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Post by mesper on Feb 23, 2017 19:13:15 GMT -9
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Post by Rhannon on Feb 24, 2017 3:17:04 GMT -9
... " ... PLUS - Exclusive Bundle Bonus: 2D Scenery and Props Miniset ... " ... And now? Is there a reduced/scalar price bundle for those who have already purchased these sets?
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Post by mesper on Feb 24, 2017 6:27:29 GMT -9
... " ... PLUS - Exclusive Bundle Bonus: 2D Scenery and Props Miniset ... " ... And now? Is there a reduced/scalar price bundle for those who have already purchased these sets? Well, that's good and fair question! But then while I'd like to, I haven't clue how to do it. Basic idea was to add some sort of incentive and boost sales of whole line-up of Egyptian sub-series, and that's my first attempt to do something like this (apart from just setting compelling price level) - so perhaps I screw up things, but still, not sure how to proceed is such case (again - I'm talking about whole sub-series, not just upgrade for one set). Now I got feeling that this bonus could disappointed some of previous customers, which clearly wasn't my intention! Then of course I can set up a new bundle with even lower price for those who already bought all included single-issues - but there is no way for me how to select/pick such users - OBS is not providing such tools. All I can do is send so called complimentary copies - but recipients must be entered manually (and then again, I have no data who and what exactly owns). There is an email to customers tool, which provides possibility to build some sort of recipients list based on simple structure: customers who bought selected product and then 3 additional choices: and, or, none (each x3) - so not useful in case of bundles bigger than 3-4 products. Not to mention that some users didn't accept/enable receiving emails. Well it would (from publisher POV) make sense to send such a-mail for those who bought not full line-up but let's say just 1 or 2 issues/sets - to inform them and encourage then to buy other/missed sets. But such actions would need more than one special/dedicated email to some users (in many cases there would be couple emails sent within one day, which might be in some cases taken as simply spam - so I'd not be surprised if such customers would treat checked publisher as unwanted/spammer - so publisher would lost possibility to send "regular" info about new sets etc.) So even if I'd decide to prepare some special sets, devote some additional time and effort, there is no straightforward and satisfying for all solution - or at least I'm not aware of such one. All I can do for now is to sent some complimentary copies to couple customers I personally know and have emails (based solely on good will and trust, without any knowledge if they bought all sets or just 1 or 2) - but that's some sort of patch not a sensible and viable long term solution. Anyway, I'll keep this issue in mind, perhaps will try to contact with OBS support with some ideas or questions - so hopefully eventually some sort of conclusion or even working solution could be developed.
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Post by mesper on Feb 24, 2017 8:05:17 GMT -9
Once more regarding Rhannon 's post - FREE Egyptian Props BONUS PAGEThese props are derivatives but DIFFERENT from Bundle Exclusive Bonus ones (so now those who bought bundle and don't knows about CWF could be disappointed...?! Anyway, here's low-res preview. Full-blown 300dpi PDF sheet can be downloaded from mine's KartonoweFigurki website: Egyptians FREE Props Bonus Page - Direct Download Link...Preview: Hope you'll enjoy!
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Post by Rhannon on Feb 24, 2017 10:28:20 GMT -9
... " ... PLUS - Exclusive Bundle Bonus: 2D Scenery and Props Miniset ... " ... And now? Is there a reduced/scalar price bundle for those who have already purchased these sets? Well, that's good and fair question! But then while I'd like to, I haven't clue how to do it. Basic idea was to add some sort of incentive and boost sales of whole line-up of Egyptian sub-series, and that's my first attempt to do something like this (apart from just setting compelling price level) - so perhaps I screw up things, but still, not sure how to proceed is such case (again - I'm talking about whole sub-series, not just upgrade for one set). Now I got feeling that this bonus could disappointed some of previous customers, which clearly wasn't my intention! Then of course I can set up a new bundle with even lower price for those who already bought all included single-issues - but there is no way for me how to select/pick such users - OBS is not providing such tools. All I can do is send so called complimentary copies - but recipients must be entered manually (and then again, I have no data who and what exactly owns). There is an email to customers tool, which provides possibility to build some sort of recipients list based on simple structure: customers who bought selected product and then 3 additional choices: and, or, none (each x3) - so not useful in case of bundles bigger than 3-4 products. Not to mention that some users didn't accept/enable receiving emails. Well it would (from publisher POV) make sense to send such a-mail for those who bought not full line-up but let's say just 1 or 2 issues/sets - to inform them and encourage then to buy other/missed sets. But such actions would need more than one special/dedicated email to some users (in many cases there would be couple emails sent within one day, which might be in some cases taken as simply spam - so I'd not be surprised if such customers would treat checked publisher as unwanted/spammer - so publisher would lost possibility to send "regular" info about new sets etc.) So even if I'd decide to prepare some special sets, devote some additional time and effort, there is no straightforward and satisfying for all solution - or at least I'm not aware of such one. All I can do for now is to sent some complimentary copies to couple customers I personally know and have emails (based solely on good will and trust, without any knowledge if they bought all sets or just 1 or 2) - but that's some sort of patch not a sensible and viable long term solution. Anyway, I'll keep this issue in mind, perhaps will try to contact with OBS support with some ideas or questions - so hopefully eventually some sort of conclusion or even working solution could be developed. Hi buddy, don't worry. Mine was a joke primarily. But if you like a technical advice I know that there is the possibility of decreasing the bundle's cost if some parts have already been purchased. Papierschnitzel ( lightning ) has used this system hereI have already bought all three bundled products. So I get this written: " Previous purchaser $9.95 discount included. What's this? You already own some contents of this bundle so we are reducing the price accordingly." I hope this helps. For my part I thank you very much for the link. But I still prefer to buy the bundle. My aim is to support some indie producers. You are among those obviously.
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Post by Rhannon on Feb 24, 2017 10:42:41 GMT -9
Update: Your bundle works as that of Papierschnitzel.
I have just paid zero dollars for it because I had already purchased the four main products.
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Post by wyvern on Feb 24, 2017 11:21:20 GMT -9
And some of us are still eagerly anticipating the similar sets and bundle for the Hittite armies to battle against the Egyptians, of course
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Post by bravesirkevin on Feb 24, 2017 12:07:01 GMT -9
Bundles are generally intended for customers who are discovering you for the first time... The idea is to encourage them to take a whole bunch of your stock at once instead of just taking the single pack that they stumbled across, so in most cases you wouldn't really get folks buying bundles if they've already got most of what's in there...
However, this does raise an interesting point... if the bundle price is automatically reduced because some products in it have already been purchased then the way you're pricing the bundles might be a problem. You've made all the products in your bundle free, except the one which you've set a $5.99. So if the purchaser already has the $5.99 one, then they might be getting the bundle for free, and if they have everything except the $5.99 one, then they might not be getting a discount at all.
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Post by mesper on Feb 24, 2017 13:43:52 GMT -9
Bundles are generally intended for customers who are discovering you for the first time... The idea is to encourage them to take a whole bunch of your stock at once instead of just taking the single pack that they stumbled across, so in most cases you wouldn't really get folks buying bundles if they've already got most of what's in there... Yep! Fully agreed However, this does raise an interesting point... if the bundle price is automatically reduced because some products in it have already been purchased then the way you're pricing the bundles might be a problem. You've made all the products in your bundle free, except the one which you've set a $5.99. So if the purchaser already has the $5.99 one, then they might be getting the bundle for free, and if they have everything except the $5.99 one, then they might not be getting a discount at all. WAIT? Are you sure?!? Actually that might be exactly the case... I was convinced that the listed "bundle price" is firm and minimum price for a whole bundle (all sets combined) except specific situation described by Rhannon , regardless of the price-tag I've ascribed / set for each product (obviously it simpler to set-up whole bundle price for let's say 1st product and then skip (set to 0) all the others instead calculate some % discount for each one separately) Nah... there must be some sort of misunderstanding (and... most probably from my side:), I believe... So perhaps I should RTFM* again or... just kinda "rage-quit" the whole OBS stuff which... might seem as (at this point, BTW not only because "bundle issue"...) the right solution, assuming what you are saying and what I've understood(?!) is right.
*Well, I have, obviously - at the start, couple years ago, perhaps there was some changes I didn't noticed or understood (but they at OBS should be aware that there are some non-English speakers/"barbarians" within not only customers but also publishers, so rules should be more-or-less written in plain language) Then (unfortunately?) I've joined OBS GM's DAY sales (which means ca. 40% discount for everything)... now guess what happens?!? LOL Happily we are talking here about some sort of "pizza money"
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Post by lightning on Feb 25, 2017 0:37:02 GMT -9
I just go sucked into this thread because I was tagged :-) So now I know who the one buyer of the bundle is!!! Thx :-)
It seems one has to study higher math to understand the pricing logic of these bundles. Good to know before I make an bundle of the Samurai stuff ...
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Post by Rhannon on Feb 25, 2017 1:24:45 GMT -9
I just go sucked into this thread because I was tagged :-) ... Sorry.
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Post by Rhannon on Feb 25, 2017 1:39:44 GMT -9
mesperHi Przemek, I will reply to your beautiful and interesting email as soon as possible. I promise! In the meantime ... ( from your mail ) " ... unfortunatelly OBS doesnโt provide such/proper tools ... " ... Fortunately OBS can provide such/proper tools. As I have already said I tried to buy your last bundle and my cost was equal to zero ( I had already bought all the payment products in the bundle ) and I was able to download the exclusive product for free. So it seems that OBS has an option that allows you to lower the bundle costs when some products have already been purchased. I don't know whether it is automatic or you had to choose this option. About the other topics I will answer you privately. But in general I think that you have already a lot of resources ( many still unused ), many new potential and that OBS can help even more. But we will talk about soon. Have a good day, friend. Ciao!
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Post by lightning on Feb 25, 2017 3:02:21 GMT -9
I just go sucked into this thread because I was tagged :-) ... Sorry. No problem. I enjoy being sucked in here My life is a little overfocused on my paper models that I tend to loose sight of everything else going on. I just phrased it that way to explain why I am sooo late to reply to this thread. It's an interesting topic. Will follow it!!!
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Post by wyvern on Feb 25, 2017 10:33:46 GMT -9
There's definitely a degree of mystery about how OBS handles bundle pricing. I've found the same as others have mentioned here, that when checking-out a bundle price from which I already have one or more items, I get a further reduction noted - so in other words, I'm not paying for the item(s) I already own again. I suspect that if you're logged-in to whichever part of OBS you're on, because the system automatically flags up every product you've bought from them, that this too is probably an automatic system, because it recognises which products you already own.
However, I mentioned some time ago elsewhere on the CWF, during the Winter Offensive Sale on Wargame Vault this year, SkeletonKey Games were discounting many individual items, but several of their bundle prices were no longer discounted at all. And checking again today, that's still the case. Yet weirdly, the text on the page tells you both the full and discounted prices, with the percentage you're saving. Only the price you'll pay is the full one shown at the top of the page!
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Post by bravesirkevin on Feb 25, 2017 13:21:14 GMT -9
There's definitely a degree of mystery about how OBS handles bundle pricing. I've found the same as others have mentioned here, that when checking-out a bundle price from which I already have one or more items, I get a further reduction noted - so in other words, I'm not paying for the item(s) I already own again. I suspect that if you're logged-in to whichever part of OBS you're on, because the system automatically flags up every product you've bought from them, that this too is probably an automatic system, because it recognises which products you already own. However, I mentioned some time ago elsewhere on the CWF, during the Winter Offensive Sale on Wargame Vault this year, SkeletonKey Games were discounting many individual items, but several of their bundle prices were no longer discounted at all. And checking again today, that's still the case. Yet weirdly, the text on the page tells you both the full and discounted prices, with the percentage you're saving. Only the price you'll pay is the full one shown at the top of the page! OBS doesn't dynamically price the bundles... When a publisher sets up the bundle, they have to manually list a bundle price for each item, so the discount is kinda baked in. It might be that they chose to exclude the bundle from the sale in order to encourage folks to buy the individual items which were only discounted once, and the automation over at OBS didn't know how to handle the scenario properly.
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