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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 1, 2014 17:53:57 GMT -9
Hi folks - I'm wondering if there are any folks out there who might have time over the next couple days to try out a new roofing system I'm trying to develop to improve on what is currently done in the TLX system. I've tried a couple iterations, and have two designs that I think have some merit. They're feel like they share a little bit with both TLX and FDG roof systems, though I think this is simpler, faster, and more reusable. What I'm looking to do is create a PDF with the two competing styles that I'm considering, and see if folks can try cutting them out and assembling them, then give me some feedback (good or bad).
I guess the two biggest requirements I have are (1) try to get me feedback as soon as possible, and (2) don't take it personally if I don't adopt all of the suggestions you may have. My primary goal is to replace the TLX roofing system, but if I can come up with a mechanism that would work effectively for other people, it would make it easier for me to try to share my work.
Thanks for your consideration!
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Post by Parduz on Aug 1, 2014 23:24:47 GMT -9
Not in the next days. I'll be on vacation in august from 11 to 31, so i could test it in that days, but if you're in a hurry then i'm out.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 2, 2014 15:42:05 GMT -9
I very much appreciate the offer. I'll put together some PDF files with a couple different roof/truss pieces (untextured, to save ink) and drop you a PM with a link to them. It's not that I'm in a terrible hurry - it's just that the sooner I can get feedback, the sooner I can get the full set of templates completed. Thanks again!
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Post by eran on Aug 6, 2014 10:27:30 GMT -9
I'm willing to give it a go, if you like.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 6, 2014 12:25:50 GMT -9
My question is 'how big a roof section are we talking about?'
If it isn't too involved, I should be able to look at it by the weekend
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 6, 2014 12:47:19 GMT -9
Right now, I've got a template I can make available for a 6" roof and truss (if you're familiar with TLX at all, it's specifically a replacement for a 6" '1-way truss' and 'high big' roofs. I'm hoping tonight to be able to share a 3" 1-way truss and a 'high small' roof to go with it. For those not familiar with TLX, the "truss" is the wall piece that the roof plugs into. The term "high" on a roof apparently means "it will hang over the walls on the floor below" and "big" means "it goes with a truss that spans a 6 inch wall". "small" means "it goes with a truss that spans a 3 inch wall". I didn't invent the terms... :-P By hand (though I use spray glue...) it takes me only a couple minutes to build two roof pieces and two trusses - enough to put together to cover up a small building and make me feel like I've actually done something. Of course, I'm not bothering to edge these things, so that saves a lot of time! I'll drop you guys a PM later tonight with some links. Thanks for the offer to help!
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Post by eran on Aug 6, 2014 14:39:09 GMT -9
No worries, glad to help
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 6, 2014 16:17:39 GMT -9
OK. This will be easier than trying to PM different folks... If you're interested in trying these out, here are the latest sample templates: www.dropbox.com/s/whmlxfodmetgzgj/NewRoofSystem_try4.pdfwww.dropbox.com/s/oy5hlviacsfg2pg/NewRoofSystem_try4b.pdfThat'll get you a "high big roof" and a "low big roof" (in TLX parlance) and trusses to go with them. Instructions are close to non-existent, but hopefully you'll figure it out. Please drop me a note if you do try them out and tell me what you think! P.S. This is cross-posted on the WWG forums, since that's kind of the origin of this project - making something compatible with all my TLX stuff, but that solves my major gripes about TLX roofing.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 8, 2014 8:25:18 GMT -9
Ouch. Missed this. Will look at them after work today
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 8, 2014 8:30:48 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 9, 2014 18:21:05 GMT -9
After finishing Aaron's buggi, I got these printed out tonight (late). I'll score them tonight, but not build until tomorrow.
Thank you for the blog reference, because I was getting ready to build them incorrectly.
I said it was late...
EDIT: On the second one, I thought I could copy the trusses from page two and paste into page one. I do stuff like that often enough, but it didn't work on this one. Not sure why.
I said it was late ...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 10, 2014 11:53:32 GMT -9
I'd say the concept works well. The pieces form a pretty solid build, yet come apart with relative ease. I think the slots in the outer layer need to be just a hair wider to avoid having to slide things around as much before the glue sets. I got the holes lined up on one side, and it would be just off on the other. Not much wider, just a couple pixels probably. I'd consider this a success to the point that I don't think the second one needs to be tested.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 10, 2014 15:53:10 GMT -9
I'm glad to hear you are happy with the outcome. Regarding the the outer slots needing to be a hair wider... I score the truss in half, cut around the outer edge, then glue together. Once set, I score the side flaps on the outer face only, and then cut out the slots from the outer face side. Were you cutting the holes out first and trying to line them up?
Did you find the build time to be acceptable?
Hopefully a couple other folks will give it a go, especially after seeing someone other than myself having success with it.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 10, 2014 17:29:45 GMT -9
Yes, I did the slot cut-out first. Build time was next to nothing. Very fast.
Put together, it is very solid. And still comes apart well.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 11, 2014 10:01:27 GMT -9
I don't want to complicate the build any more than necessary, but I'm wondering if, rather than a flap at the top, I had a tab and a slot. This would allow the pieces to plug together, holding them in place. Here's why - the 'angled' roof pieces that allow having a roof run up against the slope of another roof - I imagine they'd be a little floppy. If they connected along the top edge, then they'd probably hold together a lot better.
Having slots and tabs slows down the build, so I'll have to see if it's worth it. Maybe it's only worth it for the angled pieces, and I can leave the full roofs alone.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 11, 2014 13:53:10 GMT -9
I wouldn't even do tab and slot. Do interlocking tabs. Well, no, that would make it difficult to position the roof tabs in the truss slots. Nevermind. I like the strengthened upper edge as it is. You could have an optional two-piece tab-for-one-side-and-slot-for-the-other that could be glued on each roof piece, if the builder opts to do so. Maybe
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 11, 2014 13:54:48 GMT -9
Maybe I'll only do it for the angled roofs - I just know they're gonna need some extra help staying put. I'll try to work on that tonight.
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