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Post by cadia134 on Aug 9, 2013 14:07:54 GMT -9
I dont see any new(ish) posts in the Hoard area of the forum. Is this something that just died out? Thanks Cadia134
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Post by squirmydad on Aug 9, 2013 20:02:21 GMT -9
More like...it's sleeping, not dead. Right now the Forum Hoards have no manager to promote, collect, organize, layout, etc., and send to me for uploading to the site. The Hoards are a fair bit of work, I used to manage the Models & Miniatures in Paper Showcases, which were similar to the Forum Hoards, and it's a fair bit of work to maintain them. If I can find someone to help manage them I'd be happy to host new ones.
-Eric
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Post by cadia134 on Aug 10, 2013 3:23:18 GMT -9
Please explain more about what you would expect from someone willing to help? What skills do they need? What is the time requirement per month?
THanks Cadia134
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 10, 2013 8:25:11 GMT -9
I don't know all involved, but they will need to collect all the submitted Hoard pieces into a pdf, build the items and take promotional photos of the pieces. I've never been good at #1 or #3.
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Post by squirmydad on Aug 10, 2013 9:51:28 GMT -9
That's about the size of it. Then the cutting files for the pieces need to be made, automated cutters are quite popular around here. The jobs could be divided among multiple people, it's just rarely happened before.
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Post by cowboyleland on Aug 10, 2013 19:59:59 GMT -9
I don't want to discourage starting the Hoards again, but it has been my experience that inspiration and opportunity rarely line up with the hoard deadline. Maybe we should brainstorm on other ways to encourage people to share their work? Would just having a "tank" thread and a "Fantasy races" thread etc. that people can contribute to whenever they want be an outlet or do people need the deadlines to encourage them?
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Post by squirmydad on Aug 10, 2013 20:07:21 GMT -9
The pressure of a deadline has always seemed to help. When I first started running the MMiP showcases I experimented with two month long showcases and artists still let things go until the last minute. The most often heard criticism was with that big of a project time they just kind of forgot and participation actually slumped with the longer time limits. Holding to a hard 30 day time limit worked well all around, especially for whoever was working as collator to gather up all the bits, lay them out, print, cut, photograph, and upload the files and the photos. When the time limit was allowed to drag on for just one more, just one more, just one more little thing...it cut into the time that the collator had available to finish up the Hoard and get on with their own projects.
Time limits are useful.
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Post by spaceranger42 on Aug 10, 2013 21:29:36 GMT -9
Perhaps just set a goal for each Hoard and let people submit, the more submissions, the quicker the Hoards roll out? Just spit balling here . . . or Hoard submissions have to be in by X Date of the month and if you miss the boat, you miss the boat. Though in a way the individual projects page almost fills that gap. I know I just post dropbox links in the free stuff thread.
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Post by cadia134 on Aug 11, 2013 4:03:15 GMT -9
Maybe rather than a time limit, a new hoard comes out when there is a critical mass of models? say 15 figs or whatever, then any overflow just goes to the next hoard?
Cadia
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 11, 2013 6:10:50 GMT -9
Themes always seem to work best, even though not all submissions will be for that theme. Without deadlines, little will get done. Without a theme, there is little inspiration. I also think that monthly is better than bi-monthly because it keeps up an excitement level. But that excitement level dwindles if it takes too long to release. I am a huge fan of the Hoards, but we need to get to the point they can be done with consistency before they get started again.
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Post by WackyAnne on Aug 11, 2013 7:27:36 GMT -9
Themes always seem to work best, even though not all submissions will be for that theme. Without deadlines, little will get done. Without a theme, there is little inspiration. I also think that monthly is better than bi-monthly because it keeps up an excitement level. But that excitement level dwindles if it takes too long to release. I am a huge fan of the Hoards, but we need to get to the point they can be done with consistency before they get started again. I completely agree. One of my favourite quotes is "It is within limits that the artist reveals himself" or some such. Basically, time limits spur action, and theme limits spawn creative inspiration. We creative types sometimes need a framework to do our best work.
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Post by squirmydad on Aug 11, 2013 8:34:38 GMT -9
Themes always seem to work best, even though not all submissions will be for that theme. Without deadlines, little will get done. Without a theme, there is little inspiration. I also think that monthly is better than bi-monthly because it keeps up an excitement level. But that excitement level dwindles if it takes too long to release. I am a huge fan of the Hoards, but we need to get to the point they can be done with consistency before they get started again. I completely agree. One of my favourite quotes is "It is within limits that the artist reveals himself" or some such. Basically, time limits spur action, and theme limits spawn creative inspiration. We creative types sometimes need a framework to do our best work. I just stole that quote for my Facebook status. The other one I like, that I would quote to my students all the time, is, "Discipline is not the enemy of creativity." All valid points above, good ideas, but it all comes down to both the commitment of the artists involved and of the Hoard manager to complete the project on a monthly basis. Please keep the ideas coming, this is a good discussion. I know real-life tends to get in the way of creative projects; my wife quit her job this spring and we became a single-income household for a few months so I shelved all my projects to focus on keeping us afloat. Things are better now and I'm back at my art table and laptop picking up where I left off and pushing forward on new things. It happens. This is why I thought a Hoard team might work well so the entire workload is not falling on the same person repeatedly so that when they get tired or stressed the program withers.
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Post by cowboyleland on Aug 11, 2013 10:51:07 GMT -9
To turn Vermin King's list of "needed skills" into a "division of labour" description; It makes sense that the builder(s) is/are also the photographer(s), but the pdf-er could be someone else, no? I have almost no experience with pdf, my photography is 2nd rate at best and my builds are really sloppy. I will put myself in the Moral Support Department
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Post by oldschooldm on Aug 11, 2013 10:59:14 GMT -9
I could make cutfiles sometimes - though I'm also not one to take beauty shots.
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Post by squirmydad on Sept 2, 2013 8:20:50 GMT -9
Not dead, awakened from slumber and screeching forth from the netherworlds, it's the Halloween Wars Hoard!
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