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Post by squirmydad on Jun 5, 2014 7:24:54 GMT -9
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Post by wyvern on Jun 6, 2014 1:32:25 GMT -9
Isn't $3.95 for five minis a little over-priced? I'm comparing with the other Mayhem in Paper sets here, plus I realise there may be good reasons for the higher price here which wouldn't be obvious to a casual DTRPG visitor/potential purchaser.
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Post by wildagreenbough on Jun 6, 2014 3:20:06 GMT -9
Isn't $3.95 for five minis a little over-priced? I'm comparing with the other Mayhem in Paper sets here, plus I realise there may be good reasons for the higher price here which wouldn't be obvious to a casual DTRPG visitor/potential purchaser. I don't know about that. Five good quality mounted figures in hi-res colour for $3.95 seems a good deal to me. That's less than a dollar each, - what else can you buy that's any good that costs a dollar?
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Post by migibb on Jun 6, 2014 4:28:28 GMT -9
I'm torn here: On one hand, I can see wildagreenbough's point here about quality to price, and I do want to support aaron and squirmydad in their joint venture. And I'm sure I will buy a copy when I have the spare readies.... But compared to other makers of paper minis it does seem a high price, and wyvern is right to raise the subject. What are other people's thoughts? Should possibly his first release have been a freebie - like One Monk's samplers? After all he was originally giving them away free on here......
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Post by aaron on Jun 6, 2014 5:59:37 GMT -9
well there is defiantly the idea of quality verse affordability. I would say that they are middle of the road. if you look at other minis that are not as high quality (I say that tongue and cheek ) they are less money but their are other minis like Pasiphilo's lizard men (which are fantastic btw)that you get five for $9.00 so I would say that the Kl'Kari are appropriately priced in the middle of the road. any one else?
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Post by dungeonmistress on Jun 6, 2014 7:51:22 GMT -9
He was giving them away free here because he has a big generous heart, and until we beat it into his thick skull that his work was worth more and he should do something about it, he didn't know any better. aaron is right, the price he set is not too high or too low when you compare it to others out there. It is a delicate balance you have to strike when you are a new artist on the scene. If you price your work too low, people will assume that it isn't worth anything and won't buy it, conversely, if priced too high, people will think you are arrogant and won't buy. Once he is established and has a reputation for quality, then he will have more flexibility in pricing. Besides, his work is very unique and once people realize that, he will garner quite a following. And we can help him there by leaving positive reviews about his stuff on DriveThruRPG.
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Post by wyvern on Jun 7, 2014 5:11:06 GMT -9
Five good quality mounted figures in hi-res colour for $3.95 seems a good deal to me. That's less than a dollar each, - what else can you buy that's any good that costs a dollar? ...if you look at other minis that are not as high quality (I say that tongue and cheek ) they are less money but their are other minis like Pasiphilo's lizard men (which are fantastic btw)that you get five for $9.00 so I would say that the Kl'Kari are appropriately priced in the middle of the road. I thought Aaron's/Pigmi Games' were downloadable minis you had to print yourself, whereas Pasiphilo's are pro-printed minis that come as kits, ready to stick together, base up and use - all items provided to do so - through the ordinary mail (so there are also mailing costs involved, making a direct comparison more difficult). My comparison was with the other downloadable Mayhem In Paper sets, which are mostly $2.95 for 8 to 10 minis (there is a degree of variability, depending on how many minis can be fitted to a page). However, taking a high-res, high-quality artwork cavalry pack as comparison from elsewhere, say the PERMES Elven Cavalry set, in that you get 24 30mm-scale minis, plus a page of extra shields and banners - though not bases - and that's currently $2.99 on OBS (full list price is $4.50). I guess my concern is less with the cost per mini, than if the price is too high and people don't buy (remember, not every OBS purchaser is also a CWF member/visitor who will have seen all Aaron's work here first!), could that be a demotivator for a new manufacturer (sorry; talking about you like you're not in the room, Aaron...)? The info on the OBS site for the Splinterwood Cavalry isn't all that helpful either for a new product. There's no preview, nothing to say if the minis are double-sided, and sorry, but that one oblique angle photo of the set really doesn't really do the minis justice (plus it also shows foamboard bases, and I'm guessing as a download, those are NOT available in the pack, contra the "bases are included" note). Realistically, if I was a purchaser coming to that page knowing nothing about Pigmi Games, these are all factors that would get me to quickly walk on by, cash intact. And that's not what most folks here would want to happen, I imagine (I wouldn't have raised the point otherwise).
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Post by aaron on Jun 7, 2014 6:45:33 GMT -9
Those are all good points Wyvern. especially about the bases. I did make bases for them but they are not foamboard. in fact my minis aren't in foambaord that's just Squirmydad's as far as I know? maybe that should be made clear. well first it's new. new games from video game manufactures for example start off at a ridiculously high price, which some people pay just because they like to say they got it first. then over time as the market is saturated they eventually lower the price to hit all sub markets in their target market. if you look at PERMES Elven Cavalry set they started much higher than they are now. just a thought. Also there is brand pricing. I don't want to say that Pigmi Games is going to be the BMW of minis (I don't feel that way anyway)but maybe squirmydad feels that we have that kind of potential. and by making us an elite product (ya, I know it sound stupid to me to)the prices would be set accordingly. though I don't think so. what are your thoughts Squirmydad? (I don't know how to tag people? )
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Post by dungeonmistress on Jun 7, 2014 6:55:31 GMT -9
aaron, you put the '@' symbol in from of their name. For Squirmydad, though; you put the @ in front of admin and that equals Squirmydad. No spaces between the @ and the name.
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Post by squirmydad on Jun 7, 2014 7:13:47 GMT -9
wyvern - You're right; can't compare pre-printed and cut with downloads. Bases were my bad, I need to redo the photo with their proper bases. While I'm at it I can stage the shot so that both sides of the minis can be seen and presented. Prices...hmm, $2.95 struck me as too low. $3.50 is, according to OBS research, a weak price. $3.95 seemed a tick high, but Pigmi Games can always have sales and special deals. I didn't think it wise to open with a sale on the first figure set though, sometime later I'm sure. The Elven Hero Mounted on Battle Yak will be a free download at OBS later after more products are up in the store. I also didn't want to lead with a freebie as one of the purposes of a freebie is to call attention to the rest of your line. These are some of our experimental strategies and it's still early in the game, we're waiting a bit to see how these play out.
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Post by dungeonmistress on Jun 7, 2014 11:49:21 GMT -9
I shared the link for the Kl'cari on the DM's Craft and it's getting a lot of interest!
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Post by mesper on Jun 7, 2014 17:18:40 GMT -9
if you look at PERMES Elven Cavalry set they started much higher than they are now. just a thought. Not true, I'm afraid... Official "4.50" price is just sort of "marketing" trick/dodge There was never ever this price - instead this set was often listed for (much) lower price (not even mentioning bundle;))) --- Also there is brand pricing. I don't want to say that Pigmi Games is going to be the BMW of minis (I don't feel that way anyway)but maybe squirmydad feels that we have that kind of potential. and by making us an elite product (ya, I know it sound stupid to me to)the prices would be set accordingly. BMW class... Well it's just a premium brand Not called directly but still feeling named as kinda "B-BRAND or even worse "<BMW" I'd Like to APOLOGISE... and I'd like to OFFER to ALL CWF users some special AFFORDABLE B-BRAND BONUS! =>>>PERMES CORE ELVEN SILLY-CHEAP SETS FOR ONLY 1.49$MORE INFO AND LINKS HERE:PERMES ELVES FOR 1.49$ !!!GRAB THESE "B-BRAND" SETS WHILE AFFORDABLE;)
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Post by aaron on Jun 7, 2014 17:41:29 GMT -9
LOL your my Hero mesper!! I love the PERMES ELVES!! and I would have bought them for $5.00 especially if I had the bragging rights to say that I got them first ! I had a BMW once, it was a rusty old beater but I loved it! It handled like a dream. I had to leave it behind when I moved from California *sigh* I miss that car. mostly because it was paid for. Ya I don't think my stuff is superior to anyone, in fact I'm constantly learning from you guys... like I said the whole thing sounded stupid to me to !
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Post by squirmydad on Jun 11, 2014 23:46:43 GMT -9
Special announcement; price reduced on the Kl'cari cavalry to only $2.95!
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Post by wildagreenbough on Jun 12, 2014 0:16:12 GMT -9
Special announcement; price reduced on the Kl'cari cavalry to only $2.95! Ooooooooooooooooooooo And since my new printer is all setup and working properly I can go mad, - ha hah ha, mad I tell you............
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Post by aaron on Jun 12, 2014 10:19:05 GMT -9
SWEET!! NoW I can afford a set! i'm so excited !!
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Post by squirmydad on Jun 12, 2014 16:50:47 GMT -9
Updated the first pic with better bases (the ones that are included) and made one more;
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Post by wildagreenbough on Jun 12, 2014 22:35:02 GMT -9
Yay! - just purchased the Splinterwood Kl'cari set which will no doubt feature in my KoW Forces of Nature army as allies from time to time. Printed out on my Photosmart 7660 on good quality cardstock the Kl'cari look truly awesome
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Post by wyvern on Jun 13, 2014 7:43:39 GMT -9
Haven't been ignoring this; just not been online much of the week due to other things. The Cavalry set page on OBS is indeed much improved now. Maybe the photos could use a little tweaking still - not sure about the out-of-focus minis towards the lower left corner of the larger shot (as shown above; Squirmy's posting earlier today, June 13), but the descriptive text about the physical make-up of the set is much better. Could probably lose the "foam-core not required for assembly" note in the line below the images, as that's now a little confusing. The reduced price element is a useful marketing tool, and PERMES isn't the only other manufacturer (by a long way!) to have used it. Reducing the price for a while in sales is fine too, also adding bundles, but that full list price for the Splinterwood set still looks anomalous compared with many other Mayhem In Paper sets, and maybe needs a more fundamental re-think. $2.95 seems closer to "right" to me than a dollar more. If the set had been larger, or included things like layered options, $3.95 might have seemed less of a deterrent. PERMES Elves bundle; yep, been there, done that! One of my very first OBS purchases back in the mists of time. Printed out on my Photosmart 7660 on good quality cardstock the Kl'cari look truly awesome I've recently switched to only using photo-quality card for inkjet printing paper minis, and it's really made a big difference to the finished product's quality. Sadly, all those I made up previously now look a little dowdy by comparison...
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Post by wildagreenbough on Jun 13, 2014 15:39:35 GMT -9
Printed out on my Photosmart 7660 on good quality cardstock the Kl'cari look truly awesome I've recently switched to only using photo-quality card for inkjet printing paper minis, and it's really made a big difference to the finished product's quality. Sadly, all those I made up previously now look a little dowdy by comparison... I'm seriously thinking of changing back to photo quality card as well now that I've finally got a decent printer.
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Post by WackyAnne on Jun 13, 2014 16:42:35 GMT -9
What I was doing for a while when my laser printer was down, I'd laminate the inkjetted cardstock with contact paper (even the dollar store cheap stuff worked well). I really liked the results - they probably look almost as good as photo paper, are protected from dirt and water, and are sturdier. Sturdy* enough, in fact, that I was able to take them along on picnics to do the fine cutting-out. I didn't find them tougher to cut out, either. All my cutting will be by hand for the foreseeable future... Oh, and that's how I did all my Halloween minis, including aaron's pumpkinmancers, and mesper's pumpkin monsters. Got to get those pics posted next week... * Sturdy meaning that the bending back and forth that can happen with even the sharpest scissor-cutting didn't cause any damage to the mini itself. Unlike scissor cutting unprotected minis -- especially laser-printed ones-- which end up with wear and tear on the fine points, and toner flaking on the laser-prints.
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Post by mesper on Jun 15, 2014 16:34:42 GMT -9
<...> Oh, and that's how I did all my Halloween minis, including aaron's pumpkinmancers, and mesper's pumpkin monsters. Got to get those pics posted next week... Yes, please!
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