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Post by okumarts on Dec 17, 2017 19:31:35 GMT -9
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Post by shep on Dec 17, 2017 23:48:35 GMT -9
So, you're dabbling into German now, huh? "Beinhaltet mehr Kinder" is okay, but "Beinhaltet weitere Kinder" would be more correct for "includes more children"...  Other than that, a nice idea and great set. Will most likely get it...  E D I T: Got it! ^^ |
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Post by okumarts on Dec 18, 2017 4:23:51 GMT -9
My German comes from my maternal grandparents (Strauss). I can switch it up for "weitere" today. Thanks! I thought I had it. This is ME as Krampus two years ago. This year I was St. Nicholas.  |
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Post by okumarts on Dec 18, 2017 4:37:30 GMT -9
This should about do it.  |
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Post by shep on Dec 18, 2017 8:39:56 GMT -9
My German comes from my maternal grandparents (Strauss). I can switch it up for "weitere" today. Thanks! I thought I had it. This is ME as Krampus two years ago. This year I was St. Nicholas. Haha...  You look more like a christmas orc than Krampus. Btw. Krampus is a southern German thing, esp. in Bavaria and in the Alpes region. Along the river Rhine we have the tradition of Knecht Ruprecht as St. Nick's companion. Knecht Ruprecht very much resembles a medieval charcoal burner, all dark and dusty from the charcoal and grime. He's the one to frighten and punish the bad children. There's also the tradition to polish your shoes and put them outside the door on St. Nicholas Day. St. Nick will leave some nice treats and chocolate in the shoes of the nice children, while Knecht Ruprecht will put a lump of coal in the shoes of the bad one's... So, how much German is there in Mr. Okum? Ich schätze mal, es reicht nicht für eine Unterhaltung? |
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Post by okumarts on Dec 18, 2017 10:30:36 GMT -9
I can't really understand much or carry a conversation, but like I said, my grandparents spoke German. My dad's DNA reaches back to this particular cave in Lictenstein. My late bronze age ancestors were found in this cave. sites.google.com/site/haplogroupil38/on-the-lichtenstein-cave It's a VERY RARE DNA type. I think only 6% of Germans in northern Germany have that DNA. My mom's DNA is actually found mostly in populations of Basque people. So yeah... DNA can be surprising. |
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Post by Vermin King on Dec 18, 2017 11:52:34 GMT -9
Well, your comment has me wondering why it could possibly be so rare. On that map, it looks like the trait has been found over a fairly wide area. And going from the Bronze Age, the trait had plenty of time to spread. Do folks with this marker tend to have small families, tend to be in dangerous professions, did they almost get wiped out at one time? Opens up a lot of questions.
My DNA had surprises, too. The family name I carry is Scottish-English. Our home turf is on the border of Scotland and England. The first person carrying that name was a German mercenary who was awarded the name and lands for his service to an English king. There is also a considerable German heritage on my mom's side, so we have German, Scottish and English as the bulk. The only odd thing we found is that when Great Grandpa married a gal from the Cherokee reservation, she must not have been Cherokee. No Cherokee traits in the DNA. Hmmm
EDIT -- sorry for the digression
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Post by Dominic on Dec 18, 2017 23:56:19 GMT -9
Perchten, now a Krampus - I love it! I need to put them in a game soon...
Actually, around here (Bavaria, incidentally), Krampus is just another name for Knecht Ruprecht, the companion of St. Nick who carries the bag of presents. The punishment aspect has been sorely neglected in recent years, and yes, rightly so. I do like how the mythology changes over the years and decades. Makes me wonder how the stories about Perchten have changed.
While we are digressing, there is a local Perchten-group, and they do their thing (putting on a show) at the local christmas fair every year. The story they tell is that the forces of evil conspire to steal St. Nick's presents for the kids with the help of witches. Then, a wise woman summons St. Nick's Perchten to get them back. I find it interesting that the Perchten are now the good guys (and gals), while a few years back they had good and back ones have at each other. But maybe these changes in what might in a few years be folklore are not as interesting as I think they are...
They did have cool pyroeffects this year, though. I need to find some pictures if anyone is interested in completely derailing the topic...
A DNA-analysis would be interesting, but despite hearing a lot about the services available in the US, I have not seen that being offered over here. Maybe it is a law thing, which would not surprise me at all.
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Post by shep on Dec 19, 2017 2:41:07 GMT -9
I can't really understand much or carry a conversation, but like I said, my grandparents spoke German. My dad's DNA reaches back to this particular cave in Lictenstein. My late bronze age ancestors were found in this cave. sites.google.com/site/haplogroupil38/on-the-lichtenstein-cave It's a VERY RARE DNA type. I think only 6% of Germans in northern Germany have that DNA. My mom's DNA is actually found mostly in populations of Basque people. So yeah... DNA can be surprising. The Lichtenstein Cave is actually in Saxony and not in the country of Liechtenstein... Yeah, seeing all this in your link and all the videos on the web with people getting their DNA tested for their ancestry, tickles me to get my DNA tested, too. Since I studied history at university, it should come natural to me to see where my roots lie. However, just like Dominic said, it's quite hard to find such service here in Germany, especially if it is supposed to be in any way affordable. There are labs where you can get your DNA tested, but such tests are far beyond my budget. Also, I've read that the results might be much less accurate than services in the US generally promise. In one article about the subject I read that they tend to fill in blanks as they best see fit. So, it might just as well be that the test result is utter bs because they could not get enough detail out of your DNA. However, in my personal case, I guess that they would find out that I'm a mix of people from the area between Cologne (Northrhine-Westphalia) and the Dutch border (which is only about 100 km away) with a few sprinkles from the Wiesbaden (Hesse) area. Basically, my (paternal) family has been living in and around Cologne since forever. I would not be surprised, if I'm a descendant of an Ubii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubii) farmer, or a Roman legionaire who stayed in Cologne after his service time was over. However, with a family name like Müller, which is the thirdmost regular family name in Germany, it is quite hard to track down your ancestry. So far, I got no further than the early 19th century. With my mother's maiden name and especially her mother's maiden name, however, I was able to track back my ancestry along her maternal line to the time around 1420... |
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Post by shep on Dec 19, 2017 3:01:58 GMT -9
Perchten, now a Krampus - I love it! I need to put them in a game soon... Actually, around here (Bavaria, incidentally), Krampus is just another name for Knecht Ruprecht, the companion of St. Nick who carries the bag of presents. The punishment aspect has been sorely neglected in recent years, and yes, rightly so. I do like how the mythology changes over the years and decades. Makes me wonder how the stories about Perchten have changed. While we are digressing, there is a local Perchten-group, and they do their thing (putting on a show) at the local christmas fair every year. The story they tell is that the forces of evil conspire to steal St. Nick's presents for the kids with the help of witches. Then, a wise woman summons St. Nick's Perchten to get them back. I find it interesting that the Perchten are now the good guys (and gals), while a few years back they had good and back ones have at each other. But maybe these changes in what might in a few years be folklore are not as interesting as I think they are... They did have cool pyroeffects this year, though. I need to find some pictures if anyone is interested in completely derailing the topic... A DNA-analysis would be interesting, but despite hearing a lot about the services available in the US, I have not seen that being offered over here. Maybe it is a law thing, which would not surprise me at all. Since Germany has always been a melting pot of regional cultures and traditions, I'm not surprised that there are so many different stories about the entities that acompany St. Nick. When you break it down to the basics, the core of the St. Nick tradition seems to be that there is a benevolent guy who gives presents to the kids that behaved well over the passed year. In christian tradition this is supposed to be St. Nicholas, the archbishop of Nicaea (Turkey), who is also the patron of all sailors. From his name derives the name Santa Claus, who was identified with the British Father Christmas (who traditionally wears green), and dressed in red by Coca Cola... In basic German tradition, St. Nick is acompanied by a dark and most likely evil entity who punishes the bad children. In some regional traditions this entity is called Knecht Ruprecht and mostly looks like a charcoal burner, while in other traditions this is a beastly or demonic creature called Krampus or Perchten. Sometimes he gives the bad kids a lump of coal, sometimes he bashes them with a birch or hasel rod, and sometimes he puts them in his coal sack to drag the into woods or straight to hell. I believe that this duality was invented in ancient times as a tradition to teach children that good deeds will come back to you in form of a reward, while bad deeds never go unpunished. In the early middle ages, these heathen traditions were then taken and modified by the church to further spread chritianity (just like Jesus was not born on christmas, and the easter bunny and his eggs are a reminder that this has been an ancient spring festival before the church pulled it together with the crucification). And today, we are dumbfounded as to where our traditions originally come from, since they have turned into indistinguishable myth and folklore over the past 1200 years... |
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Post by soaringraven on Dec 19, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -9
Just to chime in on this interesting christmas thread - in my neck of the woods, in Upper Bavaria around Munich, the Krampus is traditionally known as 'Klaubauf', which means 'Pick-Up' in English. That's because he picks up the bad children and throws him into the nearest well or river; alternatively they are told that he carries them off into the deep woods to eat them. Ah, traditions, you just have to love them!  |
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Post by okumarts on Dec 19, 2017 7:32:09 GMT -9
I am officially loving this thread!
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Spent two 'fun' hours last night unclogging a heat break tube (the nozzle was a lost cause and replaced). Stupid bowden tube slipped and molten plastic spilled up into the heat break tube and congealed.
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