seems more bland on a mobile device too (it may just be me). It will take some getting used to for sure.
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Post by Rhannon on Jun 5, 2013 14:13:45 GMT -9
Idem "MEMBER PROJECTS" boards. One board for "current projects" ( with many sub-boards inside ) and one for old projects. I didn't ask to amalgamate, delete anythings or for forum's pruning. I think his argument is more that having an "old" section would be the effective death of those threads since it'd be implied that that's the graveyard where outdated stuff goes to die. I think the main intention with the "member's projects" section was to highlight the amateurs who were interested in giving it a go by putting their boards on the front page and I think that was a great idea when it wasn't a massive mission to get to the buttons you actually needed to get to. Assuming that it's possible to control elements of the layout with some clever CSS editing (and that someone with admin priveleges on this forum is actually interested in putting in the effort) then it seems to me that the solution would just be to put the button everyone wants back at the top. I understand, Kevin. You are right. I agree with you. Even if after 2/3 years they are really dead. it's okay just a main board as "MEMBER PROJECTS", with all members' boards inside. Imho. There are 101 links in the main board ( home page ). I have to turn 10 times the mouse wheel to get from top to bottom. As I said some of these sub-boards are not used for years. Others have had only one topic raised. Unanswered. Some are used only like a TGN new page. With no other participation. This is not a my opinion. It's here, and you can check out. But this is not the problem. And in fact there is no problem. After a day we can find new posts and new topics exactly as before. Imho it is simply a too long page as a forum's main board. Do you know so long pages? Ciao |
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Post by Reivaj on Jun 5, 2013 14:18:14 GMT -9
I second Cowboy: It´s COLD, i don´t like it. I miss the NEW button too . I don´t like changes. Where is the kobolds encounter banner at the top of the forum?? , I want i old forum back |
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Post by old squirmydad on Jun 5, 2013 15:48:55 GMT -9
Hi gang, I just popped in and thought I was at the wrong house....Proboards had a notice for all to see at the top of the Boards that things were changing. I had no idea how much it was going to change. I read through this thread and opened my Admin panel, I have more powers that are easier to use in this version of the Board, and tweaked a few things so there should be less clutter on the front page.
I checked on the Attachments problem; it seems that under the new version we only have the Copper (free) package which only allows 200MB of attachments, currently the Forum has 447MB of attachments. The next step up costs $36/year but only allows 500MB of attachments. I'm thinking of going through and editing the size of some of the pics that are attached to the forum and see if that helps at all. And/or create a public dropbox site as a gallery that people can dump photos into and then link back here...or something.
However, although I am an Admin, I'm not the owner. More of an occasional housekeeper with privileges. I'll see what I can do though.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 5, 2013 17:00:11 GMT -9
Bless you, sir. Anything will be an improvement
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Post by migibb on Jun 6, 2013 2:28:04 GMT -9
Cheers Squirmy!! Most of our complaints are the equivalent of "I don't like the wallpaper in the new house", but the disappearing attachments is more of a problem. Hate to see all these wonderful things created by the community disappear for ever - especially as I haven;t got round to downloading them all yet!!! So your sterling work is appreciated! Just so you know!!! |
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Post by old squirmydad on Jun 6, 2013 7:03:56 GMT -9
All of the attachments are still here, they're just disconnected due to there being too many of them.
The header pic with the kobold encounter is still here, it just won't let me connect it for some reason. I need to read through the themes section.
So far nothing lost, just shoved in a drawer out of sight.
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Post by aaron on Jun 6, 2013 7:58:33 GMT -9
I had to do the same stuff to my form when it was converted so if you need help editing photos or what have you let me know I'm pretty good at it now LOL
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, very too much ) of the board administrators. And so I respect this decision.
