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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 25, 2017 11:10:48 GMT -9
I have been following this site for a while: Fist Full of SeamenThey do huge pirate themed games with great terrain and some really good ship models. So....I was thinking a few 1700-1800-ish paper model ships might be cool. A day of goofing around on sketchup gave me this (very) initial concept.... hms pickle04 by grendels_mother64, on Flickr hms pickle01 by grendels_mother64, on Flickr So who knows what might turn up in the near future....? GM64
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Post by shep on Aug 26, 2017 2:03:03 GMT -9
For use in massive naval battles or for use with 30mm minis?
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 26, 2017 6:54:22 GMT -9
For use in massive naval battles or for use with 30mm minis? Was thinking 30mm. But if you check out Fist Full of Seamen....what they do is kind of a combination of both.... FIst Full of Seamen AdepticonGM64
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Post by shep on Aug 26, 2017 7:05:08 GMT -9
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Post by cowboycentaur on Aug 26, 2017 10:06:37 GMT -9
Nice!! I love building me some ships!!! I'm always looking for more to make
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 27, 2017 13:42:18 GMT -9
So here's the first little bit. One of the ship's cannons. cannon_test_01 by grendels_mother64, on Flickr It's not fully textured yet, but does anyone want to do a test build....make sure everything fits and isn't too small or fiddly...? Here's a PDF: Royal Navy Cannon Test. (link deleted.....upload the textured version a couple of posts below...) Any takers...? GM64
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 27, 2017 16:33:47 GMT -9
No time right now, but it all looks correct
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 28, 2017 7:14:52 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 28, 2017 7:45:30 GMT -9
Something like this base is what I had envisioned for an off-loading ramp for Eric's steamlaunch
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 28, 2017 8:04:36 GMT -9
Something like this base is what I had envisioned for an off-loading ramp for Eric's steamlaunch Like airplane stairs: ??
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 28, 2017 8:13:29 GMT -9
Except, I was going to do a ramp rather than stairs. I don't think all passengers would want to negotiate a rope ladder, plus it would give me something else to sit on the landing platform
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Post by soaringraven on Aug 28, 2017 14:24:20 GMT -9
I'm still quite busy with our other projects for the Papercuts 2017 but I couldn't resist trying my hand at this beauty. Let's have a look: The gun carriage was easy to assemble. The problem was the gun barrel. I use rather heavy cardstock for my builds (220 g/m²) and that makes rolling bits always a bit difficult, especially when they are not straight cylinders, but rather cones. The conical part at the end of the barrel was not a problem, but assembling the barrel as a whole was anything but easy. It felt like something between rolling a cigarette (ex-smoker here, thankfully clean for 5 years now) and amateur pottery. The problem wasn't only in rolling the barrel but also in keeping the tabs of the back cap and the muzzle plate inside the cylinder. I'm sure its easier with paper or light cardstock. Also, the glue tabs were so long and wide that it wasn't possible to get the capping pieces rounded smoothly. When we take a view at the bottom the source of the problem becomes apparent: the cyclinder isn't wide enough to accomodate all the glue tabs and the front and back pieces, at least when you use heavy cardstock. The conclusions from my experimental build would be the following: - widen the gun barrel piece a bit - don't design the barrel as a single piece: move the tabs from the cap and the round front piece to the barrel piece and have the cap and round piece separate from the barrel. This allows you to roll the barrel more easily and then add the front and back pieces once the glue has set on the barrel. Shorten the tabs and place more of them along the edge of the barrel piece in an saw-tooth pattern. - extend the texture into the glue tabs. This saves a lot of edging work. I hope you'll take my criticisms in the friendly manner they are meant to. I like the general look of the cannon a lot. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that it's really great you're back at designing papercraft models. I really like your older models, especially the viking ships, and I'm looking forward to your pirate ship models.
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 28, 2017 14:51:04 GMT -9
I'm still quite busy with our other projects for the Papercuts 2017 but I couldn't resist trying my hand at this beauty. Let's have a look: The gun carriage was easy to assemble. The problem was the gun barrel. I use rather heavy cardstock for my builds (220 g/m²) and that makes rolling bits always a bit difficult, especially when they are not straight cylinders, but rather cones. The conical part at the end of the barrel was not a problem, but assembling the barrel as a whole was anything but easy. It felt like something between rolling a cigarette (ex-smoker here, thankfully clean for 5 years now) and amateur pottery. The problem wasn't only in rolling the barrel but also in keeping the tabs of the back cap and the muzzle plate inside the cylinder. I'm sure its easier with paper or light cardstock. Also, the glue tabs were so long and wide that it wasn't possible to get the capping pieces rounded smoothly. When we take a view at the bottom the source of the problem becomes apparent: the cyclinder isn't wide enough to accomodate all the glue tabs and the front and back pieces, at least when you use heavy cardstock. The conclusions from my experimental build would be the following: - widen the gun barrel piece a bit - don't design the barrel as a single piece: move the tabs from the cap and the round front piece to the barrel piece and have the cap and round piece separate from the barrel. This allows you to roll the barrel more easily and then add the front and back pieces once the glue has set on the barrel. Shorten the tabs and place more of them along the edge of the barrel piece in an saw-tooth pattern. - extend the texture into the glue tabs. This saves a lot of edging work. I hope you'll take my criticisms in the friendly manner they are meant to. I like the general look of the cannon a lot. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that it's really great you're back at designing papercraft models. I really like your older models, especially the viking ships, and I'm looking forward to your pirate ship models. Cool, I kinda knew the cannon itself would be pretty fiddly. I was thinking the tabs along the long edge would glue to the inside (a bit tricky, but should be do-able with toothpick or some long skinny pliers). Then the ends tabs could be folded inside...they wouldn't need too much to stick, as they aren't really structural. I think you're right though, they might be easier as separate pieces....and maybe a fraction smaller. I'd leave the tabs long though....better chance for something to stick when you shove them in the cylinder.... Great job though soaringraven. It's always cool to see my stuff get made. Thanks for the input...look for version 2.2 up soon.... GM64
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 28, 2017 15:46:54 GMT -9
If I might make another suggestion, which goes along with the previous comment about the tabs interfering with each other. I was planning on moving the barrel end tabs to the barrel, allowing the end caps to just glue onto the those tabs. I am on a time crunch or I'd show you what I meant. I should be able to work it up tomorrow night. EDIT-- Okay, not pretty, but try this. Should be easier to build I hope I am not overstepping in posting this, but it sometimes is easier to illustrate than to explain
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 29, 2017 7:29:24 GMT -9
If I might make another suggestion, which goes along with the previous comment about the tabs interfering with each other. I was planning on moving the barrel end tabs to the barrel, allowing the end caps to just glue onto the those tabs. I am on a time crunch or I'd show you what I meant. I should be able to work it up tomorrow night. EDIT-- Okay, not pretty, but try this. Should be easier to build I hope I am not overstepping in posting this, but it sometimes is easier to illustrate than to explain Duh.... Nope, you are exactly correct. This makes much more sense. Thanks for the input....on to the next revision.... GM64
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 29, 2017 19:08:00 GMT -9
Done: Royal Navy Cannons by grendels_mother64, on Flickr I think this solves the build issues. And I've up the texture a little as well. Thanks for the input. Here's the link to the printable one page PDF: Royal Navy CannonsGM64 EDIT: I decided to go back a texture version and add the cannon without a rope to the file....so now there are two versions on the one page....
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Post by soaringraven on Aug 30, 2017 2:02:12 GMT -9
Looks fine to me. I can do another test-build if you want to, but only after the Papercuts are done. Just one more thing I had wondered at - why did you put two glue tabs along the length of the barrel instead of one - just curious.
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Aug 30, 2017 7:21:54 GMT -9
Looks fine to me. I can do another test-build if you want to, but only after the Papercuts are done. Just one more thing I had wondered at - why did you put two glue tabs along the length of the barrel instead of one - just curious. I was thinking it would be easier to glue down by reaching in with a toothpick from either end. I guess it doesn't matter. You could always cut it as one piece.... GM64
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Post by grendelsmother64 on Sept 3, 2017 8:34:48 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Sept 4, 2017 11:46:42 GMT -9
I was noticing in a historical show on Henry VIII, that on one of his southern channel-facing fortresses, this type of cannon was used (or put there at a later date). I've learned not to completely trust 'historically accurate representations'
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Post by cowboycentaur on May 21, 2018 17:31:39 GMT -9
im curious as to how the ship was coming
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Post by grendelsmother64 on May 22, 2018 15:19:05 GMT -9
im curious as to how the ship was coming Unfortunately, that was one dead laptop ago. I'm not really smart enough to back-up all my stuff online somewhere. Although, this is a longterm plan....we'll see how busy I get over the summer. Shawn, GM64
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Post by Vermin King on May 22, 2018 15:31:31 GMT -9
im curious as to how the ship was coming Unfortunately, that was one dead laptop ago. I'm not really smart enough to back-up all my stuff online somewhere. Although, this is a longterm plan....we'll see how busy I get over the summer. Shawn, GM64 Crud, did the Victorian Tenements die, too?
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Post by grendelsmother64 on May 22, 2018 15:48:38 GMT -9
Unfortunately, that was one dead laptop ago. I'm not really smart enough to back-up all my stuff online somewhere. Although, this is a longterm plan....we'll see how busy I get over the summer. Shawn, GM64 Crud, did the Victorian Tenements die, too? No...I've still got that stuff on a jump drive somewhere. I really should take a few days and actually finish something, huh...? Shawn GM64
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Post by Vermin King on May 22, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -9
I'm the last person to suggest finishing something these days.
If you'd be interested in finishing any of my projects, I could send you a whole passel of unfinished stuff
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Post by lightning on May 31, 2018 21:41:49 GMT -9
WOW! Just discovered this thread here. I am also working on a ship line. Saw some pirate movies this spring and also saw the impressive looking promos of the Pirate computer game (forgot the name again) which got me inspired. I made some cannons but I like yours in terms of easy of build and good looks. Wish I had seen this before :-)
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Post by jeffgeorge on Jun 1, 2018 8:26:31 GMT -9
WOW! Just discovered this thread here. I am also working on a ship line. Saw some pirate movies this spring and also saw the impressive looking promos of the Pirate computer game (forgot the name again) which got me inspired. I made some cannons but I like yours in terms of easy of build and good looks. Wish I had seen this before :-) Oh, I love me some pirates! There was a little burst of pirate movies in the late 80s (one with Geena Davis, a different one by Roman Polanski, I think a couple more), which totally got me charged for pirate gaming. And I'll keep going to see Pirates of the Caribbean movies as long as they make them, no matter how bad they get! Afterthought: It was actually Tim Power's On Stranger Tides that kicked off my pirate fandom...I was a massive Tim Powers fan back then, and read everything he put out. Disney bought the title from him for the PotC movie (#4, I think?), but I don't think the plot had much or anything to do with the book...although it's been 30 years since I read it. Need to find those old paperbacks...
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Post by lightning on Jun 1, 2018 9:47:10 GMT -9
WOW! Just discovered this thread here. I am also working on a ship line. Saw some pirate movies this spring and also saw the impressive looking promos of the Pirate computer game (forgot the name again) which got me inspired. I made some cannons but I like yours in terms of easy of build and good looks. Wish I had seen this before :-) Oh, I love me some pirates! There was a little burst of pirate movies in the late 80s (one with Geena Davis, a different one by Roman Polanski, I think a couple more), which totally got me charged for pirate gaming. And I'll keep going to see Pirates of the Caribbean movies as long as they make them, no matter how bad they get! Afterthought: It was actually Tim Power's On Stranger Tides that kicked off my pirate fandom...I was a massive Tim Powers fan back then, and read everything he put out. Disney bought the title from him for the PotC movie (#4, I think?), but I don't think the plot had much or anything to do with the book...although it's been 30 years since I read it. Need to find those old paperbacks... I really enjoyed the first PotC movies. Haven't seen the others. But I didn't know about the book. Will give that a try!
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Post by cowboyleland on Jun 1, 2018 17:30:49 GMT -9
I loved the Tim Powers book as well. No, I don't think much of the book made it to the movie, though I forget which movie was which and most of what happened in them anyway. I also liked Tim Powers' "Stress of Her Regard." A friend and I once put a little thought into using a mash up of the two books as a campaign setting. It never came to fruition but I still think the idea has merit.
BTW watching "The Pop-up Channel" on youtube there are several very inspiring pop-up ships...
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Post by jeffgeorge on Jun 6, 2018 2:26:33 GMT -9
I loved the Tim Powers book as well. No, I don't think much of the book made it to the movie, though I forget which movie was which and most of what happened in them anyway. I also liked Tim Powers' "Stress of Her Regard." A friend and I once put a little thought into using a mash up of the two books as a campaign setting. It never came to fruition but I still think the idea has merit. BTW watching "The Pop-up Channel" on youtube there are several very inspiring pop-up ships... I'm amazed that Tim Powers's stuff hasn't infiltrated the tabletop game space to any great degree. He is one of my favorite authors of all time. His stories are all well-grounded in real-world history, but give everything a really plausible fantastic spin. As I recall, "Anubis Gate" would have great rpg campaign potential, too.
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