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Post by mesper on Apr 30, 2015 14:05:34 GMT -9
Charity: I agree, Mesper, but on the subject of helping internationally, DWB here (and Red Cross) are the American branches - being a UK resident I was concerned that when I wanted to donate from my products a while back to Medecines Sans Frontieres that Doctors Without Borders (on the US site) was called thus primarily for the US donors (even though I can't spell it, everyone else in the world outside of the US seems to say MSF, but I could be wrong). It's all down to the way OBS move the dollars around, I think. I certainly wouldn't have mentioned American Red Cross if they weren't saying that they were supporting the emergency in Nepal - although I'm regretting ticking Red Cross on the poll now, because I like both yours and Brave Adventures points! Pricing: I think I was being intimidated but Kabuki Kaiser's runaway success in the first few hours with his bundle: $700+. He wasn't shy about emailing all the OBS customers and posting in most of the old school communities. Gutsy. His pack was $15. I'm a real penny-pincher when it comes to independent deals on DriveThru, even if the saving is big. Anyone else having opinions on this? Otherwise I think Brave Adventures should trust his gut instinct at the very last moment (?) $20 - go for it! I'm a rubbish gambler. Sell cheap, stack high? Max customers vs substantial individual donations? Maybe we're worrying too much. Maybe I'm worrying too much. The products are of a good quality, the cause is noble. * flag unfurls and music plays * I think the excitement has genuinely got the better of me! Hmm... considering 20$ price -- I'm willing to add another 3 products (2,5-3,5$ range each to make this bundle even more attractive, assuming that mine sets would add to it;) -- not sure yet when is deadline (I'm CET)
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on Apr 30, 2015 15:16:35 GMT -9
Now I want to add something extra too, like stakes in poker, but I'm running out of revenue. Currently 9.15 am on Friday (morning) in Japan. 1.15 am here in UK CET 2.10am ? Brain just popped doing the rest of the maths. So that's at least 24 hours until a Saturday launch in Japan? (Sorry been babbling way too much) Brave Adventures, come back, help?
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Post by Brave Adventures on Apr 30, 2015 15:43:49 GMT -9
Now I want to add something extra too, like stakes in poker, but I'm running out of revenue. Currently 9.15 am on Friday (morning) in Japan. 1.15 am here in UK CET 2.10am ? Brain just popped doing the rest of the maths. So that's at least 24 hours until a Saturday launch in Japan? (Sorry been babbling way too much) Brave Adventures, come back, help? Hi, it is 9:35am here. My family and I are at a hotel in another prefecture. I'm fine with keeping the price at $20 or changing it to $15. $15 seems really cheap to me though! But maybe that's a good thing for attracting the maximum number of people? I'm going to try making a promo image for the bundle when we get home. If you guys have any images you'd like me to include could you post them here and I'll try making a collage or something. I'm going to e-mail Meredith tonight so she can do what she needs to do, then I will activate it tomorrow morning (May 2nd Japan Time). Does that work? Ryan
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Post by mesper on Apr 30, 2015 15:51:19 GMT -9
OK, it's almost 2:50 at night here so... IMHO 20$ bar could kinda scare some donors, so already added more sets from PERMES: - Dragonslayers + Bonus Arts (2.95$)
- Fantasy and Sci-Fi Creatres: Snakes Set #1 (1.99$)
- Pirates Set 1 (2.45$)
- Pikemen - 30 Years' War #1 (2.75$)
- Roma Aeterna - Roman Chariots (2.75$)
Good Luck!
----- EDIT BTW these are (IMHO:) some of hi-quality PERMES sets I'm really proud of, with some added value (like accessories, optional/alternate versions and MOD-KITS, then some of these includes made-for-fun bonus graphics etc) -- originally worth (again IMHO:) more than stated in brackets
EDIT #2 Still I'd opt for 15 bucks (not mention how many publishers or sets would be included!)
Then additionally, no matter 15$ or 20$ price tag, I can start serial promo-mailing about this charity bundle to all PERMES customers (who not denied receiving such e-mails) -- as I have some silly PP (Publishers Point) to spent, if it could be helpfull...
//However... just as an idea!!!... it could be challenging to run something similar to the Humble Bundle Games - you know, with SEVERAL STEPS of possible donation (and accordingly different products/sets within the bundle) - something like current Heroes Of Might and Magic Humble Bundle ( HoMM Humble Bundle or just google it:) -- still somehow I'm afraid that it might be beyond scope of interest and (software) possibilities of OBS.
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on Apr 30, 2015 16:31:42 GMT -9
Snuck in a couple more products. I'm holding Mesper Permes responsible! . 27+ products $80 in value for $20 ? I think it's a game changer. Definitely stick at $20 IMHO. Brave Adventures, re. cover art graphic, Having a grid with all the different products will be pretty impressive I reckon. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
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Post by okumarts on Apr 30, 2015 16:58:45 GMT -9
I added in a Serene Fist set. I was a bit late getting this together. Great idea!
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Post by mesper on Apr 30, 2015 17:35:00 GMT -9
Snuck in a couple more products. I'm holding Mesper Permes responsible! . 27+ products $80 in value for $20 ? I think it's a game changer. Definitely stick at $20 IMHO. "Guilty as charged" Added another one: - pmdh30 SAMURAI - Medieval Japan Set 1 (2.75$)
C'mon - mentioned "Kubuki Kaiser" publisher/user-name brings into my mind Kabuki, classical Japanese dance-drama -- so perhaps something more Japanese-theme oriented should be included within our bundle?
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Post by cowboyleland on Apr 30, 2015 18:28:27 GMT -9
Tempting as all that is; my kids school has found corporate donors to match whatever they can raise and the Canadian government will match too so I think my $20 is going that way.
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on May 1, 2015 3:16:34 GMT -9
Thanks Okumarts and Mesper, Cowboyleland, if your donation is being doubled, that sounds like a pretty sensible call. * respect * Okay this is how the list is looking ...
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 1, 2015 6:14:23 GMT -9
Wow! I am so blown away by everyone's support for the bundle! To keep up with you guys, we've decided to add our Catapult set to the bundle as well! I think that brings the value to about $90!
I just emailed Meredith. I think it is set to launch tomorrow.
Ryan
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 1, 2015 20:06:22 GMT -9
Hey guys, everything is set up and ready to launch!
I would just like to prepare some promotional material first with everyone's logos. I already have Okumarts' and McNabb Games' logos, but only some low res versions of Inked Adventures' and Permes' logos, and I'm missing Mayhem in Paper/One Monk and Nemo Works. So, if you have any logos or graphics I should use please post them here or send them to me on Facebook.
I also contacted Doctors Without Borders to tell them what we are doing.
If anyone else has suggestions for promotion, let me know!
Ryan
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on May 2, 2015 12:40:26 GMT -9
Ryan, do you have everything you need? I'm kind of bursting with trepidation here!
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 2, 2015 14:20:37 GMT -9
Ryan, do you have everything you need? I'm kind of bursting with trepidation here! Sorry for the delay! It is 8am here and I just received the logos I needed last night while I was sleeping. I was hoping to hear back from Doctors Without Borders before I launched, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. Anyway, I am just finishing up the bundle description now, so I will launch within the next hour. Ryan
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Post by mesper on May 2, 2015 14:57:02 GMT -9
Ryan, do you have everything you need? I'm kind of bursting with trepidation here! Sorry for the delay! It is 8am here and I just received the logos I needed last night while I was sleeping. I was hoping to hear back from Doctors Without Borders before I launched, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. Anyway, I am just finishing up the bundle description now, so I will launch within the next hour. Ryan Just uploaded PERMES banner and logo (both PSD - flat and layers and JPG version) - please read PMs! (there are full/correct JPG versions attached in second PM, but in case you would prefer PSD files - please REPLACE extensions: jpg=>psd within links in first PM)
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Post by kiladecus on May 3, 2015 2:32:09 GMT -9
Am I too late? I want to contribute, but the information was removed. :/ I would love to get Nemo involved by adding my sets with his maps, but ALL of my masters were lost when my computer crashed last year. I can offer up my 2econd Edition stuff, I just need the link and info so I can help out. (I am late to the party because I was promoted at my "real" job and have to work 50 hours a week. I worked 4:30 am to 4:30 pm. Oi!)
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Post by Rhannon on May 3, 2015 2:52:30 GMT -9
I think (I hope) that nobody is too late. I know this means further efforts for Ryan but most producers involved, and the news of this project spreads, more we can raise funds for this important initiative.
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on May 3, 2015 3:42:20 GMT -9
I'm having some trouble buying/donating $15 myself. For some reason it keeps trying to add two bundles to my basket and then crashes at checkout. I'm wondering if this is because I'm a contributor(?). Anyone else having trouble as a customer? Hi kiladecus ! Brave Adventures did hold back for a while (which was painful for me, because I was getting way too excited and wanted to promote the launch, and am maybe being competitive with other bundles!). He was asked by DriveThru to remove the password from public posts for security reasons (especially once it's live) sorry about that - but direct message him or me for the codes if he gives the go-ahead. I think like Rhannon says it's sometimes possible to add products later, which is a good thing, but there can be difficulties in updating the libraries of customers who have already donated, and emailing them to let them know this has happened. Instintive thought: I think the emphasis theme/ here is also on the printed minis, models - just in case you were planning to add a rulebook or system - but if I remember right you have loads of figures in the GMG DM rules. I understand what you were saying about Nemo, because sharing bundles and royalties with other can make things more complicated, which is why I avoid putting up my Encounter Lairs for charity in the past (mixed royalties). The other option is to put your products straight onto the charity page which will be getting more traffic than normal (compared to big deals, I'm almost embarrassed about my Evil Summonings and the 3D furniture I have on there, because they are so cheap, I think it just looks like I'm just doing into for the advertising, I put them up there when I wanted to draw attention to the famine/crisis in Somalia a couple of years ago) Just my thoughts, I don't want to speak for Brave Adventures who has already had to work out all sorts of details, he just sounded more confident about hosting it than I.
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 3, 2015 5:11:35 GMT -9
I'm having some trouble buying/donating $15 myself. For some reason it keeps trying to add two bundles to my basket and then crashes at checkout. I'm wondering if this is because I'm a contributor(?). Anyone else having trouble as a customer? Hi kiladecus ! Brave Adventures did hold back for a while (which was painful for me, because I was getting way too excited and wanted to promote the launch, and am maybe being competitive with other bundles!). He was asked by DriveThru to remove the password from public posts for security reasons (especially once it's live) sorry about that - but direct message him or me for the codes if he gives the go-ahead. I think like Rhannon says it's sometimes possible to add products later, which is a good thing, but there can be difficulties in updating the libraries of customers who have already donated, and emailing them to let them know this has happened. Instintive thought: I think the emphasis theme/ here is also on the printed minis, models - just in case you were planning to add a rulebook or system - but if I remember right you have loads of figures in the GMG DM rules. I understand what you were saying about Nemo, because sharing bundles and royalties with other can make things more complicated, which is why I avoid putting up my Encounter Lairs for charity in the past (mixed royalties). The other option is to put your products straight onto the charity page which will be getting more traffic than normal (compared to big deals, I'm almost embarrassed about my Evil Summonings and the 3D furniture I have on there, because they are so cheap, I think it just looks like I'm just doing into for the advertising, I put them up there when I wanted to draw attention to the famine/crisis in Somalia a couple of years ago) Just my thoughts, I don't want to speak for Brave Adventures who has already had to work out all sorts of details, he just sounded more confident about hosting it than I. Hi @kiladrcus, it is technically possible to add products to the bundle after it launched but it causes some problems because the orders will not update for people who already purchased the bundle. Let's see, I think I know how we can make it work but it is a little complicated so I will message you instructions on FB. BilliamBabble Inked Adventures, sorry to make you wait! Can you send me some screenshots of the error you are getting? Were you able to purchase it yet? I was able to purchase it and I didn't experience any errors so I don't think it is a contributor issue. Ryan
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Post by Rhannon on May 3, 2015 5:41:16 GMT -9
it isn't a problem imho. This is not a purchase. it's a donation. Indeed donate needs nothing in return. The products that you guys offer only serve to entice people to donate. There have been many of these initiatives on RPGNow and products offered increased with time. If a person can get a little more it is OK but if he can't that person should be happy because it has helped, and he should not be sad because the great deal has changed and he has lost a few pieces. Imho.
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on May 3, 2015 6:03:56 GMT -9
I think Kiledacus and Brave Adventures are working their fiddly magic. Good points Rhannon. Brave Adventures - Purchasing: It's working now. In retrospect, the error was more to do with slow server and my fat fingers on an ipad I think. Managed to download a few items from the bundle. It's a behemoth of choice!
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Post by Rhannon on May 3, 2015 8:50:42 GMT -9
I was so happy because of this your initiative that probably I have created some problems to you because of my excessive enthusiasm. I apologize. I wrote to my friends, my contacts ( from the years that I follow this hobby they are ... many ) to ask them to support this project as they could, without obligation. With their products ( commercial or free ), donating money by buying the bundle, releasing this news on their groups ( all Italian SW groups have posted the link to the bundle, but also others ) or personal pages ... I have given this topic as a reference ( but also e-mail address of someone you. I'm sorry ). Now some of them ( as has also happened to Dave ) says that read here but now the opportunity to participate is closed. Do you think it's possible to do something? ( as I have said before several charity-bundle on RPGNow added products during their lifetime. Not a problem if the first, the most generous, do not take the new products. Although maybe you can find a manual solution, at the end of the period ). Alternatively I think that after 16 May money for MsF are still needed ( it would be too nice to think that everything will be solved. Unfortunately we're still in full emergence, for months ). So you could repeat this bundle with all the products of producers that have been added in the meantime ( possibly increasing the money offer ).
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Post by gilius on May 3, 2015 9:34:16 GMT -9
Just picked up (purchased/donated, I will leave the semantics to others) this. Thank you for your initiative and generosity!
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Post by squirmydad on May 3, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -9
I posted Ryan's flyer and the info to both of my blogs, my FB wall and the Mayhem in Paper FB wall. Go, bundle, go!
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 3, 2015 10:55:30 GMT -9
I was so happy because of this your initiative that probably I have created some problems to you because of my excessive enthusiasm. I apologize. I wrote to my friends, my contacts ( from the years that I follow this hobby they are ... many ) to ask them to support this project as they could, without obligation. With their products ( commercial or free ), donating money by buying the bundle, releasing this news on their groups ( all Italian SW groups have posted the link to the bundle, but also others ) or personal pages ... I have given this topic as a reference ( but also e-mail address of someone you. I'm sorry ). Now some of them ( as has also happened to Dave ) says that read here but now the opportunity to participate is closed. Do you think it's possible to do something? ( as I have said before several charity-bundle on RPGNow added products during their lifetime. Not a problem if the first, the most generous, do not take the new products. Although maybe you can find a manual solution, at the end of the period ). Alternatively I think that after 16 May money for MsF are still needed ( it would be too nice to think that everything will be solved. Unfortunately we're still in full emergence, for months ). So you could repeat this bundle with all the products of producers that have been added in the meantime ( possibly increasing the money offer ). Hi Rhannon, thank you again for your amazing support of the bundle! It is 5am in my time zone and I am just feeding my baby, but tomorrow morning I will get back to working on the bundle. I will try to accommodate any publisher who wants to add a product to the bundle. I think I have figured out a good way to do it. It is just a little more complicated, but I think the cause is worth it so I will try my best to make it work. Take care, Ryan
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on May 3, 2015 14:26:43 GMT -9
Random idea coming up. Since the bundle ends on May 15th. How about we/you/someone/everyone run another bundle from then on (it could be hosted by someone else from CW community as well I guess) with totally different products and incorperating other publishers? In any pre-launch info, we stress that the new bundle is very different and that the cause is ongoing, but again the bundle only lasts only two weeks. This will naturally lead to panic donating, crashing the servers with good will! I'm beginning to understand some of Mesper's out of the box thinking with tiers and the like, although I think that having levels of donations might be confusing for people (especially people like me who still need kickstarters explaining to them!)
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Post by Rhannon on May 3, 2015 23:07:09 GMT -9
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 4, 2015 4:32:05 GMT -9
Thank you for the head's up Rhannon! Taran's e-mail went to my spam folder, so I almost missed it! I just emailed Taran instructions though for how to add a product. I'll contact Mr. Blackmon next. Ryan
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Post by squirmydad on May 4, 2015 12:55:37 GMT -9
I would be happy to participate in a second charity bundle.
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Post by Rhannon on May 5, 2015 1:22:43 GMT -9
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Post by Brave Adventures on May 5, 2015 3:25:34 GMT -9
Thank you Rhannon, I just sent Ivan a reply with instructions for how to add products to the bundle. squirmydad and BilliamBabble Inked Adventures, I personally think running charity bundles would be more effective if it was done less frequently. I think if it is a special event then people will be more likely to participate, but if it happens all the time, it might dilute the appeal. I also worry that running too many massive bundles like this might devalue the contributors' work. For those reasons, I think maybe just once or twice a year for 2 weeks at a time might be best. What do you think? Maybe we could create a new annual event like the Papercuts? The Cardboard Warriors Annual Charity Fundraiser? Ryan
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