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Oct 6, 2008 23:03:30 GMT -9
Post by abaddonwormwood on Oct 6, 2008 23:03:30 GMT -9
Now I am getting the itch for some mass battles in a fantasy setting. Warmaster comes to mind - well Battleground Fantasy Warfare actually is a more accessable and playable but I want to push around 10mm figures. Now if you don't know I hate painting, simple. Now to scale Jim's current line of Skeletons what should I reduce by -66%?
Also how should I rank them up. I of course am going to photoshop groups together in lines but how many across - 5?
Anyone got another ruleset that would work for this scale, also something that would do a kingdom campaign?
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by josedominguez on Oct 7, 2008 7:29:00 GMT -9
I'd put as many as looks appropriate on a strip with a rough guide of 5, that way a command group could be as wide as five figures but only have 3 or 4, leaves you more room to be artistic with placement and as long as a strip is a standard width will work fine. The original mighty empires rules are available free as a PDF from Games Workshop... that still works well. They've even got the tiles to download and print.
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Post by magpiestear on Oct 8, 2008 3:08:22 GMT -9
THere's always HOTT, Hordes of the things! That has it's own simple campaign rules in it as well. Simple rules allow several games in a session. WE once played out an entire historical campaign in a evening at my old club using DBA (the rules on which HOTT is based) Irregular miniatures produced a set of rules called the ancients rule box (not sure if it's still in production). THis was a simple set designed for their 6mm ranges of ancients. I tweaked it for my fantasy stuff and it again plays well and fast. Kalistra have a set of rules that are downloadable from their web site too, this was designed for their 10mm range although it relies on a hex based game board. You could also try www.freewargamesrules.co.uk loads to choose from on here!!
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Mar 11, 2009 3:51:09 GMT -9
Post by wabbitwampage on Mar 11, 2009 3:51:09 GMT -9
I 've reduced the skeleton minis in 15mm (with the multiple-pages option in adobe reader) but the result is not very nice (too much black lines+ black border makes them look dark and difficult to recognize as skeleton). The result is excellent with the elves (I will post pics soon). For the rules you can check this site www.demonworld.fr (it's in french) but the download section is full of interesting things.
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Mar 12, 2009 19:43:51 GMT -9
Post by docryder on Mar 12, 2009 19:43:51 GMT -9
Since I can't read any of that, has someone in France picked up the rights to Demonworld now that Hobby Products is defunct?
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Mar 13, 2009 12:48:19 GMT -9
Post by abaddonwormwood on Mar 13, 2009 12:48:19 GMT -9
Was not DemonWorld french in the first place? Remember look at this game but it wasn't brought into Australia so I did figure what was the point.
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Mar 13, 2009 13:52:55 GMT -9
Post by silentsquirrel on Mar 13, 2009 13:52:55 GMT -9
I've assembled four 40x20mm stands of the Elves in 15mm. With four minis to a stand, the figures look great. As for me, I'm using the classic reprint of A Fistfull of Miniatures. The second edition is being worked on by Precis Intermedia Games. I've also done up a unit of Skeleton Swordsmen, and I thought they looked pretty good. At any rate, it sure beats painting all those little minis.
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Mar 13, 2009 15:59:55 GMT -9
Post by stevelortz on Mar 13, 2009 15:59:55 GMT -9
"A Fistfull of Miniatures"
WOOOO-HOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
One of my all time favorites.
Two of my fondest memories of miniatures victories were playing FFoM. In one game I was in command of the orcish left with some units of goblin spears, goblin archers and wolfriders. Our opponents were young pups raised up on Napoleonic rules, so they put their cavalry (heavy knights) on the flanks and formed up a bunch of elf archer units in their center.
Our left was anchored on a swamp, where heavy cavalry couldn't go, so I had my goblin spear units start mooning the heavy cavalry while I sent the archers into the edge of the swamp and the wolfriders around the swamp to get into the "good guys" rear. The heavy cavalry charged the spears, but took too many casualties from the cruel missiles of the soggy goblin archers. When the "good guy" commanders saw my wolfriders coming from afar, they formed their elven archer units into squares, seriously impairing their missile fire. Us orcs and goblins drank a lot of elf blood that day! That was at a little con in South Milwaukee.
More later!
Have fun! Steve
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Mar 13, 2009 21:37:33 GMT -9
Post by stevelortz on Mar 13, 2009 21:37:33 GMT -9
Jayson Gralewitz (sp?) used to run massive FFoM battles on Saturday evening at GenCon. One year he did the battle of Pellinor Fields. I got to be Aragorn leading a relief column of skeletal archers, spearmen and cavalry. There were two other guys in my command. I asked them if they were familiar with medieval tactical doctrine (after having defeated the Napoleonic elves at a previous convention). They both said yes, so I put one in charge of the spears, one in charge of the archers, and I took the cavalry for myself.
We came on the table at some remove from the main action, and there was an orc army to our right. I sent the spear column down the road toward the main battle with the archers flanking to give them fire support. I took the cavalry and smacked the orc army in the flank. This caused a morale cascade, the whole orc army would have routed if Jayson hadn't stepped in as referee to give the orc player a chance to stay in the game. What a blast!
One of the beauties of FFoM was that you would get fairly authentic results if you used the troops in a reasonably historical manner. I'm glad to see there's interest in re-publishing the rules.
Have fun! Steve
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Mar 14, 2009 2:16:07 GMT -9
Post by silentsquirrel on Mar 14, 2009 2:16:07 GMT -9
One of the beauties of FFoM was that you would get fairly authentic results if you used the troops in a reasonably historical manner. I'm glad to see there's interest in re-publishing the rules. Have fun! Steve Hey, I believe that you must be the Steven Lortz credited in the supplement For a Few Miniatures More! Very cool!
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Mar 14, 2009 3:44:38 GMT -9
Post by wabbitwampage on Mar 14, 2009 3:44:38 GMT -9
About Demonworld, it's a german game at origin and Hobby products still own the rights as you can see at the bottom right of web page: DEMONWORLD™ and the DEMONWORLD™ logo are registered trademarks of HOBBY PRODUCTS GmbH. DEMONWORLD™ and its connected imagery © 1994, 1997 by HOBBY PRODUCTS GmbH. But as said on the site you can download for free (I mean the authors (Ingo Martin) gave authorization for the free distribution of the french version of the game?). Perhaps it's a good idea to open a thread about this rules if you want.
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Mar 14, 2009 13:43:32 GMT -9
Post by stevelortz on Mar 14, 2009 13:43:32 GMT -9
One of the beauties of FFoM was that you would get fairly authentic results if you used the troops in a reasonably historical manner. I'm glad to see there's interest in re-publishing the rules. Have fun! Steve Hey, I believe that you must be the Steven Lortz credited in the supplement For a Few Miniatures More! Very cool! Yep. That was your's truly. I think I contributed some chariot rules and some army lists. It now seems like a very different world from the way it was back then, before things got so commercial. The crowd here at One Monk seems to have the old "let's get together and have some fun" spirit rather than "let's find a way to suck all the money out of the market and into our pockets" attitude. And it all starts with the tone set by Jim. My hat is off to him! Have fun! Steve
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Mar 17, 2009 19:06:27 GMT -9
Post by audrey on Mar 17, 2009 19:06:27 GMT -9
I have wondered what the miniatures would look like set up as a 10mm rank. I based it on a 40mm wide warmaster stand. I felt the 6 skeletons looked good. The skeletons are 66% smaller. Click on the image to download the tif file if you want to give it a try. I haven't printed it out. So I do not know how an actual print looks.
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Mar 17, 2009 22:29:31 GMT -9
Post by tonsha on Mar 17, 2009 22:29:31 GMT -9
Oh WOW! These are sweet!!
I've been thinking of doing ranked figures for a while (But no time! No time!!!!)
Are you planning to do any more? Maybe Jim would agree to publish them if you did enough variety. Good for HOTT, WarHamster, and for my own fave 'Te Wapen!'.
Have to check out FFoM....
Great job with the Skellies!! ;D
DaveA
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Mar 17, 2009 22:45:04 GMT -9
Post by abaddonwormwood on Mar 17, 2009 22:45:04 GMT -9
Ms. A,
These look great...but what happens when you get to the Archers and mounted troops? Profile instead of front faced.
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Mar 18, 2009 1:36:42 GMT -9
Post by silentsquirrel on Mar 18, 2009 1:36:42 GMT -9
Ms. A, These look great...but what happens when you get to the Archers and mounted troops? Profile instead of front faced. Lord Abaddon of Wormwood That's what I was thinking as well. Still, if something could be worked out, it would simplify small scale mini making.
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Mar 18, 2009 4:27:24 GMT -9
Post by audrey on Mar 18, 2009 4:27:24 GMT -9
These look great...but what happens when you get to the Archers and mounted troops? Profile instead of front faced. That is what I would do. Similar to warmaster miniatures. Have 2 skeleton archers in file from a profile view. Then you put 4-5 on a stand. Of course I am thinking warmaster here as that is what I would use them for.
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Mar 18, 2009 4:47:56 GMT -9
Post by audrey on Mar 18, 2009 4:47:56 GMT -9
Are you planning to do any more? Maybe Jim would agree to publish them if you did enough variety. Good for HOTT, WarHamster, and for my own fave 'Te Wapen!'. I think the Skeleton Regiment miniatures would look more unified and a better choice for a 10mm army. But I do not have any of those. I figured it would be better to test out the 10mm concept on the free downloads and make sure it works well before trying to convert a whole army to 10mm. Jim has enough troop variety you could create a nice 10mm undead army.
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Mar 18, 2009 12:50:30 GMT -9
Post by abaddonwormwood on Mar 18, 2009 12:50:30 GMT -9
Ms. A, I am sure if you were aiming to do an Army of the bone in this 10mm style Jim would happily give you the files to play with. (Hope I am not speaking out of turn here but I have the feeling that Jim would be very happy to do this to his range.)
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Mar 19, 2009 5:34:39 GMT -9
Post by squirmydad on Mar 19, 2009 5:34:39 GMT -9
I'd be game if I had more armies and troop type done, at my current pace it will take a couple years before I'd be ready to pursue anything like this. But it is cool. JIM
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Aug 17, 2015 7:06:47 GMT -9
Post by yifferman on Aug 17, 2015 7:06:47 GMT -9
looks interesting, bue my hand are to big to do a little figures.
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