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Post by squirmydad on Sept 20, 2015 19:12:14 GMT -9
Good job folks, what a splendid turnout of talent and enthusiasm! So, as some of you may have guessed, this is an event that will continue on into the future. Mark your calendars for the month of August, 2016. It's been going for five years now and gets better and bigger every year. This year there were a few...growing pains...but nothing disastrous. A very special thanks to oldschooldm for his media blitz campaign on behalf of the showcase all across the internet. I'm really pleased that this forum has continued to be one of the most courteous places on the internet, so thanks all. As always I need to ask; -Did the category descriptions make sense? -Did you understand what was needed to make a proper entry? -Did you understand where to enter your entry? -Did you understand what you were voting on? -Are there other questions I should be asking you? One of the recurring questions and requests I've seen over the years is the photo limit, so I'm changing that for next year. The new photo limit for an entry is six, up from three, but one of those has to be labeled as your voting picture. Having a picture to go along with the voting links was a very nice feature this year, thanks bravesirkevin , and all entries should have one good pic that will be used in the voting links at the end of the competition. I'm sure you have more suggestions for improvements, fire away!
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Post by berneart76 on Sept 20, 2015 19:44:51 GMT -9
I'll work on a distillation of the photography thread ( Best Practices w /Miniature Photography) as well, and pull together some additional resources to be included as a link to assist people with taking pictures of their entries as well.
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Post by oldschooldm on Sept 20, 2015 21:10:53 GMT -9
A very special thanks to oldschooldm for his media blitz campaign on behalf of the showcase all across the internet. You're quite welcome. I was very happy with the results - we got lots of new folks this year and a LOT more submissions. It was an AWESOME year. -Did the category descriptions make sense? I thought they were the best categories ever. Quite distinct - they didn't overlap and each category had enough wiggle room for all the entrants to feel comfortably in place. One of the recurring questions and requests I've seen over the years is the photo limit, so I'm changing that for next year. The new photo limit for an entry is six, up from three, but one of those has to be labeled as your voting picture. Thanks for bringing this up. Choosing only 3 photos for a detailed kitbash is just too few - (mine and several other entries suffered for this limit, I think). 6 sounds better to me. -Are there other questions I should be asking you? I'm taking this as an invitation to point out any improvements for future years and I hope these comments are considered by all the readers to be completely supportive of a bigger and better contest next year: - Who should be allowed to vote? As it has been, you can register at the very last second and vote. This caused problems and some user discomfort.
Several folks I've spoken with are concerned that this should not be 'in the spirit' of the contest. But, what is the spirit of the contest? Is a peer-review mechanism, or a open (anyone can vote) internet poll, or something else? I think we should probably discuss this question a bit before making specific rule/technology changes... See my next comment for a possible complication...
- Best of Show voting math isn't working well: We had 37 entries and 40 voters. The winning entry had 13 votes, next was 12, then 11, then 6! Clearly this category does not have enough VOTERS (multiplying the number of votes per voter doesn't help, as those numbers show.) For 37 entries we should have at least 100-200 voters (and perhaps one vote each) to decide the category. That number of voters seems unlikely with any registration-required scheme.
Perhaps Best of Show could be open to the internet and accept non-registered votes (via an external polling app?) separate from the existing categories. Yes, that means the winner is "most popular" or "best promoted" or something similar. Or the voting could be secret, or something else! I'm not at all sure about this, and it's deeply connected to the question I raise in my #1:
0. Who/What is the contest for? What (if any) changes are required to reach those goals?
We're suffering a bit from our success in growing participation in the contest and community! Partially as the result of reaching out further for participants, we're getting folks in that aren't long-timers, and so we chafe just a little bit. We can fix that... (I say this as someone who has grown a lot of online communities. At first it's "everyone knows everyone" and the next thing you know there are people you never heard of coming in the front door and taking second place. :-) Go us! OldSchoolDM
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Post by aaron on Sept 21, 2015 2:49:16 GMT -9
I think Old school raises some good points. In my considered and well thought out opinion *insert sarcasm here* I think the spirit of the contest is to raise awareness of the forum, let people showcase their skills and mostly for crafters/publishers to have some fun! like any good game there has to be rules or were just playing with paper dolls, but as long as we remember why were doing it, and keep it in the spirit of fun no matter what you guys come up with it will be fine. .... and next year I'm coming back with a nice camera so it's ON!!!
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 21, 2015 4:24:41 GMT -9
Best in show was my biggest concern this year. I'm not sure it can be set up for your 1st place vote, your second and your third, but if we can do that, giving a weighted vote, I think that it would better represent who we really think is best. 5 points for your first selection, 3 for second, 1 for third. I noticed that there were many folks who only made one or two votes in the category, and I think the likely reason for this is that when you vote for your second choice, you are really placing a vote against your favorite. At least when it is equally weighted. As I was following the voting, I noticed that sometimes the total votes for one of the entries decreased. I think that this was the reason some of the time.
With so many entries, the votes got spread a little thin. Weighting the vote would help this out, maybe.
Also, I think six photos is a little high. Five should be a reasonable number. Three was definitely too low.
I forget how the nomenclature for the different categories of members, but having general voting only for folks who have ten posts would probably be a good idea. I also think Best in Show should be available for anyone. The problem is balance. We want to expand the base of folks exposed to what is available, but by having things completely open for all voting, we open things up to people sending out a link to the vote to all their friends, skewing the voting. It is unlikely that these folks will ever participate in the forum again. Something needs an adjustment, but this is only a suggestion
On the other hand, I think things went very well this year overall. There were some great entries from many participants. There was discussion of the projects, so I think that this year's Papercuts should get at least an A-, maybe an A. Thanks for doing this again.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 21, 2015 5:17:55 GMT -9
Multiple voting is still a weird concept to me, though I like that it allows for showing some support to the underdogs in addition to your favorite. I think of voting is what I do to find someone to run the country... I'm not much of a competitor myself, I just appreciate how willing people are in this community to offer their time to share stuff!
Being able to vote for 2-out-of-3 in the tileset category felt like it would make it very hard for a 3rd place product to ever catch up, since anyone using that second vote will have a really good chance of keeping someone in front of the 3rd place finisher. Having weighted votes might have helped this, but I don't think proboards supports this.
As for submitting things, I love guidelines. I'm lame that way... I think requesting photos of a specific size (or aspect ratio) would be great. If you told me the images were going to be 792x612 (letter sized landscape at 72dpi) or 600x450 (3x4" image at 150dpi) or whatever, then boom! You'll get them images nicely sized and formatted. Even better, ask for JPG images at a specific size, so they aren't terribly large to host. I think asking folks to specify *one* image as the "cover" image for the submission is a great idea.
Are there specific guidelines that should be spelled out if what's being submitted is also available on OBS? I know you asked for a 'clean' submission as opposed to something that might have been processed by OBS. I included your flyer in the product. I know you aren't allowed to link to other sites from product descriptions on OBS, but if there's a text blurb you'd like included that describes the forums, the contest or anything else, I'll gladly make sure to use it.
Regarding voter turnout... Perhaps have a banner specially for the event that lets people know it's happening? How about proboards avatars like folks do with kickstarter? I don't know. I'm terrible at marketing. :-P
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Post by bravesirkevin on Sept 21, 2015 7:30:13 GMT -9
-Did the category descriptions make sense? Yes. The categories were great! I do think there may be room for some modification in the future however. I'd like to see a Professionals category in which commercial sets can be nominated by fans rather than entered by publishers. A lot of the best publishers out there did not enter, but a category like this would still allow for their stuff to be showcased for the betterment of the community. Prize money probably isn't a necessity here as this would be about free advertising and bragging rights. Possibly also a few non-category specific awards. Things like "The Most Improved", "The Most Creative" etc. Yes to all of these. There are always tons of questions that need asking, but don't stress about it. Sure someone else will ask and answer them soon enough! One of the thoughts I had while talking to oldschooldm about this was that it might be better to allow for a single 1920x1080 image, but you can fill that space with as many pictures as you'd like. Thus you could have 2 or 3 big pictures, or 6-10 small ones. This might be a little impractical for folks who don't know their way around image manipulating software though. I'd put specific limits on the "thumbnail" image though. They should all be the same size and orientation and if there is going to be decorations then they should all match up. Perhaps we can create a template for it beforehand and people can just copy-paste their favourite image into it before they submit. - Who should be allowed to vote? As it has been, you can register at the very last second and vote. This caused problems and some user discomfort.
Several folks I've spoken with are concerned that this should not be 'in the spirit' of the contest. But, what is the spirit of the contest? Is a peer-review mechanism, or a open (anyone can vote) internet poll, or something else? I think we should probably discuss this question a bit before making specific rule/technology changes... See my next comment for a possible complication...
I think the spirit of the contest is to raise awareness of the forum, let people showcase their skills and mostly for crafters/publishers to have some fun! In response to aaron, I think the intention of contests is to build the community and raise awareness, but the contest does have prizes and might be competitive even without them. The "spirit" in this case refers to what it actually means when you win. Did one win because the community thought that their entry was the best, or did one win because they went far and wide and called all their friends to come to the forum to to vote for them? I'd say the former is in keeping with the spirit of the contest, while the latter just makes it a popularity contest and doesn't do anything good for the spirit or the intention of the contest. It brings in new folks, yes, but those new folks just go vote for their friend without looking at any of the other stuff and then disappear, never to be seen again. It's also entirely possible for someone to go and create an account for every e-mail address they have and go and vote for themselves, and that's even worse. Like oldschooldm, I feel that we should codify the "spirit of the contest" so that everyone knows exactly what it means, and I do feel that there needs to be sort of code of conduct placed on anybody that enters. Things that should be on that code of conduct are: โข You may not vote in any category that you have entered. (Everybody does that at the moment, so it cancels out, but it's better to just outlaw it so there's a bright line separating right from wrong. It also makes sock-puppeting explicitly against the rules.) โข You should promote the contest far and wide on all your social media, but your intention should be to promote the contest as a whole, not to campaign for votes. โข You should treat your fellow entrants with respect. Probably a lot more stuff that can go on there, but those are my contributions for now. Some of these problems could be completely avoided with some technology changes like just preventing new accounts from voting, but either way there should be some sort of written rules in place. They'll help keep people honest and in the unlikely event that someone does succumb to the temptation to be dishonest, then it makes it easier to take action over it. I don't think newcomers feel the need to vote, and newcomers that only come here to vote are probably not going to stay active after they have voted so I don't think that it will hurt promotional efforts if we bar new accounts from voting. Other categories had about 50 voters, so I'd say the real problem here is that people were spoiled for choice. There were so many entries and people spread their votes around. Certain there were many people who were reluctant to give votes to people who were already winning, so they spread their votes to people who weren't doing that well in the categories and that's why the top 3 only got a median of 12 votes from 40 voters. As I said earlier in the post, I think we should probably have a couple mini-awards in addition to best of show. Perhaps we should have a neutral committee who has not entered anything choose 5-10 for each mini award and then have voting proceed as normal. (Alternatively, people can nominate things for the mini-awards in the entry threads. "wow! You've come a long way since last year's entry! I nominate this for Most Improved!"). I think this will help matters by reducing the options and by asking people to evaluate entries on specific criteria.
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Post by Cardstock Dane on Sept 21, 2015 8:27:06 GMT -9
โข You may not vote in any category that you have entered. (Everybody does that at the moment, so it cancels out, but it's better to just outlaw it so there's a bright line separating right from wrong. It also makes sock-puppeting explicitly against the rules.) I see what you mean, but as you mention yourself, it probably won't have much of a effect in terms of voting mechanics. Certain there were many people who were reluctant to give votes to people who were already winning, so they spread their votes to people who weren't doing that well in the categories and that's why the top 3 only got a median of 12 votes from 40 voters. That's really impossible to say from that small bit data, and a population that small. It could just as well be that people like different things, depending on taste and what games they play. We can't really say a lot about motives on that ground. One thing that could be added to the thoughts about the voting system, is that you can see how the votes has been cast so far before you cast your own vote. The 'standings' should be invisible until you have submitted your vote. Also, you can change your votes right up until the poll closes. I'm not sure I like that either - IMO your vote should be final once cast. I like the mini-award idea.
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Post by bravesirkevin on Sept 21, 2015 8:37:05 GMT -9
โข You may not vote in any category that you have entered. (Everybody does that at the moment, so it cancels out, but it's better to just outlaw it so there's a bright line separating right from wrong. It also makes sock-puppeting explicitly against the rules.) I see what you mean, but as you mention yourself, it probably won't have much of a effect in terms of voting mechanics. Yeah, it's a formality, but not a meaningless one. It won't affect the outcome, but by defining what fair play is you establish the expectation in people's minds and you have some guideline to work to if there's a dispute. Hiding results would actually be very helpful I think. The current set-up does make it very easy (and very tempting) to game the system.
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Post by squirmydad on Sept 21, 2015 8:51:13 GMT -9
Back when I was running the MMiP showcases I used to have a "Fabulous New Guy" (FNG) award that was only available to first time entrants.
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Post by yifferman on Sept 21, 2015 9:32:49 GMT -9
i cant participate in it... xd
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 21, 2015 10:31:38 GMT -9
I am probably one of those people that some may have an issue in how he voted. As I was more concerned with overall outcome, I would change my vote. In my mind's eye, I knew who I wished were the top slot, second, etc. all the way down the list. My original votes were for my top three (or two in the one category). If I saw too much incongruity with my breakdown of the entries, I would switch my votes. In most of the categories, where I saw the biggest disconnect was in the lower votes, so I ended up moving my votes to the lower vote entries, except where I thought my number one pick was going to miss the prize.
I admit that I am unusual in this aspect, that the goal of my voting was to use my votes to get 1 to 20 in the 'right' order, but I also believe that this holds to the spirit of the contest. I was honored that my entry ended up in 4th place (I had it in 5th in my head), so I didn't vote for myself. I didn't need to. I was doing better than I thought I should. There were a few entries that ended up more than one spot away from where I placed them, but I chalked that up to usefulness to the true gamers here at the forum.
I've been thinking about the Cole Camp Fair and how prizes are awarded there. On each entry, they are judged on criteria, set by whether it is produce, baked goods, art, horticulture, etc. If there were eight entries in a category, on each criterion they would rank the entry 1 - 8, with one being best. They would then total the numbers and the low number wins. I don't know if we could do that here, but it would certainly make people think more about how they are voting.
Also, at the fair, there are 'exhibition' entries that aren't up for prizes. If something like that were available, that would be how I would have entered my project. Exhibition entries are allowed votes for People's Choice awards, though.
Am I muddying up the waters enough?
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Post by bravesirkevin on Sept 21, 2015 14:10:49 GMT -9
I am probably one of those people that some may have an issue in how he voted. As I was more concerned with overall outcome, I would change my vote. In my mind's eye, I knew who I wished were the top slot, second, etc. all the way down the list. My original votes were for my top three (or two in the one category). If I saw too much incongruity with my breakdown of the entries, I would switch my votes. In most of the categories, where I saw the biggest disconnect was in the lower votes, so I ended up moving my votes to the lower vote entries, except where I thought my number one pick was going to miss the prize. While there's nothing cheaty about what you did there, I'd say that this sort of thing is definitely vote manipulation and has a lot of problems attached. It should be discouraged by any amendments we do make to the system. If the system is meant to work by popular vote, then everyone should just vote for which one they think is most deserving of the win, while what you've done here is to try and act as an arbiter who uses his votes to remedy the "bad voting decisions" of the others in order to get the outcome you desire. I don't think you're alone in this though. Watching the way the positions shifted in the polls, I definitely got the impression that there was a lot of this sort of strategic voting going on.
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 21, 2015 14:57:21 GMT -9
I think there was a lot of that going on. I think the answer is to not reveal tallies until voting ends. Or to lock your vote once it is placed. I think either of these options is available in the ProBoards polls.
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Post by emergencyoverride on Sept 21, 2015 21:56:53 GMT -9
Yeah being able to see the vote tallies before I voted wasn't cool. It takes away from the fun and I think it lends itself to entries not being given due consideration, because if you see that one entry has 15 votes and the others have 2 or 3, then a voter is more likely to think their vote is wasted and vote for the high vote entry. In spite of this, I voted for the ones I thought should win even though it seemed like there was no chance because of the running tallies. I also think that once you vote, you shouldn't be able to change your vote later. Other than that this year was a smashing success! Great job everyone.
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Post by lightning on Sept 21, 2015 23:04:04 GMT -9
I voted because I saw a reminder that this was on (as I did not know about it just coming back lately). That will change the next year :-) So the promotion part worked for me!
I liked being able to vote on multiple not only one within a category.
More images sounds good but I think 5 or 6 should be the max.
Making the purpose more clear is a good idea esp to ensure people know why they are voting (promoting the forum vs hyping one set for example) but then again there will always be some guys who wants to push his thing and bend the rules to his favor so I would not invest too much to prevent that.
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 22, 2015 3:29:15 GMT -9
having general voting only for folks who have ten posts would probably be a good idea. Could we not select voters by date of registration? If somebody registers in July and doesn't feel like writing a lot of "I agree with what has already been said," they may not have 10 posts by August, but that does not mean they don't really care about the forum. I suggest July 31 as the cut off date, assuming that can be done at all.
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 22, 2015 3:56:41 GMT -9
On the other hand, if someone see's this on Mauther's blog and is intrigued, we will turn him off, if he can't vote. I think putting up with a few 'this is so cool' posts is worth it to expand the hobby.
The thing that has me very pleased about this year's follow up, is that people are actually thinking about how to improve the process, and making suggestions
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 22, 2015 4:08:20 GMT -9
Back when I was running the MMiP showcases I used to have a "Fabulous New Guy" (FNG) award that was only available to first time entrants. I was once a "Fabulous New Guy." That seems a long time ago.
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Post by aaron on Sept 22, 2015 4:52:44 GMT -9
cowboyleland you will always be a "Fabulous New Guy" to me LOL
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Post by aleks on Sept 27, 2015 23:25:27 GMT -9
Hi everybody. As first-time Papercutters I enjoied the 'competition' a lot. This time I was a bit late so... Mark your calendars for the month of August, 2016. ... I start work tomorrow for the next Papercut. Categories are pretty self-explaining, and I know exactly what to do but I feel a little confused by some entries. I absolutely do not want to make polemic, only need to clarify myself... 1) pics limits: three is a little low, five would be a right number. I agree with the 'voting pictures' choice made by the user. But I need to understand if the work in progress pictures enters in the count of pictures...Vermin King post have more than 3 pics in it. 2) Single Figures / Multi figures submission: what have I to consider "figure"? A human/not so humam characters? The accessory/complements count as figures? Killadecus entry is a single figure in two parts or two figures that can be used as singles or joined togheter? Bravesirkevin Mr. Molok is a single figure with accessories or a multi figure? As I said, no polemic intent, I only need to clarify the concept for myself. A great thank you to everyone. Alex
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 28, 2015 4:13:48 GMT -9
I probably should have split out an Entry Post from the development post.
Personally, I like to see development of models and figures. But a new thread for the vote would have been appropriate.
There is a little bit of question between single-figure and multi-figure entries. Sometimes a single figure has accessories. Is it still a single figure? Is it a multi-figure? I don't think we ever split that out.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 28, 2015 6:53:05 GMT -9
Bah. Lost what I was typing... And, I'm typing this at work between real tasks, so it might be a little rambling... sorry...
There are some blurry lines between "figure" and "model", and so I'll put forward these 2ยข. I'm not trying to state some formal definition that people agree on. This is just how it works in my head. If other people agree, bonus!
A "figure" is a 2d or 2.5d standee representing a creature or object. Examples of a "figure": A 2d (flat) humanoid or animal standee that would fit into a single base. A 2d (flat) terrain element such as a bush, a tree or flowers that would fit into a single base. A 2.5d combination of 2d elements that make up a single figure (a crossbowman with the crossbow lathe/limb/prod) slotted in place) (a mounted figure slotted into its mount) (a terrain element composed of flat pieces slotted together, such as a tree)
A "single-figure" submission would be ONE "figure" as defined above. A "multi-figure" submission would be MORE THAN ONE "figure" as defined above, or a "single-figure" that features multiple options that would require multiple prints, or removing and attaching other parts to accomplish.
Most folks make 2d figures. Permes' style of figures where he layers parts to make the final piece would be (to me) 2.5d figures. Eddnic's style of figures where he requires bending pieces and multiple bits assembled would be a 2.5d figure. It starts to borders on a "model" to me, but that's ok.
A guy riding a giant war cat? I'll call it a 2.5d "single-figure". A creepy tree made by slotting two 2d pieces together? I'll call it a 2.5d "single-figure".
A soldier guy with a collection of accessories that are separately attachable? I'm gonna call it a "multi-figure" if you're going to try to pitch it with all the accessories. Pick ONE accessory set to attach to the guy, and I'll think of it as a "single-figure". A warrior woman that comes in a variety of colors? I'm gonna call it a "multi-figure" if you're going to try to pitch it with the multiple colors. Pick ONE color scheme or layer options to submit and I'll think of it as a "single-figure".
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Post by bravesirkevin on Sept 28, 2015 16:04:38 GMT -9
I don't mind if there's a stricter definition for the purposes of categories, but being a little looser with definitions means we don't land up spreading out the entries too much.
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Post by wyvern on Sept 29, 2015 4:27:54 GMT -9
* Voter registration: A cutoff date by when anyone who may want to vote must have registered makes most sense to me. Expecting someone to have posted "X" number of comments to qualify as a voter will just encourage meaningless one-liners, I think (isn't that why we have a "Like" button?). And then we'd have arguments about whether Shoutbox comments counted or not...
Not being able to vote may deter some folks from looking round the Forum during Papercuts, but that in turn suggests their interest in papercrafting probably isn't that great anyway. How many of us lurked for ages before joining the CWF, and then lurked some more before we felt we could contribute comments, for instance?
* Voting system: Invisible poll results till you've voted, and locking your vote immediately after you've done so seems the best way forward here. Being able to change your mind after you've voted really shouldn't be an option, because it devalues the point of the vote - did you suddenly decide you really hated something you'd liked equally a few moments before? If so, maybe you needed to have thought more about it before voting.
* Best In Show: I really struggled with this vote, just trying to recall the names of things I'd already voted for, and then hopping about from place to place trying to make comparisons, mostly because there were far too many to select from. A better plan might be to have a two-tier vote for Best In Show, so we firstly vote for each individual category, and then the winner from each category goes forward to the Best In Show poll, and that vote runs for, let's say, an extra week, before the overall victor ludorum is decided.
* Photo limits: The three photo limit does have its uses, and I'd be inclined to hold firm with it, because it encourages people to think much more about how they're presenting their work, reducing the lazy scattergun "loads of pictures" approach, which all too often in magazines, for example, really just fills space without saying anything new and useful about the subject of the images. Frequently, I've found setting much tighter limits than some people are "happy" with gets the message across much more succinctly and powerfully. Six images seems far too generous, indeed potentially wasteful, to me.
Extra help in getting people to take and present better images is an excellent idea. Some of the shots this time were really discards. And that's primarily a question of getting people to take their time and think more about preparing the images before clicking to take the shot. Neither is it a question of expensive/sophisticated camera gear. Really basic imaging systems are capable of producing remarkable, clear, good photos. All it needs is time, and maybe a few dozen more shots, each one carefully checked so the next can be corrected and improved upon if necessary. This doesn't need great electronic or computing expertise, just a little more effort on the photographer's part.
* What's a "figure": Maybe instead of "figure" we should substitute "mini" as meaning "miniature figurine or other single free-standing item". "Figure" does have "human" connotations in general English usage, so maybe this would be more helpful. I'm not sure I'd want to be more proscriptive than this; even introducing concepts like "2D" or "2.5D" would exclude papercraft creations like Eddnic's 3D paper minis, for example.
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Post by squirmydad on Oct 5, 2015 13:54:58 GMT -9
Lots of good comments, but I feel too much emphasis has been placed on the sock puppet incident. I believe this is an open door community, there are good and bad things that come with that. I feel it's worse for the community to close the doors at a time when we are inviting the world to come and visit than it is for minor annoyances to sneak in. Things I can definitely do in the future; - Poll results will be invisible until finished. I've been striving for transparency in this competition since I took over but I can see having that information publicly available can actually be detrimental. -I can sit on the security log and review the IP of new members, culling out the duplicates if they should crop up. If. -Picture limit will be raised to six, with one of them following a distinct format as it will be the voting picture. If I think of more I'll post them here. I'm hoping that with the media blitz across the internet of this year will result in more interested parties participating in 2016. Papercuts Aeterna.
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Post by squirmydad on Jan 25, 2016 18:00:07 GMT -9
The Papercuts 2015 gallery is up; link
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Post by Rhannon on Jan 25, 2016 23:45:04 GMT -9
The Papercuts 2015 gallery is up; linkGreat page, Eric! Thank you very much. Sadly I have problems with the downloads. I can't download the big files ( Hiring Hall, Steam launch, Roman Roads, the newsstand and the automobil-garage ). Now I think it can be a problem about the used server. Can it be?
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Post by berneart76 on Jan 26, 2016 3:33:26 GMT -9
The Papercuts 2015 gallery is up; linkGreat page, Eric! Thank you very much. Sadly I have problems with the downloads. I can't download the big files ( Hiring Hall, Steam launch, Roman Roads, the newsstand and the automobil-garage ). Now I think it can be a problem about the used server. Can it be? I haven't had any problems downloading the submissions. even did a test on the Hiring hall, took lees than a minute for me to download, but then again I'm on a 30Mbps connection
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