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Post by Vermin King on Oct 20, 2019 18:39:09 GMT -9
I hope my tree idea comes out better than the one on Etsy. Hexagonal has got to look better than square. I haven't got roots or leaves done, but I think I like the look so far. And yes, I plan on making end caps to help hold its shape. One other thing I don't like in the Etsy one is that the leaf layers. I see a narrower ring for the bottom one, a wider one for the next one up and an inverted bowl layer for the top, so it can brush up against other trees. The bowl will keep it from being completely fold-flat, but by doing the end caps and rings, this should pretty much be able to come apart for storage. We'll see if things work as planned. Here's the basic tree trunk. For the final version, it will need to be separate pages, so there will be alternating tabs for the caps. EDIT -- Okay, Huge Tree A and Huge Tree B and end caps. I also have the hexes sized to build the leaf layers around, but that is it for tonight
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Post by shep on Oct 21, 2019 4:05:14 GMT -9
Sadly, I won't get "The Jungle" night club ready till the end of the month. There's just too much going on in RL... Real life often gets in the way of my hobbies and fun. So I can understand. I hope things settle down in such a way that you find both peace and happiness. It's not that I would not be at peace or happy. I'll be at SPIEL games fair this coming thursday, but I have to prepare an RPG concept AND the schematics for a solo-adventure till then. That's pretty much, but managable... And after the fair, I will have about a week to prepare part 2 of a Star Trek Adventures mission, all the while having to do corrections for a Photoshop print magazine. So, basically, I'm just busy...
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 21, 2019 6:11:20 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 21, 2019 13:23:19 GMT -9
Had an appointment out of town today, and on the road it hit me that I need to rethink the top. Originally, I had planned on making it a fairly smooth bowl, similar to the Irish mound tombs from way back. Now, I am leaning towards having shaggier edges on the top cap and rings. I just think it would look better EDIT-- Rearranged the parts of the Tektontenic Mound from cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/7426/irish-forum-hoard-february-2016?page=3Just need to lay out the the leaf texture onto the part. A bit more tedious than I want to deal with tonight
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Post by squirmydad on Oct 21, 2019 19:02:04 GMT -9
Funny, I also have gone back to the Irish Hoard to do some recycling. I added more stone textures and ivy to the monoliths.
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 22, 2019 7:28:20 GMT -9
That was one heckuva Hoard. I really need to go back and re-vamp the stones on top of the Gallarus Oratory. That would turn that into a great model instead of a good one.
This tree is huge. Of course a jungle tree would be. And there really isn't anything out there to fill the void ... that I have found any way. I started texturing my treetop at lunch and realized how top heavy this is going to be. I originally was going to do the roots on paper, not card, but I think I need to have them as card to help support things. If I do it that way, this can still be fold-flat. If it wasn't fold-flat, you could just put some ballast in the trunk. My other idea is to make a 3d ballast-filled ring that slides over the trunk, which also has advantages. But I need to decide which way to go quickly or this won't be done by the end of the month.
Any more natives, guerillas, explorers, beasts or flora working?
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Post by mesper on Oct 22, 2019 12:53:13 GMT -9
Any more natives, guerillas, explorers, beasts or flora working? I'm working on swamp crocodile (couple versions => kinda croco swarm:), so to complete the hoard's "swamp/water theme" since we already have great mini-set from Vermin King with superb water tiles and top-down view beasts ! Although mine's are not from a top-down view/perspective but from a profile (both land and water "based"). Anyway hope it will be before the bundle closing date...
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 22, 2019 16:15:20 GMT -9
Still have to work out whether I still want to do roots or a base ring, but I think I am calling it good on the tree crown. I know I could combine parts to reduce pages, but if I do roots, I could place them in the blank areas. Maybe I should build what's done and then decide how much stabilizing it needs EDIT-- In the process of printing, I see a major issue with the lower set of leaves/branches. It sits too low. It should look fine without it, but if I want to keep that layer, I will need to decrease the size of the cutout so that it sits higher on the trunk. If I do that, I will also need to raise the upper layer, which is probably easier to fix by adjusting the trunk. If I am going to adjust the trunk, it could be adjusted to raise the lower leaves. We'll just have to see
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 23, 2019 5:59:07 GMT -9
Since I have to leave at 7AM tomorrow for an appointment, I got up early today to make sure I knew what time to be up tomorrow. Here's where I got on this. I'm going to do a border to make it easier to cut out...
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 23, 2019 9:41:32 GMT -9
At lunch I finished cutting out the tree crown. I already knew I need to smooth out the edges on the leaf parts, but surprisingly edging wasn't that bad, but will be easier. I haven't glued things together, yet, but I noticed that part 2 needs more slope, which I will do by losing one inner tab section. Much more attractive. Will have to check on whether the part 3 fringe under-ring will fit or need a slight reduction. Since I posted the tree crown files, I've added numbers for the parts. 1-3 are the crown, parts 4 are the trunk, 5&6 are the trunk end caps, and 8&9 are the branch layers. I've been looking at a lot of rainforest tree photos, and one thing I've noticed is that tall trees rarely have branches until you get into the canopy. Realistically, 8&9 shouldn't be there. When it looks like they have lower limbs, more times than not, you are looking at the crown of shorter trees growing nearby. For gaming, though, these branches give a place to hide or shoot from, or find the miscellaneous baddies. I guess what I am getting at very slowly is that this tree trunk should be typical, only with the top leaf/branch layer just below the crown. Since anyone who has seen Predator or Tarzan movies is used to lower branches, I will do a second version with two layers of branches. And I think that printing this version at two pages per page would give a bit of variety, once I get it worked out for having the branch closer to the crown EDIT-- Yep, just proves the importance of test builds One set of branches, sitting high, and reduced diameter looks pretty good. No branches looks like a savannah tree
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 24, 2019 11:44:33 GMT -9
I don't think the frilly crown really helps the appearance enough to warrant the effort. I'm going to redesign it more simply, with the option to have a more ragged lower edge. I still didn't bother fully cutting out the edges on the lower leaf layer, but positioned higher on the trunk, I think it looks 'right' (picturing the edges cut out and a leaf texture near the trunk) A nice little ledge of possibilities. I really like the trunk as-is. When you see tourists posing in front of jungle trees or camera-trap images of wildlife, the trunk looks like a good approximation. I was worried about it being stable, but it is very stable without any ballast. Feedback? You won't hurt my fragile ego. Honest
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Post by mesper on Oct 24, 2019 19:39:39 GMT -9
I'm working on Mr. El'Croco figurines Water and ground/sand versions possible +maybe some sort of MOD-KIT? Still need couple more days, as I'm also preparing special Halloween freebies Well, this one is not as seen at documentary/National Geographic - it's rather somewhat between reality and fantasy, kinda semi-croco? So will he fit (of course coloured and with textures) into this hoard
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 25, 2019 7:24:11 GMT -9
Trying to find the time to get back to this.
By now, you all should know my process. I get an idea, attempt to find a model that does things similarly, evaluate the model and see what I think can be done better (or at least differently), then develop a prototype model that I toss ideas at, then with that model, I figure out what works, what needs tweaked, and what plain flat needs to be done differently
In this case, my idea was spurred by that Etsy jungle tree. My model above is my prototype. Now I just need to get it changed so that it will be more buildable (losing most of the frilly bits on the top two layers of the crown), change the proportions on the third layer so that it extends further outward and is easier to cut out, and create a new sniper-hide without as much frill.
Once I get that, I plan on doing a medium-sized tree (73%, which is what one would have if printed two pages per page), but it needs a designed sniper-hide layer for it, because there wouldn't be room in the space between that layer and the crown if I just re-scale.
And I need to stop being side-tracked with other ideas. At the smaller scale, I can really picture the trunk textured to be the corner of a sci fi fort. Of course, if I worked out the geometry for that, retexturing could yield any kind of fort
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Post by wyvern on Oct 26, 2019 5:25:15 GMT -9
Vermin King: You have the makings of a perfect gigantic mushroom model with the tree as currently formulated - so don't lose the current designs entirely! I'd have guessed from the configuration the trunk would be likely stable, though I guess that may depend on the size/weight of the final canopy section. Jungle trees/shrubs tend to grow in canopy layers, wherever light can penetrate sufficiently for plant growth, so the Predator/Tarzan lower branches may be a shorthand movie way of representing this (but is more likely just due to expectations/ignorance in reality, I'd expect...). Where there are medium to long-term clearings - rocky ground and lakes, for instance - the trees on the jungle edge will grow branches out down to ground level if nothing's there to graze them away (you find exactly the same thing with temperate woodlands as well, but we're much more used to seeing human-managed woodlands like this, not the wild woods where the trees can simply grow as they please).
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 26, 2019 6:56:16 GMT -9
The smoother topped version is even closer to the mushroom shape. I was working on it a bit this AM. With the sniper-hide ring lower, that would be where the cap pulls away from the stem when it opens. Hmmm The GM kid at work asked me what I've been working on lately, so I showed him this and he asked if I was keeping it when I'm done (he knows I give most of my stuff away). I think he is more excited about this than I was when I started it. I wish I'd kept more of my intermediate steps when I developed the crown of the tree. Building from scratch is a bit of a pain EDIT -- Finished the new leaf layer and the smooth top. I'm going to look it over again before I print after work tonight. I think they still look wild enough, but also have smoother edges for cutting. Since I did away with the lower leaf layer, the new version is on the end cap page. The opening has been sized to sit just over an inch and a half from the top. Just trim the hole larger if you want it to sit lower. I also made the upper end cap for the trunk a purplish brown grey, so you won't have glaring white there when the crown of the tree is removed. I think there is a good chance of this being the final tweaks, but I still want to examine it again EDIT #2 -- Fellows like this make it easier to believe that dinosaurs became birds mesmerizingly weird and beautiful at the same time
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Post by wyvern on Oct 27, 2019 5:57:51 GMT -9
Dunno about the smooth leaf-ring edges. The frilly ones looked more realistic to me, but I appreciate the point about cutting. However, trying to cut a circle freehand never works well, so a degree of roughness about the edge may be better anyway. I've been working on the free Canon Haunted House pop-up Halloween card this weekend, and few of the model edges are actually true, while the tiled roof edges are deliberately rough and wavy, which really hasn't made it that much worse to cut, and makes the whole look more natural.
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 27, 2019 6:42:54 GMT -9
I understand and totally agree, and think my final version will be a combination of effects. I think the edges of parts 3 still look natural, but are easier to cut out. After I build this version, I think I will be better able to evaluate. Parts 3 are wider in this version which will help the overall shape. My gut tells me that part 1 will end up having this newer edge and extend out beyond the join between part 1 and part 2, but I feel that carrying the edge to part 2 may be unnecessary. But it's a journey and I haven't reached the end of this road, yet. I made some subtle changes to this version's parts, so I will probably print and build today or tonight EDIT-- One hour and 20 minutes ago I proceeded to score and cut out the new parts. I then had lunch, gave GrayC a little attention, talked to my mom on the phone, checked on Calico who came in and wanted attention, and all while watching Doctor Who.
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 27, 2019 11:17:16 GMT -9
I think I can consider this successful. I like it anyway It was a bit of a squeeze fitting part 2 to the part 3 ring, so I'm going to enlarge parts 1 & 2 by 2%. The end caps need to be a tad larger, too. Not sure how I shrank them. Oops
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Post by aaron on Oct 27, 2019 14:04:24 GMT -9
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Post by mesper on Oct 27, 2019 16:16:47 GMT -9
Yet another one approach, not final still gives some more ideas Next versions will be most probably with water and some reeds around (?)
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 27, 2019 17:10:57 GMT -9
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Post by dafrca on Oct 27, 2019 17:27:31 GMT -9
aaron Are the lizards mostly carrying a spear in each hand? Am I seeing this right?
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Post by dafrca on Oct 27, 2019 17:29:12 GMT -9
Vermin King I like how the tree turned out. The ledge for the sniper or monster or for the characters to hide is a nice touch.
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Post by aaron on Oct 27, 2019 17:52:40 GMT -9
aaron Are the lizards mostly carrying a spear in each hand? Am I seeing this right? Nope this is only one hand it folds in two so you can position it however you want to. the other arm is on the other page and has a shield.
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 28, 2019 8:45:48 GMT -9
aaron, I was going to work up a sheet of some of these for the Hoard, but I have a question as to how the wings attach. Is each fold-over wing just for one side? I originally thought the two wing sets glue together and then slot into the body, but I don't think so any more. It's a left wing and a right wing, correct?
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Post by squirmydad on Oct 28, 2019 8:49:00 GMT -9
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Post by aaron on Oct 28, 2019 12:14:25 GMT -9
aaron, I was going to work up a sheet of some of these for the Hoard, but I have a question as to how the wings attach. Is each fold-over wing just for one side? I originally thought the two wing sets glue together and then slot into the body, but I don't think so any more. It's a left wing and a right wing, correct? it's funny you should ask I believe I actually did a tutorial on here somewhere showing the whole process ... hummmm lets see if I can find it ! LOL AH HA!! I always forget it's in fan art Not Pigmi games but here is the toutoriel on how to make it ! cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/7508/lizard-men?page=3So the TLDR version is you fold it in half and glue it to the side. I'm not one for fancy fancy LOL
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Post by aaron on Oct 28, 2019 12:43:45 GMT -9
Vermin King you had a problem with the wings before, I just found this under the toutoril I did LOL!!!!! " You are a born story-teller. And I now know how I screwed up the wings on your eagle. Thank you, sir. Okay, a word of explanation. I assumed the dotted line was more of a crease, glued the wings together as 'over and under', not 'right and left'. I feel enlightened. Probably because I shut off my phone"
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Post by aaron on Oct 28, 2019 12:48:23 GMT -9
oh ya one last thing that might be cool here ?? I made a hedge of jungely bits A LONG time ago! I found it when I was looking for something else. I don't even remember where I got all the assets from it's been what like a decade or so ago. anyway it looks like this I don't even remember what I based it with? thought maybe it would go here in the jungle free stuff LOL!!
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 28, 2019 13:27:52 GMT -9
Vermin King you had a problem with the wings before, I just found this under the toutoril I did LOL!!!!! " You are a born story-teller. And I now know how I screwed up the wings on your eagle. Thank you, sir. Okay, a word of explanation. I assumed the dotted line was more of a crease, glued the wings together as 'over and under', not 'right and left'. I feel enlightened. Probably because I shut off my phone" I saw that, too
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