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Post by creyates on Mar 1, 2018 13:30:46 GMT -9
also I'm curious to know why you prefer the concepts?
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Post by Toman on Mar 1, 2018 14:08:28 GMT -9
I wasn't thinking from a 2.5D aspect so the posses make much more sense.
I guess I just liked the posses you did in the concepts better.
I laminate all my 2D figures so I will need to do these like I did my Ednic figures and use a spray clear coat to protect them.
either way it is looking to be a fantastic set of minis.
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Post by creyates on Mar 10, 2018 21:50:57 GMT -9
Here's the final free version. You can find it over at www.patreon.com/paperarmiesExtra content available to Patrons. Let me know what you think!
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Post by pavaro on Mar 10, 2018 23:43:16 GMT -9
May more figures in this style. In my opinion colorization is very successful. I don't know how these looks after printed but at first glance, they seem good.
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Post by creyates on Mar 11, 2018 8:39:35 GMT -9
Thanks pavaro ! Here's a preview image for the higher tier rewards.
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Post by jeffgeorge on Mar 12, 2018 15:33:27 GMT -9
Phew its been a while! My time's been cut short since I got a new job (corner store to pay the bills). I just released this sneak peek on my Patreon page. So the Northern Clans has turned into Ranehold. These guys are Ranehold heavy infantry. Happy with them so far. Speaking of too much detail how do you guys like the chainmail? They look good but I think the posses are to close to Your goblin posses. I like your concept drawings much better then these but I will definitely be printing them when they're ready anyways. I love your art style, and I can see that you are really dialing in the level of detail appropriate for tabletop minis. That said--and I hadn't noticed this until Toman pointed it out--these poses are pretty generic and similar to one another (one-handed sword held upwards, shield arm held out at elbow level), and very similar to the poses for the 2.5D goblins. If you're planning these to be 2.5D, I suppose you can expect the user to vary the posing a bit by how the arms are bent forward, but for users that prefer true 2D minis (as I usually do), the artist alone is responsible for the posing. So personally, bottom line, I'd really like to see a wider variety of poses. As I said, the quality of the artwork is excellent, and I know from other work you've shown that the coloring is going to be equally awesome. But unless you have a compelling reason--like restrictions imposed by making them 2.5D compatible--I think the collection would be vastly improved by bringing the creativity and variety of poses more into line with the overall quality of the figures. -------------------------------------------------------------- Update: When I wrote the post above, I hadn't seen the finished page of minis yet--I didn't realize the thread had progressed from Toman 's post at the bottom of page 1, which I quoted. So, yeah, now I know the answer to my implied question, whether these were intended as 2D or 2.5D figures, and most of my comment is moot. These figures are particularly well-suited as a cardstock alternative to 3D minis for wargaming, especially for rank-and-flank games like Kings of War (I'm not that up on tabletop wargames, so that's the only game using multiple figures on a single base I could think of quickly). For that purpose, 2.5D figures would work really well. As someone who uses cardstock minis primarily for tabletop RPGs, however, I prefer true 2D, because they store flat, and I can easily carry hundreds or even thousands of minis with me when I go to play anyplace other than my own home. While wargamers only have to carry their own carefully planned army, when I'm bringing minis to a game someone else is GMing, I need to bring everything, since I don't know what the gamemaster is going to need. I'd never really noticed how different the needs of wargamers and roleplayers can be until now. In any case, as shown in your previews in this thread, your finished minis are gorgeous. I wish there was more variety in the posing, but I'm not in your target market, so I'll make the best of the minis as they exist.
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Post by creyates on Mar 14, 2018 6:53:27 GMT -9
jeffgeorge what a great comment! Thank you. You brought up some issues I've been mulling over myself. I was worried about the weakness my minis have vs those designed to be true 2D. I was also worried about storage, and if people would be turned off by having to bend and pose them. However, I started making these because I felt there werent enough paper options designed specifically for wargamers out there, and as you said, I think they work well for that. You're very right about the differences between gamers. I think I'm going to stick to my plan and keep going with 2.5D minis for wargames. Some will be able to fall into both categories, but I won't be worrying about compromising the design to be able to fit them into 2D as well. Thanks again!
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 14, 2018 7:43:46 GMT -9
I am not a wargamer, rp all the way, but I respect you being true to you!
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Post by Toman on Mar 15, 2018 18:54:17 GMT -9
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Post by Toman on Mar 16, 2018 11:29:40 GMT -9
Did these in 2D to see how it would work.
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Post by jeffgeorge on Mar 19, 2018 14:39:21 GMT -9
Did these in 2D to see how it would work. These look really great in 2D. There is a certain sameness in the posing as a by-product of their 2.5D origin, but mixed in among a collection or party of figures from a variety of artists, you'd never notice that on the table. creyates , now that I've seen Toman's finished examples of your minis, I have to say, they are among the nicest 2.5D figures I've seen. I think they'd be great for a miniatures wargame, especially a rank-and-flanker with multiple figures on a single, larger base. I see why you want to keep the flat poses simple for 2.5D, because the variety is going to come into the set in final assembly, as Toman has demonstrated in his gallery post. That said, I do hope that you'll some day do some dedicated, purposely-designed 2D figures, because I really like your artwork, and I'd love to have a bunch of them for my own Northlands campaign. For what it's worth, even though papercraft is a tiny slice of the overall miniatures market, the D&D/RPG audience is considerably larger than the mini wargames audience, so you'd be chasing a tiny slice of a larger (but admittedly still niche!) market...
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Post by creyates on Mar 21, 2018 4:55:34 GMT -9
Thanks again jeffgeorge! I'm happy to hear how much you enjoy my artwork. I understand what you're saying about the market, but I want to give it more time before changing strategies. Hopefully it'll pick up. I have a few different ideas for future projects including some RPG dedicated minis, and some small scale (probably 15mm) mini units for playing with huge armies. Until then, some of my minis will work better in 2D than others. My current upcoming release (archers) happen to be true 2D just because of the nature of the archery stance. I hope you can find a use for them! I will start a new thread on this board for that unit. Thanks Toman for posting those pictures! I'm happy to see them put together I really appreciate the feedback everyone.
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Post by Toman on Mar 21, 2018 16:25:41 GMT -9
Based on penny's.(20mm circles) these are all the shield options, standard bearers and musician, there's also a command figure but I gave him a round shield.
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Post by creyates on Mar 22, 2018 3:44:58 GMT -9
Nice! I think the flocked pennies work wonderfully.
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Post by creyates on Apr 3, 2018 9:20:55 GMT -9
here they are all done up!
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Post by pavaro on Apr 3, 2018 20:07:46 GMT -9
It looks crazy!
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Post by Toman on Aug 5, 2018 18:51:05 GMT -9
Modded a page using spears from the mounted house guard set And modded a page to have both weapon options on each figure.
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Post by Toman on Aug 6, 2018 16:26:59 GMT -9
Had a bit of fun while modding. was looking at my plastic sprues of miniatures and thought, I wonder if I can set these up like a sprue of plastics. I even went one further when building the figures and didn't glue the hands so I can make them removable.
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