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Post by lightning on Aug 11, 2016 6:24:50 GMT -9
Redid the whole thing to allow for detachable dome and interior. I had some ideas to make it a little more simpler to build but for now it will work. Just building the outside is much easier. The walls with interior will lead to a point where you have to just glue close space without being able to press from the other side. That is something I would like to avoid. Will be addressed in next version. Once the dome is off, you can clean your robots or whatever you want to do For the dome I now have "horizontal glue layers" which could also be used for interior texture. Assembling the dome this way is very easy, clean and stable. Here are the files. Consider it a work in progress. If you have ideas/feedback let me know. For now I will give this thread back to Vermin King and his great diorama and get back to my own stuff unfold filecutfiles zip
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 11, 2016 6:36:46 GMT -9
Outstanding! I know you are concentrating on Oriental pieces these days. I appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule to do this. Thank you very much
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 14, 2016 4:30:13 GMT -9
Yes, I definitely need to lose the little Kinect buildings. I spent four hours last night working on getting the Jerba the way I wanted him and ended up not saving a bit of my work. Did find a good image of Obi-Wan for that figure, and another Dewback. I still want to get the cantina façade done. It may be easiest to do a white build first with restickable glue, then scan it in and texture. I don't know if you have ever seen the real building that they modified to be the cantina for the movie, but it is a real building in Djerba. Lucas had an angled façade added to that building. My thought is to do two 4X4 buildings with domes and the extension on the left as a 2X2. Connect them with a façade piece and overlay with a roof piece turning it into one building. I might even add that terrace off to the left with the steps, but not sure. I'm waiting to see someone do a fold-flat of the Lars Homestead...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 14, 2016 10:41:20 GMT -9
I thought I would go back and show some of those shots of the actual building. So you can see that my approach on doing a façade and roof overlay is pretty much what Lucas did.
Then for screenshots
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 14, 2016 13:11:12 GMT -9
Okay, I'm a bit OCD on the Jerba. I thank GM64 for the base on this. To think he can whip it out in an hour and I've got four hours (counting research) into this and nothing to show for it. But I've decided I'm going to correct that tonight before I move on to the Dewback and additional figures. From the original sketch, think Yak with a manatee head and camel feet There are a few shots of the prop and parts of the prop, but there aren't great shots of it in the movie or remake. Not mentioned is the Dog nose and Cow eyes, nor the lighter colored fur on the back or the hairless tail. I'm going to try to capture these elements and do a figure that looks okay. I doubt it will be great, but with everything else in the diorama, maybe it won't stand out as being the worst part...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 14, 2016 15:55:12 GMT -9
Almost two hours and it is only starting to look like I want. I need to do this more often. Practice, practice, practice
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 14, 2016 17:26:22 GMT -9
I feel a bit better about the Dewback
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Post by kgstanley81 on Aug 15, 2016 10:21:56 GMT -9
Looking good, can't wait to see the finished product
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 15, 2016 17:57:51 GMT -9
Tried to sketch out the floor plan of how I see the cantina progressing. I based it off the actual building images and screenshots. If I lose the arches (except for one that doesn't show in the top image, off on the right side), Chris's dome structure is 5.5 inches point to point. I'll have to cobble together that front wall from the actual building. Behind, but overlapping the dome structure are two 4X6 inch buildings. One has a flat roof, the other has two arched roofs and needs to be slightly shorter in height. To the left is a terrace/patio area that in the real version extends to the back. In one of the versions of the movie, there is a wall, not quite as tall as the building that cuts this area in half. In the other version, there is a building extension there. It may be just as easy to make the extension as it is to make the wall. Then I will have to make the false front and new roof, might even do that black and white arch thing that sits on the roof roughly above the cantina entrance. Broken down into parts, I think this is do-able. We'll see
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Post by lightning on Aug 15, 2016 20:59:32 GMT -9
I'm waiting to see someone do a fold-flat of the Lars Homestead... Hahaha, not me. Good luck with that. The only one who might have a chance to do that would probably be the grand master of fold-flat himself: oldschooldm. Looking forward to progress. Love this thread!
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 17, 2016 18:27:18 GMT -9
Had a bear of a day at work today, so quickly finished up the design of the two 4X6 buildings. Key word -- quickly. When you hurry, you screw things up. I went back and fixed the templates after I had to remove and add tabs all over the taller building. I'll have to print it over again when I do the final layout.
In a rush, so cost myself an extra couple hours...
Scale wise, the two 4X6 buildings look right, but I have to notch them so the dome edge will slide in. Taking longer than I thought, but I really like that door the Jawas are sitting in front of. I think I captured it well
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 18, 2016 17:58:03 GMT -9
Okay, the double arched roof structure needs to be lower still. Check out the images a couple posts back. I wanted to figure out a way to approximate the shape of the wall extension on the left side of the dome, and had a 'brilliant' idea. Key word is approximate. I think I need to try again. Careful trimming is probably the answer. Once I get that 'arc-shaped' section worked out, and lower the one building another half inch, and get the terrace worked out, ... EDIT: I AM AN IDIOT! I want to thank Chris for designing a dome without arches for this project, BTW. Thanks. Now, when I went to bed, I realized that on the façade wall, I was concerned with getting the arch entrance to fit in the space between the dome and the building on the left, and I was wondering how to capture that shape on the upper dome wall without having to repetitively trim away. Then it hit me, if I enlarge the dome building by 10%, I'll have to break it up into extra pages. Not a big deal. That will mean adding an extra half inch in height to the building on the left, too, which will help with the façade geometry. Here's where the light came on ... I can have a plain wall between the seams on the new dome from the peak to edge of the ground. The width of the wall is the radius to the corner lower wall point. So much easier. And with less than two weeks left, I need 'easier'
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 19, 2016 18:16:39 GMT -9
I had hoped to make more progress tonight. Modified the templates for the changes to the buildings, then a storm blew in, and watched the Tibetan Book of the Dead on OnDemand. I think I have most of the layout correct, except for that little window on the dome that they plastered over the window in the movie. have the spot marked with just a square of texture until I work out the dimensions. Got everything scored and the rectangular building cut out, but I'm heading to the country in the morning, so I won't be getting anything else together tonight It's a screenshot that I wish I could find a larger image of, but this shows that window And here's a photo of the uncut pages of buildings I'm swapping out. I'm really anxious to verify that I got the geometry correct, but it will have to wait until Sunday night...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 21, 2016 18:38:51 GMT -9
Tonight did not show as much progress as I would like. Finished the 3" tall rectangular building which looks much better sitting beside the double-arched-roof building. The height of the wall matches up much better with the height of the door, too. Built the 5-segment portion of the dome, but did not add the tall wall just yet. I got the edge fairly solid, so that I can get the contour correct at the edge. If I have to do modifications, I think this will be necessary information. That works for the edge, but I will also need that for the face (not the edge) for adding that little window they covered over. I will get this by softly mounting the 'lip' of the low wall to a table, place my black posterboard behind it, and take a photo parallel to the faces. I only need the lowest segment and the one immediately above it, so that should get me what I need.
I've also been studying those imperfect shots of the front of the building. It appears that the false wall is in three segments, the main entrance, sharply bent segment that meets the first bend in the tall wall around the dome, and a segment that covers that tall wall segment. The longer entrance wall does not appear to meet at a right angle with the wall the Jawas sit in front of. I didn't get much accomplished build-wise, but the concept is definitely coming together.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 22, 2016 17:55:45 GMT -9
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Post by Brave Adventures on Aug 23, 2016 4:13:12 GMT -9
Vermin King, do you mind if I post some of these pictures on Twitter to promote the hobby?
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Aug 23, 2016 6:23:36 GMT -9
Awesome stuff!
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 23, 2016 8:30:38 GMT -9
Of course, I don't mind. Don't email to Lucas or Disney, though...
On the other hand, they might not mind. Claudio Dias does some great models, and Disney hired him to do that Falcon, etc. that you can pick up at Barnes & Noble, etc.
Whether it is a play figure model or the Lego model or one of the 3d computer models, no one to my knowledge has actually done a model that is actually based on the movie set. This is challenging enough, but still in the range of my abilities, so I'm giving it a try. And it is looking like I might actually finish in time. Last night I designed the terrace to the left of the building in the screen shots and that window they plastered over that is like a dormer on the dome. Tonight I'll build those. As I build the different pieces and get them to where I am satisfied, I scan them into my templates. I don't think I could distribute it as the Mos Eisley Cantina, but I'm trying to put it together in the files as if it would be distributed. For my own development as a designer.
It would be a nightmare if I tried to distribute it. The original dome isn't mine (BTW I modified the dome file again to have better fit to the roof of the tall wall. I doubt I will have time to build another, but I felt I should have it in my files). The shape of the double-arched-roof building isn't mine. The terrace is a mod of the roof of a Ghost of Man building. Even the textures are mod's of the textures used in the X-Box Kinect buildings. Even the doors are mod's based off screen shots.
But as an iconic building in the Star Wars mythos, I felt like it needed to be done.
One easy change that I will do is to turn the 4-inch X 6-inch building into a 5X6. I would be more appropriately scaled to the original building and will allow room to do the entrance archway and inset door. I'm having clearance issues with it as it is currently laid out. I can make it work, but I'd rather have a model that is as close to the movie set as my feeble skills can manage.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 23, 2016 17:18:47 GMT -9
I need to keep the images in front of me while I work. I didn't like the look of the dormer window, so I removed it. Now looking at the photos, it was correct. Just have to print another one. Got the terrace done, and not too shabby. I'm afraid I'll mess up the façade if I start working on it tonight now, so I think I will work on the 3X3 extension behind the terrace and the 6X5 replacement building. Then I'll call it a night. On the façade, I really want the recessed arch with the door and 'light' recessed behind that. That is why the one building needs enlarged to 6X5
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 24, 2016 12:26:58 GMT -9
The façade wall is starting to look like a very thin building at this point. The front wall, the inset arch layer followed by a back wall with the inset door and light above the door. The more solid structure will make a good anchoring point for the final roof to attach, but that is an area that I should have given more thought. The buildings are held together with bobby pins and paperclips. Unseen, so it works. But the roof overlay will need to sit tightly against the building edges. I'd hate to have to glue it down. That would ruin the modular capability of the model. I'm currently thinking tab and slot, but that can leave some unsightly tabs and slots. Anyone have other ideas?
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 24, 2016 18:00:08 GMT -9
I hear printer stories with some frequency, but this is the first time I've had a really bad issue. The 3X3 building came out just right, but the 6X5 building which was a modification of the 6X4 buildings which were fine. Went back and checked the files with the grids, and everything is the proper height, width and length. After printing, scoring, cutting, folding and edging, I discovered the five inch walls are just over 1/8th of an inch short. The six inch walls are over a quarter of an inch short. And I have no clue why. Razzum frazzum. Tomorrow's another day
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Post by lightning on Aug 24, 2016 22:54:16 GMT -9
what's your workflow? printing pdf with acrobat reader?
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 25, 2016 3:39:54 GMT -9
I generally export to pdf, but I think I will export to png and print again
EDIT--
Okay, my page sizes somehow got messed up. Not sure how I did that since I always work from a new US Letter page. I don't see how this would have messed things up, since I always print at 100%
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Post by cowboyleland on Aug 25, 2016 6:28:12 GMT -9
Now that you mention it, when stuff like this happens to me, it is because I have forgotten to un-click a "fit to page" box somewhere.
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 25, 2016 8:11:48 GMT -9
'Fit to Page' should have messed with other dimensions, too, so I'm not sure why it happened.
I'm going to transfer the parts to new pages, double check with the grids that everything is the correct size, and print again at 100%
EDIT--
That's what I did and everything checks out. Just not really a whole lot of time to deal with issues, so it was better to make sure they didn't happen.
Whew
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 25, 2016 16:16:03 GMT -9
Remember, at this point, I am going for this look, but with the back half of the terrace turned into a building extension. Here's where I'm at... I now have room for the façade, with the inset arch and door ... Yes! There's hope for this project yet. Has anyone come up with any ideas for that roof?
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 25, 2016 18:38:54 GMT -9
Onto the façade. There aren't any full-frontal views of this. (Since anyone walking in only has a couple feet until they hit the building wall, it isn't surprising) The main view I based this from is this one You can see that the material lining the door insert is the same material they used in the door in front of the Jawas. They must have made rolls of it. I would imagine that if you look for that stuff throughout the film, it would probably show up elsewhere. You can't really see the door, but you can see that it is considerably wider at the bottom than the top. I assumed that the logo in the lighted sign is supposed to be centered. I haven't seen any views that contradict that, but since all the camera angles are at an angle, I'm making an assumption. I'm taking some artistic license. The façade wall does not meet the 'Jawa wall' at a right angle, but I'm going to make it a right angle to simplify my life. Attached to the Entrance Wall is the angle wall that connects to the dome tall wall. I haven't worked out how long it needs to be, so I put it in as 3 inches for now. So here's where I am at I spent a whole lot of effort cleaning up the Jawa door, so I am keeping a copy in blank space in this file. I will need another copy of the front wall to give me all the parts to inset the arch and the door and sign. Still need to do the strip inside the arch, the door and sign surrounds, and that black and white thing on the roof. Once this is worked out, I can go onto doing the roof. I laid a piece of cardstock on the buildings and one piece is all that is required, thank goodness.
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Post by lightning on Aug 26, 2016 6:19:31 GMT -9
I can hear the cantina band already :-)
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 26, 2016 7:19:31 GMT -9
The original music, not the remake...
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Aug 26, 2016 14:00:24 GMT -9
Kinda partial to this version myself...
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