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Post by jeffgeorge on Aug 14, 2017 9:59:38 GMT -9
The absolutely ONLY reason I'm posting back to this thread is that I love David's minis, and I think Mindflayers are cool enemies, and I'd love to have some okumarts mindflayers in my collection. I just checked the DMSGuild website, and as I was pretty sure I remembered, Marshall/ printableheroes has a mindflayer-and-thrall mini set available there. Here's a screenshot of the offering:  Apparently, it's ok to publish content that includes WotC product identity through the DMSGuild website. In fact, I think that's a pretty big part of why that site even exists. I notice that Marshall also has a Beholder mini available on the DMSGuild--you can see it in the "also purchased" listing in the bottom of the screenshot. The Beholder, of course, is another of WotC's named product-identity monsters. (I also remember Marshall posting that WotC vetoed his beautiful Lady of Pain mini because they don't want any new Planescape material being released at all, even through DMSGuild, so they are paying attention, and thus we can safely infer that they are OK with his mindflayer and beholder.) The only thing wrong with Marshall's mindflayer, btw, is the fact that its one of his early minis that don't have back art. But since I think mindflayers are really cool, I want him to put a back on that one, AND for David to do his own mindflayer. Because I want everything, and I want it now. (Where's my pony?) In fairness, I understand that the creator's royalty on DMSGuild releases is lower than it is for DriveThru/RPGNow, because WotC takes a bite out too, and it may even be that WotC's deal with OBS gives WotC some level of rights or ownership to material released there. So there may be good reasons not to publish anything there that you actually expect to make money on. But now that DMSGuild exists, it is at least possible to create products that include product-identity monsters without having to negotiate a licensing deal with WotC. |
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Post by printableheroes on Aug 14, 2017 11:05:03 GMT -9
Absolutely! DMsGuild is designed for us to finally get to play with their IPs - the only big limitation (as I ran into with the Planescape's Lady of Pain) is that they're currently only allowing generic IPs (not belonging to any specific setting, mindflayers, beholders fall under this camp) or that belong to the Forgotten Realms setting (Drizzt Do'Urden would fall under this camp, while Lady of Pain would not).
I was initially turned off by the DMsGuild 50% cut, but as I've been approached for more collaborative projects I've come to appreciate that in most cases you're not going to get better then 50% for any collaboration and with the amount of material WotC is allowing you to leverage it's much more reasonable then at first blush. That said, I don't feel I've really taken advantage of what is possible with the DMsGuild and I'm hoping to get more involved with content for officially released adventures in the future.
Oh, also, in regards to WotC gaining ownership. In their legal documentation WotC made it clear they will never take ownership of artwork (only text) so for those of us creating minis, maps, paper craft etc we're in the clear.
Exciting times.
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Post by printableheroes on Aug 14, 2017 11:09:25 GMT -9
Oh, also, in regards to WotC gaining ownership. In their legal documentation WotC made it clear they will never take ownership of artwork (only text) so for those of us creating minis, maps, paper craft etc we're in the clear. A bit more info for this, "The artwork (such as illustrations or maps) that you include in your title does not become part of the DMs Guild content that other DMs Guild contributors can then use."and "Usage of art that you commission from an artist depends upon your terms with the artist. You must have the rights or license to use the art in your title. The artwork does not become owned by OneBookShelf or by Wizards; you simply must have rights to use it in your commercial work."support.dmsguild.com/hc/en-us/articles/217029188-Logo-and-Artwork-Questions |
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Post by jeffgeorge on Aug 14, 2017 16:49:18 GMT -9
Thanks so much for the inside information, printableheroes. It actually makes sense that the creator cut on a DMSGuild product would be lower than a regular OBS release, seeing that there's another party needing to be cut in. I have to wonder whether, for certain products at least, you might make more money getting 50% from a DMSGuild release than 70% from a DriveThruRPG release, based on the power of the D&D license and built-in market. If you were doing a package of WotC product identity monsters--like full set of mindflayers, intellect devourers and thralls, for example--that might sell enough more units through DMSGuild than a similar generic monster pack on DriveThruRPG that you make more money in total at 50% on the DMSGuild package than you would have at 70% on the generic package. You could probably even get away with charging 25-50% more for the package on DMSGuild (say, $3.99 instead of $2.99), which would pass the extra expense of the WotC license directly to the customer. That's not an experiment I could carry out myself, considering we've already established that it takes me 6 months to finish a single character mini. That works out to 3-5 years to finish a full set, if you care to do the math. Maybe one of you guys who works faster could try it out, and let us know how it goes... |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 14, 2017 19:37:19 GMT -9
I think I may have figured out how to do this. I'll update soon.
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Post by okumarts on Aug 16, 2017 3:47:06 GMT -9
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Post by migibb on Aug 16, 2017 4:37:27 GMT -9
They and their underground minions are fantastic David!!! I think I shall wait until I have colour toner in my printer that I can trust and some more photo paper before I print them off though. Want to see these in all their technicolor illithid glory!!!!  |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 16, 2017 4:39:11 GMT -9
Thanks so much! Any more D&D-centric requests?
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 16, 2017 5:36:26 GMT -9
Got me some mind flayers, and remembered to review them! I'll get back into making cutfiles for sets soon.
D&D-centric requests? Really, David? You're gonna get yourself swamped! :-P Have you considered putting together "packs" that correspond to the monsters in the currently released sets? Like, monsters and npcs from Storm Kings Thunder, or the Starter Box? I'd love something like that, because it'd make it easy for me to pop em in a tuck box and have them ready.
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Post by nolabert on Aug 16, 2017 17:48:57 GMT -9
Great set! I think a second set with cranium rats, mindwitness, and a neothelid would be awesome. Add Illithid tadpoles as a bonus! (see Volo's Guide)
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Post by nolabert on Aug 16, 2017 17:53:04 GMT -9
Meant to include Elder Brain and Swarm of Cranium Rats too. You're giant rats could be easily modified?
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Post by okumarts on Aug 17, 2017 0:10:31 GMT -9
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Post by shep on Aug 17, 2017 1:15:02 GMT -9
I'm afraid, you've opened Pandora's box, dabbling in the D&D...  |
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Post by jeffgeorge on Aug 17, 2017 7:25:06 GMT -9
Thanks so much! Any more D&D-centric requests? Well, Dave, if you really want to go down the WotC-IP road, I'd strongly suggest a githyanki-vs-githzerai set, some slaad, and intellect devourers and whatever other Underdark mobs are usually associated with Mind Flayers (derro and/or duergar, and maybe deep gnomes, for example?). If you're going to get serious about this, though, you should definitely hold them till you have full sets, and put a real price on them. When you offer pro-quality D&D-IP products through dmsguild, you're really benefitting WotC. You should be entitled to your cut, and not do them unless it's comparably profitable for you to your Darkfast minis and other sets. |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 17, 2017 7:30:17 GMT -9
Thanks so much! Any more D&D-centric requests? Well, Dave, if you really want to go down the WotC-IP road, I'd strongly suggest a githyanki-vs-githzerai set, some slaad, and intellect devourers and whatever other Underdark mobs are usually associated with Mind Flayers (derro and/or duergar, and maybe deep gnomes, for example?). If you're going to get serious about this, though, you should definitely hold them till you have full sets, and put a real price on them. When you offer pro-quality D&D-IP products through dmsguild, you're really benefitting WotC. You should be entitled to your cut, and not do them unless it's comparably profitable for you to your Darkfast minis and other sets. Oh.. I like the Githyanki/Githzeral set idea! Right now I was just trying to get my feet wet and see how this darn thing even works. I agree that a full set is the next step. It is odd drawing other people's characters though. |
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Post by jeffgeorge on Aug 17, 2017 10:35:43 GMT -9
It is odd drawing other people's characters though. A gith is only someone else's character if you think about it generically. If you give your giths names (in your own mind, at least), they become your characters who are members of WotC's races. How different is that than drawing an elf, dwarf or halfling? In those cases, you're drawing your character, who's a member of Tolkein's race (or Gygax's, or Terry Brooks's, or whatever...). However you choose to look at it, I'm looking forward to seeing your interpretations of those classic races, and I'm glad that WotC came up with a way to let creators play in their otherwise private back yard. |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 17, 2017 11:17:10 GMT -9
In my original AD&D campaign there was a barbarian who managed to get ahold of a Gith Sword and that led to a series of encounters as they tried to get the sword back. Just one attack after another at the WORST possible times too.
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Post by jeffgeorge on Aug 17, 2017 14:00:58 GMT -9
In my original AD&D campaign there was a barbarian who managed to get ahold of a Gith Sword and that led to a series of encounters as they tried to get the sword back. Just one attack after another at the WORST possible times too. That must have been great. I reeeeallly want to play in (or run) an old school campaign these days...got to find a face-to-face group. |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 25, 2017 4:32:46 GMT -9
I've got some more seriously old school monsters coming to my Patreon soon!  |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 25, 2017 4:53:13 GMT -9
Lizardmen make an appearance!  |
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Aug 25, 2017 8:51:30 GMT -9
Crap. I'm gonna have to find a way to become a subscriber, if I'm missing out on Okumartsy goodness.
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Post by kgstanley81 on Aug 25, 2017 10:11:17 GMT -9
Yes you are, and once the wife is working I might have to up my pledge
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Post by okumarts on Aug 25, 2017 10:12:14 GMT -9
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Post by okumarts on Aug 25, 2017 18:29:25 GMT -9
My fingers are tired from cutting out all the Dark Depths stuff and then all of this today! Whew...  |
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 25, 2017 19:46:16 GMT -9
Very nice. Are those MadunTwoSwords trees?
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Post by okumarts on Aug 26, 2017 4:17:39 GMT -9
Very nice. Are those MadunTwoSwords trees? Nope, they are ones I made from my cottage. I also made some birch trees. Edit: I just took a look at some of his stuff! Wow! How did I miss this guy? I like his Star Trek stuff. |
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Post by shep on Aug 26, 2017 7:00:28 GMT -9
Edit: I just took a look at some of his stuff! Wow! How did I miss this guy? I like his Star Trek stuff. You mean his TOS bridge? Yeah, that's awesome, but when you print it 100%, it's too big for our 30mm minis. The scale does not match. I learned that the hard way, when I built it for my Star Terk Adventures weekend back in April without testing it with minis. My group, knowing me as a perfectionist in such matters, was quite amused that the chairs and helm console were as big, if not larger, than the minis... Should I guess, I'd say that about 75% the original size should be a match. |
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Post by okumarts on Aug 26, 2017 7:01:47 GMT -9
Edit: I just took a look at some of his stuff! Wow! How did I miss this guy? I like his Star Trek stuff. You mean his TOS bridge? Yeah, that's awesome, but when you print it 100%, it's too big for our 30mm minis. The scale does not match. I learned that the hard way, when I built it for my Star Terk Adventures weekend back in April without testing it with minis. My group, knowing me as a perfectionist in such matters, was quite amused that the chairs and helm console were as big, if not larger, than the minis... Should I guess, I'd say that about 75% the original size should be a match.  |
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Post by shep on Aug 26, 2017 7:09:56 GMT -9
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Post by oldschooldm on Aug 31, 2017 13:18:15 GMT -9
In play as the Lord of Snails in The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan..   |
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