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Post by lightning on Nov 23, 2015 5:45:33 GMT -9
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Nov 23, 2015 6:12:15 GMT -9
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Post by lightning on Nov 23, 2015 6:57:26 GMT -9
Thanks for the link. That is a great idea for poseable stuff.
The reason for my design is that I thought it would be possible not only to use the carts and wagons "up", the way they are meant to be used, but also broken, turned over, on the side as barricades and you have the underside looking somewhat realistic. So for such a small axis it will not work.
If someone wants to have turning wheels, I can imagine to just stick a toothpick into the axis, cut the pointed ends and glue the wheels on and pray they hold :-)
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 23, 2015 9:25:25 GMT -9
I would definitely consider using Josh Buczinski's flat axle as MProteau suggested. I've used it in several projects, like cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/6693/flat-axle-chickenhawkIt doesn't wear out. At least I have yet to wear one out. They are easy to use and can mostly be 'out of sight', so it would work well on a flipped wagon.
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Post by lightning on Nov 23, 2015 9:44:20 GMT -9
so the way I understood it, the wheel would have to clip into the wagon wall then, right?
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Nov 23, 2015 10:05:59 GMT -9
I wasn't proposing the wheels be attached like that... I was thinking the axle would be attached to the bottom of the wagon like that, so it could swivel left/right...
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Post by lightning on Nov 23, 2015 10:11:36 GMT -9
aaaaahhhh ... now i get it! that makes much more sense :-) sorry too late for me tonight to think straight i guess.
so yes, i will look into that tomorrow.
do you know about copyright/license situation of that? is it free to use?
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 23, 2015 11:06:29 GMT -9
The box would have the hole. Insert the clip and glue the axle onto the clip.
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Post by imnntt on Nov 24, 2015 5:41:24 GMT -9
All you would have to do is lay the front assembly in place and glue a disk onto the hub to hold it in place before you add the axle on. Then you could rotate the whole front wheel assembly.
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Post by lightning on Nov 24, 2015 8:54:27 GMT -9
I just saw the circle shape of the clip thing and instantly thought of the wheels. I got it now :-) I sent Josh an email asking about license status for commercial products. I'll let you know as soon as I got an answer. In the meantime here's where I got to today ... I have one more wagon type I want to try before I start texturing.
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Nov 24, 2015 8:59:22 GMT -9
imnntt is totally correct, though. The robo joint is great for hidden joints, but here you've got it pretty well exposed. BTW - beautiful wagons!
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 24, 2015 10:26:28 GMT -9
You can always texture the flat axle piece, so that it blends in. If I ever go back to that carriage, I intend to do that.
I'm glad you emailed Josh. I believe I saw in his blog that he was willing to share the concept, but it is always better to have things in writing.
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Post by lightning on Nov 25, 2015 4:07:15 GMT -9
I have not heard from Josh, but that design is really genius. Hope it will work out. If not I have to leave it to the modders :-) I agree, texturing will make it blend in seamlessly. Anyway, this is the last member of the wagon family. Front and back view and ready for interior work ... I see some minor things (as usual) I want to fix and then it's time for texturing.
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Post by lightning on Nov 28, 2015 6:27:45 GMT -9
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Post by lightning on Dec 1, 2015 6:47:51 GMT -9
throwing some (digital) mud at the wagon ... but it maybe was too much for the roof :-)
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Post by yifferman on Dec 1, 2015 9:31:11 GMT -9
very good , looks awesome
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Post by eran on Dec 3, 2015 11:22:31 GMT -9
I love your little vardos!
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Post by cowboycentaur on Dec 3, 2015 22:59:32 GMT -9
These look great!
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Post by lightning on Dec 4, 2015 8:16:39 GMT -9
learned a new word: vardo :-)
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Post by lightning on Dec 5, 2015 5:56:39 GMT -9
These will be the 3 big carts or wagons. I whipped up different wheel textures to get some more variations. One question: I think the "fortification" bars (the ones across the normal wall planks) would only be on one side but it might look better if they are on both. What do you say? Or a I completely lost in tunnel vision? Any other feedback, critique or wishes before I start packaging in preparation for sale?
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 5, 2015 6:54:33 GMT -9
I've always been one that looks at what first gets your attention.
The thing that jumps out at me are the wheels. Especially the ones on the Vardo. They look a bit too plain. I know that in real life many ox carts and wagons had very plain wheels, but if someone owned a beautiful caravan wagon like that, I think they would have upgraded wheels, too.
The slope side wagons wheels look appropriate. The box wagon wheels look appropriately reinforced, but the Gypsy wagon wheels look a little out of place. They need to be jazzed up a little IMO.
I think you would have more buyers if you had a spoked wheel option
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Post by lightning on Dec 5, 2015 9:15:47 GMT -9
spoked wheels ... done! thanks for the tip. I also have made iron rim wheels. will show them next week.
Have to laugh at how many different names the one wagon gets. I called it the medieval travel wagon. My girl friend called it the circus wagon. The file name is house wagon. But vardo sounds nice and exotic.
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Post by lightning on Dec 8, 2015 8:20:14 GMT -9
My girl friend performed at the Vienna Musikverein ... again! But I managed to squeeze in building a couple of wheel variations: Iron rim, single bars and spoked. And dirt! I know the resolution is bad, probably due to low light and phone cam, but you get the idea. They look really good on my table
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Post by lightning on Dec 14, 2015 5:11:11 GMT -9
I am about to prepare the final files and am wondering how to setup the size. A4 and Letter version each? Or one version covering minimal space for both? And if the one version should it be Letter (I guess more users in US) just so you don't have think to much when printing. And how does this work with the registration marks for Silhuette?
I have everything setup now for A4. Does the registration work if the marks are at uneven space from border?
Any thoughts?
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 14, 2015 5:47:57 GMT -9
I don't have the time this morning to look it up, but MProteau has a thread here on setting things up. OldSchoolDM has several posts on it, too.
If you don't hear back beforehand, I'll look it up after work today
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Post by lightning on Dec 14, 2015 6:52:07 GMT -9
I was able to create a template in Letter size with registration marks covering the safe area for both Letter and A4 that seems to work here using A4 paper for printing and then cutting with the portrait. If any of you have the time and interest I here are the files in case you want to try it out (it's just a simple blue cube btw) and let me know. The PDF should support layers to be turned on or off. I have separate layers for cut, fold and texture. PDF file linkcut file linkLooking forward to feedback
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Post by berneart76 on Dec 14, 2015 7:00:33 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 14, 2015 9:29:31 GMT -9
Thank you, sir
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Post by lightning on Dec 17, 2015 4:29:08 GMT -9
quick update on the unspoked wheel variations. the wagons will also have variations with metal ... working on the spoked wheels today
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Post by lightning on Dec 18, 2015 11:09:06 GMT -9
and the spoked variations I also developed a rust texture for really old wagons. So that would complete the variations I can think of. The only medieval wagon I can think of more is a prison wagon. But I want to focus on completing what I have now so that might be a update piece for later.
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