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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 0:01:37 GMT -9
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 0:54:33 GMT -9
here s a map of my immaginary world .... take a look guys and the base map if you want to make your variant i hope to see some reply and your ideas
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Post by Rhannon on Nov 14, 2018 2:36:08 GMT -9
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 5:43:18 GMT -9
My suggestion is not to draw true historical paper figures. A quick search is not enough if you don't know the historical period. It is much more difficult to draw historical paper minis than non-historical paper minis. This is not for everyone. Sorry. And this is only my personal opinion, not a divine truth. Ciao. Buona giornata! ;-) ...... Ciao si sono d'accordo su quello che dicevi sopra infatti per lo più sono miniature adatte a rappresentate i vari eserciti... Non mi prendo la briga di vedere se il primo reggimento hussari austriaco aveva i bottoni gialli e il 2° li aveva grigi.... sono miniature per giocare e per ricreare se uno vuole una campagna detto questo se non ti va lo storico ..... idee x il fantasy? I writed above in italian ... My miniatures are not 100% historical, they are tought to be used playing... so i dont want to spend my time looking for the color of the bottons... they are to rapresent the nations in an acceptable historical level.... after that any idea for fantasy ? I was thinking for a panda army...
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Post by Rhannon on Nov 14, 2018 5:56:17 GMT -9
It depends on what you play. Easily an RPG player finds passable your historical minis papers. He wants to create a context ( a settung ) and also accepts an "almost historical".
A wargamer wants an exact historical response. Not just "almost". And this is precisely the point. Not only the color of the buttons is important but also their number. A little bit like the history of the retro and front arts.
As your buyer I think there are already many fantasy paper minis. Of all levels. Even at very high levels and their authors are in this forum. I think instead there is a lack for sci-fi paper figures but especially for particular genres that are almost completely neglected. Example: post-apocalyptic like fallout, all the weird wars, steampunk pulp ...
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 6:19:04 GMT -9
It depends on what you play. Easily an RPG player finds passable your historical minis papers. He wants to create a context ( a settung ) and also accepts an "almost historical". A wargamer wants an exact historical response. Not just "almost". And this is precisely the point. Not only the color of the buttons is important but also their number. A little bit like the history of the retro and front arts. As your buyer I think there are already many fantasy paper minis. Of all levels. Even at very high levels and their authors are in this forum. I think instead there is a lack for sci-fi paper figures but especially for particular genres that are almost completely neglected. Example: post-apocalyptic like fallout, all the weird wars, steampunk pulp ... for sure we see it differently about the almost historical part .... i have plastic, metal and resin miniatures, but i m not a historical wargamer that wants perfect historical soldiers... i m not a fan of sci fi but.... previous week i was tempted to buy star wars rpg book from fantasy flight games... what kind of sci fi do you like? i mean are you a giant battles fan or are you more into a rpg sci fi? aniway... interesting what you say about post apocalyptic and weird wars.... what especially you think is needed??? ^^ thankyou for your replies ^^ at least i found someone that comments
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 14, 2018 6:30:49 GMT -9
As I don't have a gaming group, I'm not the best one to comment...
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 6:59:33 GMT -9
As I don't have a gaming group, I'm not the best one to comment... i play alone ... so i m not good too
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Post by Rhannon on Nov 14, 2018 10:45:27 GMT -9
It depends on what you play. Easily an RPG player finds passable your historical minis papers. He wants to create a context ( a settung ) and also accepts an "almost historical". A wargamer wants an exact historical response. Not just "almost". And this is precisely the point. Not only the color of the buttons is important but also their number. A little bit like the history of the retro and front arts. As your buyer I think there are already many fantasy paper minis. Of all levels. Even at very high levels and their authors are in this forum. I think instead there is a lack for sci-fi paper figures but especially for particular genres that are almost completely neglected. Example: post-apocalyptic like fallout, all the weird wars, steampunk pulp ... for sure we see it differently about the almost historical part .... i have plastic, metal and resin miniatures, but i m not a historical wargamer that wants perfect historical soldiers... i m not a fan of sci fi but.... previous week i was tempted to buy star wars rpg book from fantasy flight games... what kind of sci fi do you like? i mean are you a giant battles fan or are you more into a rpg sci fi? aniway... interesting what you say about post apocalyptic and weird wars.... what especially you think is needed??? ^^ thankyou for your replies ^^ at least i found someone that comments As you have already understood I am Italian. An old Italian man. Full of problems. Above all problems for free available time. Over the course of time I have played everything. Boardgames, wargames, RPGs ... Large boxed historic wargames in the 80s. RPGs in the 90s (with the first metal miniatures by ral partha and grenadier), Citaldel boxed games (or what's it is called today),historical three-dimensional wargames with 1/72 plastic soldiers and 28/32 mm. metal minis ... massive sci-fi and fantasy childish wargames, boxed monsters boardgames in the first decade of the 2000s ... In the last eight years or so, I limit myself to buying indie digital products. For the most part to collect them and then also to support the authors. for this reason I bought your first products. Now ... your questions ... if today I could play ( unfortunately I don't have much available free time ) I would use solitary systems. Like those of THW. I would prefer a hybrid skirmish / RPG (where the part of the RPG is the evolution of the characteristics of the squad's members ). Even for any RPG, I would prefer a single game system with more settings (for now I played SW but I'm learning without haste even FATE) Weird Wars? Try to find more than 4 products ( paper minis ) and then you tell me. If you can't, I'll show you the links ... Ciao. :-)
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 13:14:13 GMT -9
Rhannonciao again my deepest thankyou for buying my miniatures about the solo games system... can you send me the link ... now i m curious... when you said that you like the squad with evolving caratteristic you made me think .... are you a fan of xcom?? :3 ci ho preso vero??? am i right? ^^ ... i was looking for steampunk and your r right... there s nothing interesting around... but what kind of steampunk do people look for? i mean .... do people look for big flying ships? if that s what people are looking for i m no good at 3d modelling... that s the main cause of me not making sci fi... i mean without tanks what kind of sci fi can that be? ?? ... well i wait for reply
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 14, 2018 13:54:46 GMT -9
well this s the idea for a new fantasy faction.... what do you guys think? i was thinking that with simple recolor i can do pandaman and bearman armies .... this a concept
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 16, 2018 1:19:39 GMT -9
HERE S a little update on the concepts what do you guys think??? a pandaman army?
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 17, 2018 8:59:08 GMT -9
Rhannon here s the first prototipe of post apocaliptical scavenger.... what do you think??? ^^ i did two variant... in the second one i did a orange light layer ... what s better??
i used a more realistic scale for this one... the head is around 1/6 or 1/6,5 of the total size... do you guys prefer this type or the fattier heroic size??? i think this one this way is nice but.... it should be printed in a 40mm or 1/48 scale rather than a common 30 mm.... I wait replies guys ps: the undead arcers are halfway
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Post by squirmydad on Nov 17, 2018 9:15:37 GMT -9
I like the second one, really dark figures can disappear into muddiness when printed at small scale. I think they'll work fine at 30mm scale, no need to print them bigger.
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 17, 2018 9:48:44 GMT -9
I like the second one, really dark figures can disappear into muddiness when printed at small scale. I think they'll work fine at 30mm scale, no need to print them bigger. Thankyou boss
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 18, 2018 6:38:43 GMT -9
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Post by Rhannon on Nov 18, 2018 11:10:29 GMT -9
imho a bit dark at 28/32 mm. high. For the rest, a good figure for me. It reminds me of those of Desktop Wargames ( dragnoz on this forum )
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Post by Vermin King on Nov 18, 2018 11:52:48 GMT -9
My thought exactly. I was picturing the hero wandering into a trap. Encircling him on higher ground, all these guys just standing there looking down, waiting for the hero to make his move
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 19, 2018 8:42:01 GMT -9
i must admit that i tried a non toonish style... but i as the artist dont like the result... ;D i will try something more similar to the desert skeletons and then ask you guys what you think ;D
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 24, 2018 7:03:38 GMT -9
i m working on a different idea.... this s only a concept it will change for sure... but guys take a look spider folk!!!! with big brea.... aem that part is a DLC i need your help guys ... apart the pose what should this set include? i mean should i focus on a set with different pose and various weapons? or should i make a witch version... suggestions are wellcome as ever an hentai set ....... lets pray our lord slanesh!!!!!
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Post by cowboyleland on Nov 24, 2018 8:04:25 GMT -9
I think most useful would be a variety of these AND a boss to go with them. In 5th edition D&D they have AC 19 (natural). I would think that this means the exoskeleton of the spider extends to the humanoid portion of the creature during the transformation, but I realise that is not how they are usually drawn.
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 24, 2018 8:09:09 GMT -9
I think most useful would be a variety of these AND a boss to go with them. In 5th edition D&D they have AC 19 (natural). I would think that this means the exoskeleton of the spider extends to the humanoid portion of the creature during the transformation, but I realise that is not how they are usually drawn. INTERESTING... i will take note of that...
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Post by wyvern on Nov 24, 2018 12:01:15 GMT -9
I'd agree with cowboyleland that variety is the spice of paper minis, and that a leader figure would be important as well. As for the appearance, that might swing either way, for or against an exoskeleton. The nearest similar things that come to mind are the ancient Mesopotamian scorpion-folk. This example, from the decoration on a harp found in a tomb at Ur, and dating to around 2500 BCE, shows a scorpion-man with a definite exoskeleton, here taken from the Sumerian Shakespeare website: while this later example, dating to the circa 12th century BCE, is from a kudurru (sometimes translated, if misleadingly, as "boundary-stone") of King Nabu-kudurri-isur I (Nebuchadrezzar or Nebuchadnezzar I). It shows a more warlike bow-armed scorpion-man with an exoskeleton only over his lower body, with bird-of-prey legs and feet, wearing a T-shirt-style upper body covering, from this Wikimedia Commons page:
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 24, 2018 13:46:41 GMT -9
wyvern i was thinking to make a skorpionman faction... do you prefer them with pincers or with human hands and clothes
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Post by wyvern on Nov 25, 2018 10:49:09 GMT -9
Antohammer : As a fan of all things ancient Mesopotamian, I'd be inclined to prefer the Mesopotamian styles - so human hands, heads and weapons. Also, the advantage of the Mesopotamian types is there are both scorpion men and women mentioned in the texts (though the scorpion women seem not to be illustrated by artworks, unfortunately). So you can justifiably claim a whole race of scorpion-folk this way For other ideas, will you be expanding the Egyptians to include living versions as well, to match the new living Sea People minis? Maybe some Egyptians with their characteristic axes would be an interesting addition to the ranges of the living and undead, if so?
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 27, 2018 4:49:59 GMT -9
wyvern thankyou bro i will for sure make both of them!!!! actually i ve been distracted by iron age greek ... i m working on a huge set of hoplite.... damn i m like a butterfly i m not capable of staying focued on something for more than a day... i have actualli wip for the undead a set of javelin trower ... but next is for sure a set of one hand weapons and shield in action poses!!!!! a living version is a question of when rather than if i was documenting yesterday on hittite too !!!! stay tuned bro
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 28, 2018 1:53:06 GMT -9
wyvern here s the concept for hittite
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Post by Rhannon on Nov 28, 2018 3:33:17 GMT -9
I invit.e you not to digress too much in your series. Obviously this is only a personal opinion, not a criticism ... imho are too fast. When you are too fast you don't have time to improve and to identify errors. Another personal opinion. I already told you that when you get closer to the story you have to do it thoughtfully. Otherwise you only do bad things. Even worse ... ridiculous things. Now ... this is not the case ... ... So don't worry too much. But hurry remains a bad advisor. You have your Patreon page, you accept commissions, make test drawings, you draw WH fantasy style figures ... Really a lot. Bravo! But a square-based ship mast ... stop yourself and think about something different ... Even anatomy and images of figures could be improved ... Now you, as historical figures, have chosen the "bronze age" ( excellent choice imho. Easy clothes and uniforms ... interesting subject but not widespread, Trojan war is in the Bronze Age, Villanovan culture ... European Bronze Age, Myceneans, Minoans and the Trojan War 1600-800BC ... ) so follow this line imho.
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Post by wyvern on Nov 28, 2018 6:19:45 GMT -9
Antohammer: The test Hittite figure seems too "north European Dark Ages" to me. So - the reinforcing band around the helmet is much too prominent (Hittite helmets don't always have this anyway), the clothing is too heavy, and he appears to be wearing gloves, which is not something I've seen in surviving Hittite art. The shield and upturned-toe boots are fine though. Maybe the shield boss could be a little less prominent (the size is OK, but it projects a little too far from the shield face, I think). There's a lot of archaeological and period image evidence on the Hittites, representing quite a number of different troop types, from lightly armed to heavily armoured, but this mini so far doesn't really fit the pattern of any of those. I do realise this is still work-in-progress though
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Post by Antohammer on Nov 28, 2018 7:22:12 GMT -9
wyvern thankyou man!!!!!! a lot of thankyou!!!! when i ask you guys what do you think is your kind of answer that i want!!!! ... a lot of ideas, suggestions and complains!!! this way the minia can become seriously better !!!! i agree whit your suggestions and here s a second concept for a non armoured or light infantry unit.... for the heavy one i did a second concept simply adding scale armour... take a look ... i wait for your reply i think that when the set is complete i will send it to you for free
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