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Post by jeffgeorge on Jan 22, 2017 19:16:49 GMT -9
Yep, that contact cement looks like it'll work. The stuff I used was stinky and came in a tube, and I can't remember the brand. It was something I picked up from a local store. If memory serves, bookbinders normally use a different formulation of PVA than what you get with craft glue, and that violated my "must be something you can source at your local Walmart" rule, so I went with the other alternative that some bookbinders use (the contact cement). The binder clips and rulers are another bookbinder trick for when you don't have an actual book press handy, and those are readily available at office supply stores and Walmart. I've built my own book press out of wood and bolts, but that's a bit much to ask of the end user, so I went with the simpler and more accessible rulers-binder-clips-contact cement method. Another thing I'm a fan of when I'm in a hurry are ZipBind spines--I had a little Proclick machine that punched out the holes, and I'd snip the spines flush to fit smaller pages. They're great for things you want to lay flat and don't look too chintzy. Thanks for the response, Chris (Christopher?) After I got done posting last night, I was too jazzed from the book binding videos to sleep until I tried it myself, so I printed out the Guncrawl rule book and gave it a go with glue that I had on hand. My choices were Elmer's Glue-All and Aleene's Tacky, and I picked Aleene's, thinking it would dry quicker and warp or wrinkle less. The book basically worked, but in retrospect I should have gone with the Elmer's. The Aleene's is so tacky and starts to set so quickly, it began to set and lump up before I could get a smooth, even coat on the spine. So, my finished book is strong, and the pages are easy to turn and read, but the spine isn't perfectly smooth. I think if I'd used two or three coats of Elmers--which is 'looser,' wetter, and slower to dry--I'd have had more time to smooth out the glue before it started to set. That way, though my drying times might have been longer, the spine probably would have been smoother. I didn't have two metal rulers, so I used a pair of thin CD jewelcases to make my press. It looked funny, but because the book is so small it worked. Despite all the compromises and improvisations I made, I'm pretty amazed with the result. I'll post a pick next time I have my camera out at the desk. I totally understand making local sourcing a priority for one-off hobby projects. Personally, I can tell that book binding is something I'm going to fiddle with more going forward, though, so I'm going to experiment with various glue options, including contact cement and Elmers, as well as try to track down the book binder's PVA you refer to. I'm also going to make myself a couple of book presses. That's an easy project with applications in papercraft far beyond book binding. Regarding spiral binders, I've had one for more than 20 years, but it finally broke on my a year or so ago, and I haven't replaced it. I used it in the 90s to bind player's handbooks and rules summaries for campaigns I ran, among other things. Spiral binding is fast and durable, and once you've bought the equipment, very inexpensive...but a new spriral binding set-up isn't my top wish at the moment. I mean, as cheesy and imperfect as this Guncrawl rulebook that I bound last night is, it's still really cool, and I want to do more of this and get better at it. I'll start a new thread for my bookbinding adventures once I get going, tho, and stop high-jacking yours. Thanks for inspiring me to get started on this!
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Post by jeffgeorge on Jan 22, 2017 19:49:11 GMT -9
Thread drift I know, but I'm surprised about that: PVA dries hard, and I thought it would crack. I've only ever made one book, but because I couldn'd get any gum arabic, I stitched the pages together. It seems that though PVA dries solid and "hard" in the sense that it's not very compressible, it doesn't end up being rigid or brittle. The PVA-glued spine in the Guncrawl book I made last night bends quite a bit without breaking, but the two thin coats I painted on the edge of the pages in the spine seem to hold the pages despite a surprising degree of abuse. I've already applied more punishment to this little book I made than I ever would on purpose to a book I paid money for, and it's holding up amazingly well. I've bent it way backwards while reading it, and held single pages while waving the book around in the air like it was on fire, but I haven't been able to make a page fall out yet, or damage the spine in any serious way. I'm pretty sure the glue is much stronger than the paper it's sticking together, which is as strong as it needs to be.
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Post by alloydog on Jan 23, 2017 6:41:05 GMT -9
I'll have to give it a bash sometime. Thanks!
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 23, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -9
Start to makeing this and cant stop lol:
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 26, 2017 6:24:53 GMT -9
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 26, 2017 7:16:14 GMT -9
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 26, 2017 8:14:13 GMT -9
Oh yes that a great idea and it make them much simle and matching flat look of terra soldier. Make them more sturdy and no problem with baseing too. Next I make your way ☺ I notice that your terra soldier have diffrent colour that my. Is that some mod or other version?
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Post by uptrainfan89 on Jan 26, 2017 13:03:12 GMT -9
That's a pretty neat idea!
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2017 13:27:46 GMT -9
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 26, 2017 13:33:58 GMT -9
Oh yes that a great idea and it make them much simle and matching flat look of terra soldier. Make them more sturdy and no problem with baseing too. Next I make your way ☺ I notice that your terra soldier have diffrent colour that my. Is that some mod or other version? There are several different mods out there for the basic sets. I have the originals from onemonk and then I also have the ones that came with the guncrawl download. That may be the difference you are seeing between the coloration. I also printed my TF figures from a laser printer, so they may be a bit brighter or sharper than ones printed from an inkjet printer.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 26, 2017 13:36:00 GMT -9
wow look nice but I get an error trying to click on them to download. They have nice colours. My are mostly grey
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2017 19:15:59 GMT -9
It should re-direct you to the RPGNow site for purchase
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 26, 2017 20:00:17 GMT -9
It not redirect but error page. Maybe something with my internet provider or other problem. Anyway i already print a lot of guncrawl edition of them and need to cut them like 15 more lol. I print them on 120gm2 paper and glue 2 pages together so figure have 0.6mm and it is good for cutting. One page was to thin and usuing cardboard 1mm it was to sturdy and hard to cut. I need to make aliens too but I am not sure about Guncrawl aliens. I make 2 of them and look funny and pet like. My cats are more scary lol. Finish first team of regular Terra Force Soldiers. Bases are temporary make with sponge, cant decide what texture and shape to use for bases.
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 29, 2017 10:46:10 GMT -9
I found an easy solution for my xeno's figures problem. Google "Frag Bug Hunt" and there is a pdf of "aliens" that will go well with the game. The only thing negative I have to say about those figs, is that the front and back don't quite match up sometimes, so they are going to have to be white outlined instead of neatly trimmed. I can live with that.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 29, 2017 13:00:48 GMT -9
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 29, 2017 21:12:12 GMT -9
Those are nice looking minis. I think that they would be just the right size for Gun Crawl. The xenos have to be bigger than the TF soldiers, or they won't be taken seriously.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 30, 2017 6:31:22 GMT -9
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 30, 2017 7:03:42 GMT -9
here in a group. Trim base line a litle and they fit in to 25mm bases. Now my terra soldiers have something to scare of
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Post by whisper31 on Jan 31, 2017 10:26:35 GMT -9
Anyone color this one? There are scouts and snipers I find it when I make some cleaning in my comp. Must be some forgotten project. I do happen to have this one colored. I can't let you have it unfortunately, since it is still pay-for material. But I do have them done for you to see somewhere. I'll see if I can locate them and show you pics of what they are.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 31, 2017 11:38:36 GMT -9
Ps: for admin:if file I post is pay for please delete my post and following. I have no way of knowing what free and what not
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Post by squirmydad on Jan 31, 2017 11:40:26 GMT -9
Links removed. Those were from a paid set and I added the uncolred versions to the set at the request of customers wishing to do their own modifications.
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Post by squirmydad on Jan 31, 2017 11:43:27 GMT -9
Ps: for admin:if file I post is pay for please delete my post and following. I have no way of knowing what free and what not You can try asking before posting links in three different threads, that always helps.
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Post by radoslawkamil on Jan 31, 2017 12:04:35 GMT -9
I am sorry. I have that set in one folder. Probably buy it long time ago. Now i have mix up all terra in one place.
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Post by whisper31 on Feb 4, 2017 23:23:53 GMT -9
I've taken a little liberty with Gun Crawl here and created a couple of tuckboxes for the cards that the game uses. I hope you don't mind, Christopher Roe. I'll see if I can upload them here since I don't have a dropbox or anything like that. Gear-Attack_Tuckbox.pdf (200.85 KB) Room-Figure_tuckbox.pdf (235.39 KB) These tuckboxes fit all of the cards used in the basic game plus the ones used in Bug Hunt. Hope you can find them useful.
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Post by whisper31 on Feb 9, 2017 7:23:41 GMT -9
Finally got it all done!!! You'll have to excuse the bit of blurriness of the pictures, since I am not a professional photographer, all I have to use is my phone. (Now that I think about it, maybe I can use some of the equipment from the TV station I work at to make better ones. Hmmmmmm.... got to talk to a photog there about it.) Here is the whole set in one photo. Gear/Attack Cards and Tuckbox Room/Figure Cards and Tuckbox Xenos that I chose to use with lightning's bases using the bloody sci-fi texture found on the downloads page. The lonely little set of TF miniatures again on the bloody sci-fi lightning base. The flamer tokens using lightning's base with a fire texture that I found online. The rule book with the (not quite so) perfect binding method. I used rubber cement for it since I didn't have any contact cement, but I will probably redo the whole thing better when I pick up some contact cement. Doorways and doors Room and corridor tiles. Player mats. I'm thinking I may make 2 more of them to allow 6 players to play at the same time. Game box and a little storage box I found at my local Big Box store for $.88 to store my flats and tokens. Speaking of which... The Ammo, Trauma, Luck, and Map Tokens The Bug Hunt Mission Book. I'm not happy with the way this turned out using cardstock, so I am going to redo it on copy paper and then I can glue the page backs together to make it a little easier to fold and open. I haven't had a chance to play with this solo as of yet, but when I do, I will take a good deal of pics and let y'all see the game in action. Hope you liked this as much as I did making it!!!
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Post by cowboyleland on Feb 9, 2017 19:13:17 GMT -9
Wow, that is a tone of work. Congratulations getting it all done and happy gaming!!!!
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2017 19:19:41 GMT -9
At Michael's and Hobby Lobby, they have little clear ziplock bags that I use to store my figures. They come in many sizes and would work well for your flats and tokens, keeping the $.88 box nice, neat and tidy.
Looks really good
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Post by yifferman on Feb 23, 2017 12:40:34 GMT -9
congratulations, i need do something similar someday
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Post by BigJuju on Jul 24, 2019 9:25:48 GMT -9
Lots of great minis there! Thanks for the link!
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